Cubs Telling Potential Trade Partners They're Undecided On Selling At Deadline

[jersey cubs fan]

38 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Whether they trade him now or the off season I doubt it matters. In fact, if he has a better end to the season he might actually bring more back. Or they might even decide not to trade him at all. He doesn’t have to be traded. 

I was referring to the “wait 1.5 seasons to trade him” comment. It’s a common concept that doesn’t work in the real world. 

[Rcal10]

1 minute ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I was referring to the “wait 1.5 seasons to trade him” comment. It’s a common concept that doesn’t work in the real world. 

Ok, that makes sense. Because of less control he will lose value. I agree. But he also might prove to be a solid offensive player the Cubs might decide not to trade at all. Honesrly, if they get someone good fir him, I am fine moving him. But if his value is low, I would rather keep him and count on him getting better. He may not be an everyday DH or position player, but he can be very useful playing 3 or 4 days a week as a DH or filling in for someone. He does improve the bench. 

[Backtobanks]

3 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

The availability or lackthereof of third basemen has nothing to do with what you should do with Morel. He has proven beyond a doubt to be incapable of playing the position. 
 

and waiting to deal guys is how you get a lesser return 

And waiting to trade him means other teams will be snapping up players like Paredes.

[Rcal10]

8 minutes ago, Backtobanks said:

And waiting to trade him means other teams will be snapping up players like Paredes.

Just be used they don’t trade him doesn’t mean they can’t go after Parades. I think there is a Cubs team that could have both those guys. Having Morel doesn’t stop them from making any other moves. 

[Stratos]

5 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

Drury is a hard pass for me. I would sign Chapman for 3 years at $60M all day long over giving Drury league minimum. 

Interesting.  Given we have Shaw probably ready later next season i'd go Drury and put that 20m somewhere else, maybe Soto.  Just not into giving that much money to 32+ y/o position guys.  Agree to disagree.

People here don't like this idea but I'd even try Busch there for half a season with Bellinger at 1B.  Busch has the hands and reaction time for 3B.  Land Soto and put him RF, he's doing fine there this season.  Try to trade Soto at age 30.

[Cuzi]

Being against giving a player $20M thats probably going to return that much in value on the field but in favor of giving a player even league minimum who's probably at best looking at a minor league deal is an interesting take to say the least.

Brandon Drury sucks. He's accrued 6 WAR in his entire career, of which 5.9 of that came in a 2 year span. He's bottom 20% in EVERYTHING. No one in their right mind should be looking at Brandon Drury as any kind of a solution. I'd rather have Morel man 3B again next year and I've wanted to trade him for over a year now.

This feels like some past dream of wanting to pick him up as a rental a couple years ago and pretending that he's still that guy and refusing to let go of that dream just to see him in a Cubs uniform.

Edited July 18, 2024 by Cuzi

[Stratos]

24 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Being against giving a player $20M thats probably going to return that much in value on the field but in favor of giving a player even league minimum who's probably at best looking at a minor league deal is an interesting take to say the least.

Brandon Drury sucks. He's accrued 6 WAR in his entire career, of which 5.9 of that came in a 2 year span. He's bottom 20% in EVERYTHING. No one in their right mind should be looking at Brandon Drury as any kind of a solution. I'd rather have Morel man 3B again next year and I've wanted to trade him for over a year now.

This feels like some past dream of wanting to pick him up as a rental a couple years ago and pretending that he's still that guy and refusing to let go of that dream just to see him in a Cubs uniform.

You're judging Drury on 167 PA's, his stats this season are largely irrelevant given the sample size.  We'd probably need the guy for a few months next season until Shaw is ready.  Shaw has good surplus potential on a team desperate for surplus, i wouldn't block him to pay a guy who will be age 32-34 hitting decline years.  If they want someone quality on OD then trade for a guy like Parades.

[KCCub]

The Cubs need to be past the stage of throwing horsefeathers at 3b and hoping it sticks. They've tried that for 3.5 seasons already and it hasn't worked. Get someone who can actually handle the position and add value to the team. Steele isn't getting any cheaper, we've burnt likely Imanaga's best season as a Cub, we only have a few years left of Suzuki/Happ/Nico together, Dansby's going to continue to age, and on and on. 

[Derwood]

2 minutes ago, KCCub said:

The Cubs need to be past the stage of throwing horsefeathers at 3b and hoping it sticks. They've tried that for 3.5 seasons already and it hasn't worked. Get someone who can actually handle the position and add value to the team. Steele isn't getting any cheaper, we've burnt likely Imanaga's best season as a Cub, we only have a few years left of Suzuki/Happ/Nico together, Dansby's going to continue to age, and on and on. 

They went like 30 years without a good 3B, got a decade worth of All-Star play between Aramis and Bryant, and are now back to third base purgatory

[Cuzi]

2 hours ago, Stratos said:

You're judging Drury on 167 PA's, his stats this season are largely irrelevant given the sample size.  We'd probably need the guy for a few months next season until Shaw is ready.  Shaw has good surplus potential on a team desperate for surplus, i wouldn't block him to pay a guy who will be age 32-34 hitting decline years.  If they want someone quality on OD then trade for a guy like Parades.

No. I'm judging Drury on his entire career, He was only got for 2 seasons and his underlying numbers in those 2 seasons were marginal. He had a good run. He's been around for 10 seasons and has 6 WAR. He's not a good player and he's absolutely terrible now. There's no team in baseball sitting around looking at what to do at 3B and having Brandon freaking Drury cross their mind. You can take that to the bank.

I would honestly be on the phone with the Mets on Ronny Mauricio. He's a shortstop by trade with a big arm and big power. He's lost this season due to an ACL tear. He has 1 option year remaining, assuming it doesn't get burned before the end of the season. More importantly, with the emergence of Mark Vientos as a viable MLB starter, the Mets dont have anywhere to put Mauricio and they still have Baty. Mauricio is ready for his shot and the Cubs could give him 3B. He's got all the tools to stick at 3B and given that he's only got the 1 option remaining it's probably not going to cost that much to get him.

Mets currently sit in the final WC spot and the one thing that stands out as a weakness is pitching. So probably looking at something like Assad going to the Mets. I would want a little something extra on top of Mauricio coming back, obviously. Someone like Nolan McLean has that plus fastball/slider combo the Cubs seem to love in the bottom half of their top 30.

Edited July 18, 2024 by Cuzi

[thawv]

12 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

Whether they trade him now or the off season I doubt it matters. In fact, if he has a better end to the season he might actually bring more back. Or they might even decide not to trade him at all. He doesn’t have to be traded. 

I'd prefer his power stroke coming off the bench, with some spot starts, opposed to trading him at his low point.  He's not useless by any means.  He's just not an every day player on a team that's trying to win the WS  

[Backtobanks]

13 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

Just be used they don’t trade him doesn’t mean they can’t go after Parades. I think there is a Cubs team that could have both those guys. Having Morel doesn’t stop them from making any other moves. 

My problem with that is you would probably have to a "real" prospect like Shaw instead of Morel to get Paredes.

[Rex Buckingham]

since they have Caminero and Mead (And Carson Williams, a SS in AA that Keith Law ranked as his 20th overall prospect on June 3rd) I would expect they would want either pitching or OF rather than an infielder

[Rcal10]

2 hours ago, Backtobanks said:

My problem with that is you would probably have to a "real" prospect like Shaw instead of Morel to get Paredes.

Again, so? So trade Ahaw in a package to get Parades. Play Parades at 3rd. Morel on the team does not stop them from making any moves they might want to make. You suggested having Morel might mean they lose out on Parades. 

[CubinNY]

1 hour ago, Rex Buckingham said:

since they have Caminero and Mead (And Carson Williams, a SS in AA that Keith Law ranked as his 20th overall prospect on June 3rd) I would expect they would want either pitching or OF rather than an infielder

Steele or Horton, but I wouldn't do that trade. To me, it makes the most sense to get a placeholder. I would have given Candelario the contract the Reds did in a heartbeat. But here we are. 

[Bertz]

10 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

Steele or Horton, but I wouldn't do that trade. To me, it makes the most sense to get a placeholder. I would have given Candelario the contract the Reds did in a heartbeat. But here we are. 

Candelario's suddenly become damn near as bad as Morel on defense this year.

3B is in a weird spot sort of league wide right now.  Trending very stars and scrubs.