Brewers (Zastryzny) vs Cubs (Steele): 7/24/24, 1:20pm

[Cuzi]

8 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

5.5 days until the trade deadline. Anytime now Jed.

Outside of a team falling in love with the possibility of Morel being an answer at 2B, I dont think we'll be doing much. There's not much to do beyond dump Bellinger for literally anything and trade a couple relievers.

The Taillon rumors dont make sense to me, because no matter how many teams are interested, the return probably isn't worth trading him. It's like Darvish all over again on a lesser level. His current and future value doesn't outweigh his contract, so what are you going to get? More CPX prospects? I'll finish packing Jeds bags, since they are already half packed.

[Stratos]

20 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Outside of a team falling in love with the possibility of Morel being an answer at 2B, I dont think we'll be doing much. There's not much to do beyond dump Bellinger for literally anything and trade a couple relievers.

The Taillon rumors dont make sense to me, because no matter how many teams are interested, the return probably isn't worth trading him. It's like Darvish all over again on a lesser level. His current and future value doesn't outweigh his contract, so what are you going to get? More CPX prospects? I'll finish packing Jeds bags, since they are already half packed.

We got Ben Brown for David Robertson, a reliever pending FA.  It's very possible Taillon could bring something of value.  He's replaceable in FA.

[Cuzi]

7 minutes ago, Stratos said:

We got Ben Brown for David Robertson, a reliever pending FA.  It's very possible Taillon could bring something of value.  He's replaceable in FA.

Robertson was arguably the best reliever on the market and he didn't have $42M left to be paid.

Taillon isn't the best option on the market. He's the cheap option with a pretty big asterisk attached.

Edited July 25, 2024 by Cuzi

[Tryptamine]

19 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Robertson was arguably the best reliever on the market and he didn't have $42M left to be paid.

Taillon isn't the best option on the market. He's the cheap option with a pretty big asterisk attached.

I still think he could get a pretty decent return, especially since I believe the Cubs would be willing to eat the remaining 2024 salary. With that said, unless someone is offering you a near MLB ready 45 guy with helium or a 50 guy, even if you have to attach a prospect to him, I'm not interested in moving him. I do believe he's replaceable by a guy like Kikuchi, but why take the risk of not being able to land him in FA for some throw away prospect that lands in the back end of your top 20?

[Bertz]

I've come around a bit in Taillon not bringing anything back.  A big part of that is the Dodgers, Mets, and Astros all being pretty desperate for SP.  A month ago the teams that looked like they were in contention and could use SP help were teams like the Orioles where the money felt pretty prohibitive.  Not as much anymore, not to mention we're now another month into Taillon’s hot streak.  I still don't expect anything more than league average production beyond this year but what he's doing right now feels a bit less fleeting.

 

[Stratos]

18 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Robertson was arguably the best reliever on the market and he didn't have $42M left to be paid.

Taillon isn't the best option on the market. He's the cheap option with a pretty big asterisk attached.

I don't think Taillon's remaining contract is a detriment to his trade value.

[Stratos]

Yelich could require back surgery, could be season-ending back issues.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/brewers-place-christian-yelich-on-injured-list.html

[Cuzi]

9 minutes ago, Stratos said:

I don't think Taillon's remaining contract is a detriment to his trade value.

One of the main points to trading Taillon is to get out of his contract. How is his money not a detriment to his value?

I would rather trade Assad because like Taillon, he's hot. He's got 235 innings of pitching under his belt with a 3.09 ERA. He's pre-arbitration so the controlled years are cheap. If you wanted to make a more significant move to better this team, it's with a guy like him. He's just as replaceable as Taillon, but worth more due to the cheap years of control vs moderately expensive years.

Edited July 25, 2024 by Cuzi

[LBiittner]

Most are saying "replace taillon with a free agent" solution in order to get out of his $.

My question: who the hell are the free agent starters? And who is going to be cheaper than $18 per?

And quite frankly I'm not interested in trading him for somebody 3 years away down the road.

[Bertz]

3 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

Most are saying "replace taillon with a free agent" solution in order to get out of his $.

My question: who the hell are the free agent starters? And who is going to be cheaper than $18 per?

And quite frankly I'm not interested in trading him for somebody 3 years away down the road.

Why are we concerned with him being cheaper?  If he's more expensive but also better is that not a viable path to improving the team?

[Rcal10]

3 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

Most are saying "replace taillon with a free agent" solution in order to get out of his $.

My question: who the hell are the free agent starters? And who is going to be cheaper than $18 per?

And quite frankly I'm not interested in trading him for somebody 3 years away down the road.

Well said. Agree completely. I just don’t see the Cubs getting anyone as good as he is for the same money. I don’t understand why he is being considered as trade bait unless they get a deal they can’t refuse. And I doubt that happens. 

[Derwood]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

5.5 days until the trade deadline. Anytime now Jed.

He's waiting the market out.

You know, so that other teams make trades first so there are no buyers left

[Rob]

9 minutes ago, Derwood said:

He's waiting the market out.

You know, so that other teams make trades first so there are no buyers left

Teams are knocking down Jed's door trying to get whom, exactly?

The simple fact of the matter is that the guys we have that might be on the market are, by virtue of either their production or their contracts, fallback options. Nobody in the league is pining for Cody Bellinger or Jameson Taillon at the deadline.

Other teams aren't pulling the trigger on Plan C until they know whether Plan A or Plan B might pan out.

The only possible exceptions to this are Justin Steele and Nico Hoerner. Steele isn't getting traded unless there's a massive overpay, and that's more likely to happen closer to the deadline. Hoerner is in a similar boat, in that we want him here next year.

Of all the valid criticisms about Jed, I don't think the timing of his moves around the trade deadline this year qualifies.

[chibears55]

18 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

Agreed. They need a catcher and a middle of the line up bat. They do not need a total revamping. 

I dont disagree but that also need to include counting on the others to have a bounce back season.

 

 

[chibears55]

16 hours ago, mfcubs22 said:

Not necessarily better, but Busch, Happ, and Seiya have been more plenty good enough. Dansby has his lowest wRC+ since 2018. The last 2 times he had a wRC <100, he responded the following season with wRCs of 115 and 116. So he’s a decent bounce back candidate. And regardless, youre stuck with him. You need to get more out of 3B, C, and CF either through internal improvements or external trades (assuming Soto isn’t happening). I don’t like spending on bullpens, but a reliable closer would help a lot as well as I don’t see this offense improving THAT much. 

Right, they need to add and get better offensive production out of Catcher, 3B, CF, and DH for that matter, plus they're gonna need  guys like Swanson, and Hoerner to really bounce back and then get a little more out of Busch, Happ, and Bellinger.

So, I've said before that theyre not far off but they will need to also hope the guys that are a big part of this roster will be more productive next season. 

[Cuzi]

Nico Hoerner is right at his career average. What is he bouncing back from?

Swanson and Bellinger are the only 2 that "need" a bounce back, and including Bellinger in that is a stretch because what is he bouncing back to?

[Tryptamine]

Well the White Sox are probably really pissed right now. Garret Crochet may have just tanked the likelihood of him being traded. He says he wants to keep pitching as a starter the rest of the year and will not pitch as a reliever, will not skip starts and, if he's traded, he wants a contract extension if he's being asked to pitch into October.

[chibears55]

6 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Well the White Sox are probably really pissed right now. Garret Crochet may have just tanked the likelihood of him being traded. He says he wants to keep pitching as a starter the rest of the year and will not pitch as a reliever, will not skip starts and, if he's traded, he wants a contract extension if he's being asked to pitch into October.

Wow, that big talk for a guy in his what 2nd full season and first as a starter...

I'd trade his ass to Oakland after that..lol

[Irrelevant Dude]

I can understand him saying he doesn't want to pitch out of the bullpen, but how exactly is he going to enforce the not skipping starts part? 

"What's this?  The White Sox have two pitchers on the mound, with both guys refusing to leave!"

[Tryptamine]

13 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I can understand him saying he doesn't want to pitch out of the bullpen, but how exactly is he going to enforce the not skipping starts part? 

"What's this?  The White Sox have two pitchers on the mound, with both guys refusing to leave!"

I'm sure there are teams out there who might be OK with him staying in the rotation all year. The big issue is not that he wants to stay in the rotation all year, but that not only do you have to give up a huge package to trade for him, he then wants a contract extension if you want him to pitch in the playoffs. What team is going to part with that type of trade package for the right to give a huge contract extension to a guy who has never thrown a full season at the MLB level?

Edited July 25, 2024 by Tryptamine

[Andy]

13 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I can understand him saying he doesn't want to pitch out of the bullpen, but how exactly is he going to enforce the not skipping starts part? 

"What's this?  The White Sox have two pitchers on the mound, with both guys refusing to leave!"

The last time a White Sox pitcher had a grievance, he sliced up uniforms in the clubhouse. Crochet could just sabotage the jersey of the guy they want to start instead.

[LBiittner]

1 hour ago, Bertz said:

Why are we concerned with him being cheaper?  If he's more expensive but also better is that not a viable path to improving the team?

Sign me up! I'm on board! Now give me some horsefeathers names that Jeb should be in on? 3 minimum please lol.

[Banedon]

 

 

[KCCub]

13 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

Sign me up! I'm on board! Now give me some horsefeathers names that Jeb should be in on? 3 minimum please lol.

Sasaki, Burnes, Flaherty.

[Tryptamine]

9 minutes ago, KCCub said:

Sasaki, Burnes, Flaherty.

I don't know about the last month or so, but I had read something that Roki had been pulled earlier from back to back starts with unidentified arm issues.