Sisco is already pitching for the Royals.

[SouthSideRyan]

I've seen it in some places and not others, and I seem to remember mlpeel saying something conclusive about it (which I can't find), but does this major league experience start Sisco's clock to where he has to stick in the major leagues in three years?

 

 

It starts his option clock meaning he'd have to clear waivers in 3 years if he was sent down. What remains unclear is whether the Cubs are required to add him to their 40 man roster if/when he returns or whether they can wait until next winter to do that.

 

He most definitely does not have to be added to the 40 man. When he would get returned the Cubs, he wouldn't be using an option cause he'd be assigned to a minor league team, not optioned. The way I understand it, you only use an option when being sent down the minors from the 40 man. Since Sisco would never have been sent to the minors off the 40 man, no option would be used.

[Deeg]

Any debate on this topic comes down to a simple point for me. Whatever else you think about leaving Sisco unprotected, any argument in favor falls apart when presented with the guys they chose to protect instead. Even if Sisco never pitches another inning in the majors it was still a dumb move, given the facts as they stood at the time.

[SouthSideRyan]

Any debate on this topic comes down to a simple point for me. Whatever else you think about leaving Sisco unprotected, any argument in favor falls apart when presented with the guys they chose to protect instead. Even if Sisco never pitches another inning in the majors it was still a dumb move, given the facts as they stood at the time.

 

That's not what the debate comes down to though, because of options. because Sisco has some maturity problems, almost everyone will agree with that. To expect him to not mature as a pitcher and be ready to be a contributor in 3 years isn't that far-fetched.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And while they were likely worse prospects on the 40-man than Sisco, it is not very easy to remove someone from the 40-man. While a rule v pick must stay with a team's 25 man active roster for an entire season, if you tried to remove someone from the 40 man, they could be claimed by another team with room on the 40 man and be sent right to the minors. This likely contributed to the decision to keep certain players on the roster and to not roster Sisco.

[Deeg]

Where exactly is the downside to someone like Koronka (and he's just one example) being claimed by another team - unlikely as that would have been?

[TruffleShuffle]

Dave Crouthers

Russ Rohlicek

John Koronka

Carlos Vasquez

Stephen Randolph (since realeased)

 

All are or were on the 40 man roster. None of them have the potential that Sisco had, and none of them should have been on the 40 man roster ahead of Sisco. The Cubs already have Ohman at AAA, and Bartosh, Remmy and Rusch with the big club. What do they need 3 mediocre lefties (all but Crouthers) for in AAA or AA?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Dave Crouthers

Russ Rohlicek

John Koronka

Carlos Vasquez

Stephen Randolph (since realeased)

 

All are or were on the 40 man roster. None of them have the potential that Sisco had, and none of them should have been on the 40 man roster ahead of Sisco. The Cubs already have Ohman at AAA, and Bartosh, Remmy and Rusch with the big club. What do they need 3 mediocre lefties (all but Crouthers) for in AAA or AA?

 

The Cubs acquired Randolph after the rosters were set and the Rule 5 draft took place.

[TruffleShuffle]

Dave Crouthers

Russ Rohlicek

John Koronka

Carlos Vasquez

Stephen Randolph (since realeased)

 

All are or were on the 40 man roster. None of them have the potential that Sisco had, and none of them should have been on the 40 man roster ahead of Sisco. The Cubs already have Ohman at AAA, and Bartosh, Remmy and Rusch with the big club. What do they need 3 mediocre lefties (all but Crouthers) for in AAA or AA?

 

The Cubs acquired Randolph after the rosters were set and the Rule 5 draft took place.

 

Yes, but didn't they leave a spot open on the 40 man roster for a lefty to be acquired? (which turned out to be Randolph)

[sweetpeteman]

Sisco pitched three innings today, gave up one hit, walked one and struck out 4. His ERA is now 2.35...

[Wheelimus]

Have to say, if we want to get anything out of him, we better be pulling the string and offering to take a prospect back for the right to send him down if he struggles....

[moorecg]

Heck...at this rate it might be worth a decent prospect to get him back. I can think of at least one team on the North Side of Chicago that could use a long relief guy with an ERA in the 2s...

[JC]

Sisco pitched three innings today, gave up one hit, walked one and struck out 4. His ERA is now 2.35...

 

:| :( #-o

[ZZ Thorn]

Sisco pitched three innings today, gave up one hit, walked one and struck out 4. His ERA is now 2.35...

 

:| :( #-o

 

Dis is a revoltin devlopment.

[minnesotacubsfan]

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050414&content_id=1015565&vkey=news_kc&fext=.jsp&c_id=kc

 

 

Sisco 3.0 1 0 0 1 4 0 2.35

[Geech]

We just had an update about that in this thread.

[Jon]

Man. Are the Royals going to suck all year? Having him pitch two to three innings every fourth day or so in a blow out isn't fair.

[Coach C]

Man. Are the Royals going to suck all year? Having him pitch two to three innings every fourth day or so in a blow out isn't fair.

 

Trust me, the Royals are going to suck badly this year. Even some Royals fans are asking to see if they were mathetically elminated from the playoffs already.

[JC]

Ha! The one hit Sisco did give up was to Ichiro. The kid has to be building confidence.

[PackLandVA]

The only way Sisco comes back to the Cubs is if we trade for him. Ain't happening, he's gonna stick!

[JC]

The only way Sisco comes back to the Cubs is if we trade for him. Ain't happening, he's gonna stick!

 

I think he has probably shown enough, even at this early stage, to stick with KC even if he sucks the rest of the way. After he has the requisite time in, they can DL him if they choose. He already has a substantial chunk eaten away toward that time.

 

Unfortunately, I think he is pretty much gone. The KC talent evaluators deserve credit.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The only way Sisco comes back to the Cubs is if we trade for him. Ain't happening, he's gonna stick!

 

I think he has probably shown enough, even at this early stage, to stick with KC even if he sucks the rest of the way. After he has the requisite time in, they can DL him if they choose. He already has a substantial chunk eaten away toward that time.

 

Unfortunately, I think he is pretty much gone. The KC talent evaluators deserve credit.

 

At this point and time, I'm guessing it's going to take something drastic for him to come back, and it would be something that would probably excite us far less when he returns.

 

I don't know how much credit KC talent evaluators should get - everyone knew he'd be one of the top picks in the draft, if KC already knew his fastball was back and he was back in shape, good for them. Even if they didn't, it was a good selection and gamble.

 

EDIT: That's not to say he won't struggle like his major league debut (he will), but as JC said, he's shown enough and KC obviously likes him enough to stick with him.

[JC]

 

I don't know how much credit KC talent evaluators should get - everyone knew he'd be one of the top picks in the draft, if KC already knew his fastball was back and he was back in shape, good for them. Even if they didn't, it was a good selection and gamble.

 

I know what you are saying here. Every Rule V selection is a gamble in a sense. But, I'd still give KC some credit.

[WindyCity]

Two more shutout innings today for Sisco. His ERA is now down to 1.86. Thanks Hendry. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[jaydee]

its 10 games into the season and you think it a shoe in that he will stick? .......

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Does anyone think Sisco would be pitching this well if he were still with the organization?