Sisco is already pitching for the Royals.

[Tim]

Does anyone think Sisco would be pitching this well if he were still with the organization?

Probably not.

[biittner77]

Something else to keep in mind. Even if he does stick he's pitching for the Royals. From a Cubs perspective that's almost as good as him pitching in Japan or an independent league or being out of baseball completely.

 

Mike Wuertz, you'll remembered was unhittable for the first week and a half of last season. Then the wheels came off the cart. If the Royals can make it through the rotation without getting blown out once or twice it will be interesting to see if they're willing to use him in a meaningful game.

 

Finally, there can't be much of a scouting report on Sisco yet. Once there is we'll see what kind of adjustment he makes. Admittedly, it doesn't look like such a good move now (ok, so it never looked like a good move) but Sisco still has a long way to go before we can really count him as gone for nothing. I still believe Hendry doesn't want him back and will work out a deal with KC. That might be best for everyone involved.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Does anyone think Sisco would be pitching this well if he were still with the organization?

 

No, I'm guessing he'd still be unmotivated.

 

I still think he's going to struggle quite a bit as we progress this season, but even then, I think he's shown the Royals enough that they'll keep him.

[Cubzfan64]

JC - off topic just a little bit, but the photo's of the 4 ex-cub pitchers on the bottom of your sig I'm assuming are meant to be a reminder of "what could have been" or guys who should still be with the current Cubs.

 

I might consider taking Juan Cruz off that list if I were you - I thought he would be a good one as well, and especially when he went to the Braves, but they let him go as well and he is NOT doing well at all with Oakland.

 

Kyle is up to his old tricks in Detroit as well looking "lights out" for a few appearances and then getting bombed!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Kyle is up to his old tricks in Detroit as well looking "lights out" for a few appearances and then getting bombed!

 

He's been out with an injury since that game, so I suspect that might be part of the reason for the bad outing.

[Guest]

I might consider taking Juan Cruz off that list if I were you - I thought he would be a good one as well, and especially when he went to the Braves, but they let him go as well and he is NOT doing well at all with Oakland.

Atlanta let him go despite the fact he pitched very well for them last year. In fact, he was better than any reliever on the 2004 Cubs, save Hawkins.

 

And I really hope you aren't writing him off because of his first four innings of 2005.

[jjgman21]

I might consider taking Juan Cruz off that list if I were you - I thought he would be a good one as well, and especially when he went to the Braves, but they let him go as well and he is NOT doing well at all with Oakland.

Atlanta let him go despite the fact he pitched very well for them last year. In fact, he was better than any reliever on the 2004 Cubs, save Hawkins.

 

And I really hope you aren't writing him off because of his first four innings of 2005.

 

I loved Cruz and was pretty disappointed that the Cubs traded him. but looking at his stats from last year is pretty deceptive IMO. he had 50 appearances and a grand total of 2 holds and 13 inherited runners. he was used strictly in mop up duty.

 

Cruz was always known as a guy who loses his composure. perhaps the reason he excelled last year was because how rarely he was put into pressure situations.

[Cubzfan64]

I just feel that if the Braves organization didn't feel he was good enough to be on their staff (starter or relief), I have to think he's not as talented as I once thought.

 

As far as writing him off after 4 innings goes - hey, I'm a Cub fan, it's in my genes to over-react :-P.

 

Seriously, I always thought the Cubs organization really screwed him up by moving him all over the place - including up and down to the minors. I thought a change of scenery would be the ticket that would make him a very good starter but it doesn't seem like that was the case. I'm afraid that now he's fallen into the trap of being a "journeyman" pitcher and it will be hard for him to overcome the odds of putting together a good career.

[JC]

JC - off topic just a little bit, but the photo's of the 4 ex-cub pitchers on the bottom of your sig I'm assuming are meant to be a reminder of "what could have been" or guys who should still be with the current Cubs.

 

I might consider taking Juan Cruz off that list if I were you - I thought he would be a good one as well, and especially when he went to the Braves, but they let him go as well and he is NOT doing well at all with Oakland.

 

Kyle is up to his old tricks in Detroit as well looking "lights out" for a few appearances and then getting bombed!

 

Not so much of "what could have been", but they represent 4 decisions that I wouldn't have made. Willis isn't so much a reflection of his success, but rather that I never would have made a trade for Alf with Clement as a throw in.

 

Juan indeed is struggling right now, but I can't ignore the talent he has shown and, despite Lewis's success, I still don't like the trade that brought Andy Pratt to this organization, even if only for a short time.

[danonwaveland]

Bob's Keeper,

 

"Atlanta let him go despite the fact he pitched very well for them last year. In fact, he was better than any reliever on the 2004 Cubs, save Hawkins. "

 

I like your choice of words. :lol: Although he's saved two games in the last couple days, I'm still nervous when Hawk comes in with less than a three-run lead.

[WindyCity]

I just feel that if the Braves organization didn't feel he was good enough to be on their staff (starter or relief), I have to think he's not as talented as I once thought.

 

Or they felt getting an established front line starter like Hudson was worth parting with Cruz -- particularly since they didn't really give up much to get Juan in the first place.

 

Also, the fact that Beane wanted Cruz leads me to believe he's probably not too bad.

[JC]

Despite my ardent support of Sisco, I'm willing to admit that he will likely not be this good for the balance of the season. Anyone who thinks Cruz's number likely won't improve is just kidding themselves.

[Tim]

Despite my ardent support of Sisco, I'm willing to admit that he will likely not be this good for the balance of the season. Anyone who thinks Cruz's number likely won't improve is just kidding themselves.

BTW - does anyone else have severe bullpen envy when looking at Oakland? What a set of arms.

[JC]

Despite my ardent support of Sisco, I'm willing to admit that he will likely not be this good for the balance of the season. Anyone who thinks Cruz's number likely won't improve is just kidding themselves.

BTW - does anyone else have severe bullpen envy when looking at Oakland? What a set of arms.

 

:wave:

 

I was thinking that the other day.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I just feel that if the Braves organization didn't feel he was good enough to be on their staff (starter or relief), I have to think he's not as talented as I once thought.

 

Like Jason Schmidt? :P

[JC]

I just feel that if the Braves organization didn't feel he was good enough to be on their staff (starter or relief), I have to think he's not as talented as I once thought.

 

Like Jason Schmidt? :P

 

I know you're mostly having fun, but I was surprised to see that Schmidt wasn't much of anything during his short time with the Braves. Plus, they got an awfully good pitcher (at the time) in Denny Neagle.

[jjgman21]

 

Also, the fact that Beane wanted Cruz leads me to believe he's probably not too bad.

 

further evidence that this forum needs a puke emoticon.

[JC]

 

Also, the fact that Beane wanted Cruz leads me to believe he's probably not too bad.

 

further evidence that this forum needs a puke emoticon.

 

Perhaps a review of existing emoticons would satisfy you.

 

:pukel:

:puker:

:puke:

[jjgman21]

 

Also, the fact that Beane wanted Cruz leads me to believe he's probably not too bad.

 

further evidence that this forum needs a puke emoticon.

 

Perhaps a review of existing emoticons would satisfy you.

 

:pukel:

:puker:

:puke:

 

 

the code shows up for me, but an actual emoticon does not. not sure why.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

Also, the fact that Beane wanted Cruz leads me to believe he's probably not too bad.

 

further evidence that this forum needs a puke emoticon.

 

Perhaps a review of existing emoticons would satisfy you.

 

:pukel:

:puker:

:puke:

 

 

the code shows up for me, but an actual emoticon does not. not sure why.

 

Those are premium smileys. It costs five bucks a month for them.

 

But you get so many cool ones: :wtg: :wave: :stickman: :bath: :ughug: :willynilly: :titanic: :muffy: :headz: :pals: :redx: :squee: :yernuts: :bum: :toothless: :player:

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Also, the fact that Beane wanted Cruz leads me to believe he's probably not too bad.

 

further evidence that this forum needs a puke emoticon.

 

Agreed on the want to puke.

[WindyCity]

 

Also, the fact that Beane wanted Cruz leads me to believe he's probably not too bad.

 

further evidence that this forum needs a puke emoticon.

 

Agreed on the want to puke.

 

I take it I hit an anti-Beane nerve with you? My point was that Oakland could have received any number of deals for Hudson, but settled on a deal that included Cruz -- so he must have some apparent value.

 

Where exactly is the need to vomit in that?

[Prior4CyYoung]

 

Also, the fact that Beane wanted Cruz leads me to believe he's probably not too bad.

 

further evidence that this forum needs a puke emoticon.

 

Agreed on the want to puke.

 

I take it I hit an anti-Beane nerve with you? My point was that Oakland could have received any number of deals for Hudson, but settled on a deal that included Cruz -- so he must have some apparent value.

 

Where exactly is the need to vomit in that?

 

Im sure it had to do more with the fact that they got Meyer more so then that the deal included Cruz.

[WindyCity]

Im sure it had to do more with the fact that they got Meyer more so then that the deal included Cruz.

 

I agree, but that doesn't mean Cruz was just a throw-in.... I admit it -- I like the kid and always have. I think he was misused, but he also didn't take advantage of opportunities when they were given to him. He has a lot of talent, and I won't be surprised if he has a very successful career somewhere.

[SouthSideRyan]

How do you feel about Charles Thomas?