Dusty Bad Managerial Moves Thread

[UMFan83]

Out of curiosity, how did Remlinger pitch that badly today? I didn't watch the game because it was on CSN+ but.....he gave up a double, got a ground ball for an out and then struck out someone. Sure he failed to cover first, but so did half the team.

 

I do think overall Remlinger is terrible, but he didn't do terrible against the 3 hitters he pitched to today.

[USSoccer]

WTF! Why would Dusty bring in Remlinger? Everyone in Chicago knows how absolutely pathetic he's been except Dusty the all knowing idiot who somehow is a manager for the Chicago Cubs. We are not going anywhere with him as our manager.

 

I posted this in the game thread. Food for thought.

 

Definetly a bad move, but the fact of the matter is that Wuertz had pretty much worked himself out of the jam, had strike 3 been called and Barrett not dropped strike 4.

 

A leadoff double to a fast guy isn't the end of the world. After that AB, Baker walked the next 2, and brought in the RHP to fact Burrell, which was the right move given the situation. Wuertz stuck him out twice, and the game might still be on were it not for a physical error and a mental meltdown from our catcher.

 

It's hard to fault Dusty with the way this game ended. Of the pen guys who were left, Wuertz has control issues at times and isn't great against LH's, Mitre isn't a reliever, and Dempster was unavailable. That left Rem, unfortunatly. Hopefully come Friday this won't be an issue anymore.

[Brian]

Well gave up the lead-off double in the 9th, and watched Derrek Lee try to hurt himself (more) in 1/3 of innings work. He's got nothing left + Dusty refuses to use him properly. He needs to be DFA'd.

[hawkeyecub]

Why not? Maybe a Cubs exec will stumble upon the forum and see the quantity of Dusty hate

 

Yes, that's very likely to happen. Even more likely is that they'll decide to fire Dusty because of what some fans on a message board say.

 

I'm just saying that I thought we had the game threads board to discuss in game happenings. We had the rants board to rant about people and things. And we had the bad managerial moves thread to put things like this in there.

 

I just don't see the need to create multiple threads a night discussing the same thing over and over again.

[barryfoote]

There was one move (or lack of one) that mystified me in this game. In the ninth inning after the bases were loaded the outfield was not brought in. I was listening to the game on the radio, and Pat said something to the effect of "Let's put it this way, if the outfielders catch the ball where they are playing now the game is over" What possible rationale could you have to not bring in the outfielders in that situation? Maybe someone on this board can explain to me what the possible benefit of not bringing in the outfielders was, because I can't figure it out. Again I was listening on the radio so perhaps Pat and Ron were overstating the issue, but I tend to doubt that.

[SanJoseCubsFan]

There was one move (or lack of one) that mystified me in this game. In the ninth inning after the bases were loaded the outfield was not brought in. I was listening to the game on the radio, and Pat said something to the effect of "Let's put it this way, if the outfielders catch the ball where they are playing now the game is over" What possible rationale could you have to not bring in the outfielders in that situation? Maybe someone on this board can explain to me what the possible benefit of not bringing in the outfielders was, because I can't figure it out. Again I was listening on the radio so perhaps Pat and Ron were overstating the issue, but I tend to doubt that.

 

 

Brenley has commented on not bringing in your outfield too close in these situations. You need time to camp under the ball and get a strong throw off with you weight and momentum moving forward. If you are too close, and catch the ball moving backwards you have no momentum. Just a thought.

[barryfoote]

Brenley has commented on not bringing in your outfield too close in these situations. You need time to camp under the ball and get a strong throw off with you weight and momentum moving forward. If you are too close, and catch the ball moving backwards you have no momentum. Just a thought.

 

That would make some sense to me. You would figure that they would be shallower than normal because a medium-deep fly ball will score the run regardless of whether direction the player is moving, but they would need to be deep enough to get some momentum behind a throw that they could get Rollins on. My impression from the radio was that they weren't playing any shallower that normal and that seemed odd to me. The radio guys were pretty critical and I ran with that.

[soapy]

Brenley has commented on not bringing in your outfield too close in these situations. You need time to camp under the ball and get a strong throw off with you weight and momentum moving forward. If you are too close, and catch the ball moving backwards you have no momentum. Just a thought.

 

That would make some sense to me. You would figure that they would be shallower than normal because a medium-deep fly ball will score the run regardless of whether direction the player is moving, but they would need to be deep enough to get some momentum behind a throw that they could get Rollins on. My impression from the radio was that they weren't playing any shallower that normal and that seemed odd to me. The radio guys were pretty critical and I ran with that.

 

I have to disagree with Brenley. You still have to play your outfielders shallow enough to catch a "blooper". Any medium depth flyball was going to score Rollins regardless of which way the OFers momentum was taking him. They should have been playing in closer.

[LoneStarCubFan]

I'm still trying to figure out why he didn't send Rothschild out to settle Dempster down on Tuesday night.

[Mark Priors Calves]

I'm still trying to figure out why he didn't send Rothschild out to settle Dempster down on Tuesday night.

 

Rothschild did use a mound visit. IIRC, it was during the AB of the second guy he walked.

[LoneStarCubFan]

I'm still trying to figure out why he didn't send Rothschild out to settle Dempster down on Tuesday night.

 

Rothschild did use a mound visit. IIRC, it was during the AB of the second guy he walked.

 

Man, I don't remember seeing that on TV. Matter of fact, I thought Brenly commented on the fact nobody came out to talk to him.

 

I do remember Barrett going out to talk to him though.

[JC]

I'm still trying to figure out why he didn't send Rothschild out to settle Dempster down on Tuesday night.

 

Rothschild did use a mound visit. IIRC, it was during the AB of the second guy he walked.

 

Man, I don't remember seeing that on TV. Matter of fact, I thought Brenly commented on the fact nobody came out to talk to him.

 

I do remember Barrett going out to talk to him though.

 

I never saw Rothschild go out, but my attention was diverted early. I do remember seeing Dempster look toward the dugout and shake his head "no". I thought he may have been telling someone that he didn't need a visit.

[frostwyrm]

With Jerry Hairston Jr. out, Jose Macias is starting in center field and batting seventh for the second game in a row.

Well, we were trying to be optimistic. If Neifi Perez can't be in the lineup, Dusty Baker apparently has to play his clone. Macias is hitting .296 this season, but that still leaves him with just a 668 OPS. He's not a very good 25th man and he's certainly not someone a contender can have starting in center field for any length of time. Also, if he does absolutely, positively have to play, he should be hitting behind Michael Barrett.

 

I like the Rotoworld writers.

 

http://fantasybaseball.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&leaguenum=&id=6219

[10man]

We should probably think about moving this and all other Dusty threads to RIVALRIES since Dusty is doing a good job of helping Cubs opponents win so much.

[Larry Horse]

I just got home and checked MLB.com to see the box score of the Cub game.....and I see an outfield of Lawton......with MACIAS AND HOLLY?......AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!

[sethuel1]

I just got home and checked MLB.com to see the box score of the Cub game.....and I see an outfield of Lawton......with MACIAS AND HOLLY?......AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

Why are you surprised?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And with a seven man pen, Dusty uses the loogy to face the right-handed Larue to disasterous results.

[AR-Baseball-Fan]

What we have here is just 78 pages of "Dusty Being Dusty!!"

[sethuel1]

We'd have a lot more if people had really focused on documenting it all season - that's the really sad part.

[BigbadB]

We'd have a lot more if people had really focused on documenting it all season - that's the really sad part.

 

It would have been the longest NSBB thread in history. Most of us just gave up on it though.

[BadKermit]

And with a seven man pen, Dusty uses the loogy to face the right-handed Larue to disasterous results.

I was at the game, Vance, and I just about blew a gasket when he did that. I guess Dusty needed to save his 7-man pen in the 8th inning of a tie game. What a hopeless idiot.

[ToupeeOnFire]

I'm reviving this thread, because once again, Dusty leaves his pitcher in for far too long. Mark Prior was at a 122 pitches when he surrenders an infield hit to Rafeal Furcal (which inexplicably score 2 runs -- only the Cubs). Prior had battled his heart out, striking out the next two hitters after finding himself in a runners on the corners jam with nobody out. Alas, he couldn't get Furcal and the Braves took a 2-1 lead in the top of the 7th inning.

 

So of course it's time to take him out right? 122 pitches is a lot and there is no need to keep him out there.

 

No, not when your Dusty Baker. You leave him in there to throw another 10 pitches and watch him give up another run to put the game seemingly out of reach.

 

I am not one to legalistically harp on pitch-counts, but Dusty is clueless when it comes to taking out the starters. If he's not leaving in a pitcher to throw a huge number of pitches unnecessarily (except for Maddux), he usually waits one batter too late when taking them out of the game. Dusty never has the bullpen warming up in the latter innings "just in case" when the starter's pitch count is starting to pile up, it's always after the starter has created a jam for himself, or has given up the tying or go-ahead runs.

 

BTW, final line for Prior? 132 pitches in 6.2 IP.

 

If Prior finds himself on an operating table facing elbow surgery, I don't want to hear the excuses.

[thedaymen]

I'm reviving this thread, because once again, Dusty leaves his pitcher in for far too long. Mark Prior was at a 122 pitches when he surrenders an infield hit to Rafeal Furcal (which inexplicably score 2 runs -- only the Cubs). Prior had battled his heart out, striking out the next two hitters after finding himself in a runners on the corners jam with nobody out. Alas, he couldn't get Furcal and the Braves took a 2-1 lead in the top of the 7th inning.

 

So of course it's time to take him out right? 122 pitches is a lot and there is no need to keep him out there.

 

No, not when your Dusty Baker. You leave him in there to throw another 10 pitches and watch him give up another run to put the game seemingly out of reach.

 

I am not one to legalistically harp on pitch-counts, but Dusty is clueless when it comes to taking out the starters. If he's not leaving in a pitcher to throw a huge number of pitches unnecessarily (except for Maddux), he usually waits one batter too late when taking them out of the game. Dusty never has the bullpen warming up in the latter innings "just in case" when the starter's pitch count is starting to pile up, it's always after the starter has created a jam for himself, or has given up the tying or go-ahead runs.

 

BTW, final line for Prior? 132 pitches in 6.2 IP.

 

If Prior finds himself on an operating table facing elbow surgery, I don't want to hear the excuses.

 

I just made this point on another thread, so if people just want me to shut the heck up, let me know and I will.

 

This particular problem stems back to Dusty's, and perhaps the organizational, belief that the Cubs are right in the thick of a playoff race. Heck, this is a big game for the Cubs, so they need their ace to get these big outs. You wanna trust Novoa when the 2005 World Series hangs in the balance? Are you crazy?

 

The best thing that can happen to this team is the realization that they kind of stink so we might as well shut down Wood and ARAM, start Cedeno, Murton and Fontenot (or whoever at third) and use the last month to really evaluate what needs to be done this offseason.

[LoneStarCubFan]

The best thing that can happen to this team is the realization that they kind of stink so we might as well shut down Wood and ARAM, start Cedeno, Murton and Fontenot (or whoever at third) and use the last month to really evaluate what needs to be done this offseason.

 

Never.

 

Gonna.

 

Happen.

[goonys evil twin]

The best thing that can happen to this team is the realization that they kind of stink so we might as well shut down Wood and ARAM, start Cedeno, Murton and Fontenot (or whoever at third) and use the last month to really evaluate what needs to be done this offseason.

 

The best thing that could happen is that Andy calls Jim into his office, says that Dusty has to go and that changes need to be made. Then Jim can fire Dusty, some veterans with no future on this team can be dealt for potential pieces of the puzzle. Then the above scenario would take place.

 

But they should at least do what you laid out, ASAP.