Chicago Bears preseason

[WrigleyField 22]

4 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Tank and spank is when you throw away a few years in order to be awesome for a few years, then go back to being bad again.  Alternating cycles of rebuilding and "all-in" instead of a steady, sustained success.

The rookie QB thing hasn't realy worked very often in the NFL.  Under the current rookie contract rules, the only wons to win a SB in their rookie deals have been Russell Wilson and Mahomes.

Well the current rookie contract rules haven't been around that long either. But if you look at like a Flacco, Roethlesberger, and Manning for example, they were under the old contract structure, but were still on their rookie deals on their first SB and were playing on big discounts. And a huge number of losing SB teams have had rookie contract QBs. 

Now the rookie QB thing has became immensely overstated. It's really a "QB on a discounted deal" thing we're most of Brady rings that is true, Stafford, and really almost every winning SB QB except Mahomes most recent rings.

But yea, a 3rd for Judon is a lot in isolation.  But in terms of sustainability, I also don't think you can call sustainability an approach where you never reach.  What most people want when they look at sustainability is a draft pick and salary cap hoarding approach where you're never uncomfortable. But that's just conservative nonsense not sustainability.  Poles first year was unquestionabily a tank, but the longer he goes on I'm actually optimistic he will have a sustainable approach that mixes aggressiveness and value in a symbiotic way that is sustainable and doesn't require cycles of re-tanking.

Edited August 21, 2024 by WrigleyField 22

[Tank]

On 8/19/2024 at 9:44 AM, Sammy Sofa said:

Well, they're 100000000000% doomed now:

That dude is 99th percentile in having a punchable face.

[Tank]

FWIW, the two QB prospects in 2018 who drew the most criticism from the "experts" were Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Some have the integrity to admit they were dead wrong, but others will spend their careers waiting for the "see I told you so" moment that will never come.

Edited August 21, 2024 by Tank

[gflore34]

Saw nothing about "negative body language" in the Hard Knocks footage of last Saturday' preseason game, guess some "scouts" just have to hate to hate.

[CubinNY]

Williams is so calm and collected. That strikes me as a separator. To have the poise he does is pretty special.

[CubinNY]

3 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

Williams is so calm and collected. That strikes me as a separator. To have the poise he does is pretty special.

Also, Bagnet's dad is clearly coked up

[gflore34]

12 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

Also, Bagnet's dad is clearly coked up

He's certainly the life of the party otherwise, the parents group would be pretty subdued.

[Old Style]

I can’t believe Bagent dropped $8K on tickets for a horsefeathers pre-season game. What a waste of money. 

[Brian707]

57 minutes ago, Old Style said:

I can’t believe Bagent dropped $8K on tickets for a horsefeathers pre-season game. What a waste of money. 

I can't believe the McCaskey's charge that much to a player for a preseason game. It seems each player only gets 2 allotted to them?

[jersey cubs fan]

Setting aside the silliness of saying the rookie qb thing only “works” if you happen to win a Super Bowl in that 4 year window, trading a third in a draft where you still have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds is not exactly setting yourself for doom and gloom down the road 

[Old Style]

1 hour ago, Brian707 said:

I can't believe the McCaskey's charge that much to a player for a preseason game. It seems each player only gets 2 allotted to them?

You’re surprised the McCaskey family is cheap? How many months have you been a Bears fan?

[jersey cubs fan]

How is it cheap for the owners to charge $ for tix to games? Players get comps. Really good players get suites in their contracts. Bagent knew he was going to play a lot in this game, so he went out and bought cheaper preseason tickets for a big group to come see him live. He’s not going to have that kind of guaranteed playing time in the regular season. 
 

Fun fact. I once went to a game in Tampa using Vince Tobin’s tickets, and sat behind Mongo McMichael’s wife at the time, who I think was a former Miss Illinois and professional wrestler 

[Brian707]

33 minutes ago, Old Style said:

You’re surprised the McCaskey family is cheap? How many months have you been a Bears fan?

I am sure the Ricketts, Reinsdorfs, and Wirtzs all pinch the same pennies

[Brian707]

17 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

 

Fun fact. I once went to a game in Tampa using Vince Tobin’s tickets, and sat behind Mongo McMichael’s wife at the time, who I think was a former Miss Illinois and professional wrestler 

Yeah I think that's true about his first wife. Wasn't she an 80's wrestling star? I was never into WWF though so could be wrong.

 

I drank with Mongo at a VFW during Cutler's first Bears preseason game

[jersey cubs fan]

26 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

Yeah I think that's true about his first wife. Wasn't she an 80's wrestling star? I was never into WWF though so could be wrong.

 

I drank with Mongo at a VFW during Cutler's first Bears preseason game

Looked it up abs apparently she debuted with him when he did WWF. My memory was she had some very big hair, but may have been wearing a cowboy hat at the game 

[minnesotacubsfan]

59 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

....... My memory was she had some very big hair,............

..in other news that should surprise no one

[WrigleyField 22]

2 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

How is it cheap for the owners to charge $ for tix to games? Players get comps. Really good players get suites in their contracts. Bagent knew he was going to play a lot in this game, so he went out and bought cheaper preseason tickets for a big group to come see him live. He’s not going to have that kind of guaranteed playing time in the regular season. 
 

Fun fact. I once went to a game in Tampa using Vince Tobin’s tickets, and sat behind Mongo McMichael’s wife at the time, who I think was a former Miss Illinois and professional wrestler 

I just hope Bagent is socking away at least 5x that every time he drops $8k like that.  That's an expensive habit to (potentially) build for a guy who may never get a second contract and is making minimum.

[jersey cubs fan]

9 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

I just hope Bagent is socking away at least 5x that every time he drops $8k like that.  That's an expensive habit to (potentially) build for a guy who may never get a second contract and is making minimum.

I assume this was the first time he did it, and will probably be the last unless he signs a second contract. He’s basically locked into an NFL backup QB job, which typically means you will have a gig for a half decade or more. 

And his dad has over the top money

he’ll be fine. 

[Old Style]

2 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

How is it cheap for the owners to charge $ for tix to games? Players get comps. Really good players get suites in their contracts. Bagent knew he was going to play a lot in this game, so he went out and bought cheaper preseason tickets for a big group to come see him live. He’s not going to have that kind of guaranteed playing time in the regular season. 
 

Fun fact. I once went to a game in Tampa using Vince Tobin’s tickets, and sat behind Mongo McMichael’s wife at the time, who I think was a former Miss Illinois and professional wrestler 

$8K in tickets to a preseason game for a low salary backup is a lot of money. The McCaskey’s could afford more comps especially to preseason games. 

[WrigleyField 22]

1 minute ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I assume this was the first time he did it, and will probably be the last unless he signs a second contract. He’s basically locked into an NFL backup QB job, which typically means you will have a gig for a half decade or more. 

And his dad has over the top money

he’ll be fine. 

I didn't even catch it fully. Was that for the preseason game? When he first said it I thought it was maybe for one of his starts last year which would be a much bigger deal.

[mul21]

He made $750K last year and is slated to make $795K this year.  That doesn't excuse the owners making him pay that much, but it's not like he can't afford it.

[WrigleyField 22]

7 minutes ago, mul21 said:

He made $750K last year and is slated to make $795K this year.  That doesn't excuse the owners making him pay that much, but it's not like he can't afford it.

What is he supposed to pay for 80 tickets?  Do 4,000 tickets just get reserved so every player can invite 80 friends each game?

 

(obviously exaggerating, but whatever the number is if he's not taking it from the owners he's probably taking it from teammates)

[SpongeWorthy]

you let it leak publicly so caleb picks up the tab 

[Tryptamine]

2 hours ago, mul21 said:

He made $750K last year and is slated to make $795K this year.  That doesn't excuse the owners making him pay that much, but it's not like he can't afford it.

Remember between taxes, union dues, agents, dietitians,  personal trainers,  etc. He's likely only taking maybe 325k home and yeah that's a lot, but it's very temporary. Once the NFL career is over, he's just joe schmoe who has no work experience that isn't football.

Edited August 21, 2024 by Tryptamine

[Bertz]