Brewers (Rea) vs Cubs (Taillon): 7/23/24, 7:05pm

[mfcubs22]

3 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

It wouldn't be hard to fit him in. Pick your spot, LF or RF. Trade Morel. Suzuki becomes the DH.

Nico 2b

Soto RF

Suzuki DH

Busch 1B

Happ LF

Dansby SS

3B

C

PCA

That’s a solid top 5. 

[chibears55]

14 minutes ago, Derwood said:

I'm starting to think Counsell isn't the answer

His players are failing him, all he can do is write out a lineup and use the guys he has, it's up to them to execute. 

[chibears55]

18 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

PCA is just so overmatched right now. I’m sure TT will have some logical explanation but not sure why Amaya was PH for instead of PCA

As of now, PCA should be starting 2025 in Iowa.

 

[LBiittner]

14 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

It wouldn't be hard to fit him in. Pick your spot, LF or RF. Trade Morel. Suzuki becomes the DH.

True question: how much to sign soto in your opinion?

[Cuzi]

2 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

True question: how much to sign soto in your opinion?

Like 14/560.

[Irrelevant Dude]

2 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Like 14/560.

Done.

[chibears55]

5 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Taillon has been a top 30ish pitcher in MLB for a year now? Why are you so damn eager to just dump that for any ol' thing? What exactly do you envision is a better use of resources?

If they're actually gonna get players this offseason to compete in 2025, then yes by all means keep Taillon, but my gut tells me that not going to be the case.

So,  why hold onto a 33 yo with 2 years left on his contract ? If they can get a decent return for him then make the deal.

If rumors are true,  there are several teams interested,  so they could get a decent return for him and likely free up 36 mil over 2 seasons. 

 

[mfcubs22]

1 minute ago, Cuzi said:

Like 14/560.

Sign me up! 

[Cuzi]

2 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

If they're actually gonna get players this offseason to compete in 2025, then yes by all means keep Taillon, but my gut tells me that not going to be the case.

Jed has literally said that he is focused on 2025. 2025 is his last year under contract. He's either going to get fired after the season, or he's got 1 more year to prove he's the guy for the job.

I have a feeling you've ingested some spoiled goods if your gut is telling you they aren't going to try and compete in 2025.

Edited July 24, 2024 by Cuzi

[mfcubs22]

1 minute ago, chibears55 said:

If they're actually gonna get players this offseason to compete in 2025, then yes by all means keep Taillon, but my gut tells me that not going to be the case.

So,  why hold onto a 33 yo with 2 years left on his contract ? If they can get a decent return for him then make the deal.

If rumors are true,  there are several teams interested,  so they could get a decent return for him and likely free up 36 mil over 2 seasons. 

 

I definitely think this offseason is when Jed cashes in his prospect chips. I understand his hesitation last offseason. There was a lot of uncertainty around Morel, PCA, Busch, development of Shaw/Caissie/Alcantara. I think he has more data that will help him be more decisive in improving the offense for next season. 

[chibears55]

10 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

True question: how much to sign soto in your opinion?

He only 25, so the years or opt outs could depend on if he wants another crack at Free Agency at age 29 or 30. But I think he'd want at least 35 per

[mfcubs22]

2 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

He only 25, so the years or opt outs could depend on if he wants another crack at Free Agency at age 29 or 30. But I think he'd want at least 35 per

Starts at 40+

[Cuzi]

4 minutes ago, mfcubs22 said:

Starts at 40+

And through age 40.

He's not going to get an opt out.

I doubt Jed cares about the $40M number. He probably cares more about the age 40. I would bet Jed would try to reduce the years and increase the AAV for some stupid reason, as if he'll be around to see Soto at 40 years old in a Cubs uniform.

Edited July 24, 2024 by Cuzi

[gflore34]

Was at the game today, endured the rain delay for that dud, Nevertheless, we had good seats, guess, I can take consolation in the fact that Rea and the Brewers will get obliterated in the playoffs.  Can football start already?

Edited July 24, 2024 by gflore34

[chibears55]

6 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Jed has literally said that he is focused on 2025. 2025 is his last year under contract. He's either going to get fired after the season, or he's got 1 more year to prove he's the guy for the job.

I have a feeling you've ingested some spoiled goods if your gut is telling you they aren't going to try and compete in 2025.

Weren't they supposed to be competing this year ?

he's not looking to add rental players this deadline,  he's looking to add guys that can be a part of the team in 2025 and beyond..  that likely means trading for prospects that are ready or near ready, or for younger major league players under team  control.

If he didn't get the green light from Rickett to splurge and go over the Threshold this last offseason,  I doubt he'll get to do it in his final contract year.

 

[Irrelevant Dude]

7 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

I doubt Jed cares about the $40M number. He probably cares more about the age 40.

I doubt Jed cares much about the age 40 thing either.  Jed will almost certainly be long gone by that time.  The problem is that the guy who has to sign off on the deal WILL care about it.

[Cuzi]

1 minute ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I doubt Jed cares much about the age 40 thing either.  Jed will almost certainly be long gone by that time.  The problem is that the guy who has to sign off on the deal WILL care about it.

He would likely be long gone before any of the 10 year deals he avoided in recent years because he wanted to get them at 7. It's a Jed thing.

[Irrelevant Dude]

1 minute ago, Cuzi said:

He would likely be long gone before any of the 10 year deals he avoided in recent years because he wanted to get them at 7. It's a Jed thing.

That's a fair point, but how much of that is Jed and how much of it is Tom's influence on Jed?  It is most likely both.

[Cuzi]

4 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

That's a fair point, but how much of that is Jed and how much of it is Tom's influence on Jed?  It is most likely both.

From a business standpoint, you don't really benefit from increasing the upfront cost, which is what Jed was trying to do. I can't imagine Tom was influencing those decisions. Jed is just the smartest man in the room. He's going to build the team his way, no matter what the market says. Well, his time is up when it comes to beating the market. He's under performing the market and something has to give.

Edited July 24, 2024 by Cuzi

[Chicago Al]

25 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

He only 25, so the years or opt outs could depend on if he wants another crack at Free Agency at age 29 or 30. But I think he'd want at least 35 per

He’s more than likely getting at least 50 mil per year or damn near close to it.

[Cuzi]

17 minutes ago, Chicago Al said:

He’s more than likely getting at least 50 mil per year or damn near close to it.

Doubt it. No player has come close to that number. Because of the deferred money in Ohtani's contract, the true value of his deal is roughly $460M. So for tax purposes, the Dodgers are only getting hit for $46M a year, not $70M.

Juan Soto aint Ohtani. He's great, but not that great. Ohtani is every bit the hitter Soto is while being a bonafide ace pitcher. $40M is where the bar is set. He might get a little more than guys like Judge and have someone offer like $42M, but I can't see a world in which he sniffs 50.

Edited July 24, 2024 by Cuzi

[Stratos]

3 hours ago, mfcubs22 said:

Pinch hitting Mastro for Amaya, and not PCA, was such a bad decision. 

They're squeezed for CF.  Tauchman was PH for the previous inning, Wisdom was in RF.

Only things they could have done is moved Morel to CF and Mastro stays to play 3B, or put Seiya from DH to OF and he or Happ in CF and forefeit the DH spot and have the pitcher or whomever hit.

They have 7 INF on the roster but only 4 OF where all 4 are usually in the lineup most days.  Maybe Canario should come up and Wisdom sent down or something.  I think they need a PH option for PCA.

[Stratos]

I don't usually complain about umps but that one was terrible.

Cubs offense sucks so there's that too LOL.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Good on the Cubs for not making this deadline difficult for Hoyer.

As for Soto, much like Ohtani, there will be rumors of other teams be involved for his services but in the end Soto won't leave NY. The Cubs will throw a uninspiring offer his way, just so they "tried" and then Hoyer will proceed to his next mediocre plan. 

Note: I do want Soto but this owner/president combo do not have the guts to actually pursue an elite talent.

 

[Backtobanks]

7 hours ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I know it's not happening, but this team needs Juan Soto at any cost next year and then figure the rest out around him.

You're right, it will NEVER happen.