The Return of Sammy Sosa?

[Sammy Sofa]

12 hours ago, Stratos said:

not to mention corking his bat

Tossing out corking a bat like it's a crime is more than a little goofy.

[Tryptamine]

No one  should condone Sammy cheating, but lets not pretend just about the entire league was doing the same thing at that time. Even beloved HoF legends like Hank Aaron cheated, but I don't see anyone trying to run him out of town. Sammy messed up, he knows he messed up and apologized. it's not like he's a monster like Wander Franco. Meanwhile players like Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell sit in the hall of fame despite playing in the same steroid driven era because people have for some reason decided that they didn't take steroids. 

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

No one  should condone Sammy cheating, but lets not pretend just about the entire league was doing the same thing at that time. Even beloved HoF legends like Hank Aaron cheated, but I don't see anyone trying to run him out of town. Sammy messed up, he knows he messed up and apologized. it's not like he's a monster like Wander Franco. Meanwhile players like Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell sit in the hall of fame despite playing in the same steroid driven era because people have for some reason decided that they didn't take steroids. 

Frank Thomas?!  How can you so brazenly accuse an enhancement pill salesman of steroid use?  

[We Got The Whole 9]

IDK Frank was always huge and his numbers didn't really spike. His career progression was steady and consistent. He did hit a 520' (ovv with old tech) tank in the 94 HRD but Soto and Trevor Story did that also. 

[Rcal10]

18 hours ago, CubinNY said:

I just want to take this opportunity to say horsefeathers the Ricketts in the roughest way possible. They are more vile and disgusting humans than some dumbass kid from the DR  could ever be. 
 

and also, TT, if don’t think Tom horsefeathers Ricketts doesn’t hold some kind of stupid White man rich guy grudge against arguably the 2nd best Cubs player of our lifetime I don’t know what to tell you other than you are giving the douche bags who run the Cubsa way, way too much credit. 

Sosa is not the second best Cubs of my lifetime, but that’s a separate discussion. That said, it has been long enough. Because he did put up the numbers he did and he played a lot of years for the Cubs he should be welcomed back in. TR has held this grudge too long. They should talk and then he should be welcomed back. Hell, I see Mcgwire out there with the Cubs. If he can be here so can Sosa.(and I know the Cubs drafted his kid)

 

[Rcal10]

3 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

No one  should condone Sammy cheating, but lets not pretend just about the entire league was doing the same thing at that time. Even beloved HoF legends like Hank Aaron cheated, but I don't see anyone trying to run him out of town. Sammy messed up, he knows he messed up and apologized. it's not like he's a monster like Wander Franco. Meanwhile players like Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell sit in the hall of fame despite playing in the same steroid driven era because people have for some reason decided that they didn't take steroids. 

How did Aaron cheat? I am not saying you are wrong. I just never heard this. I also do not believe Thomas used steroids. He was always very big. Bagwell, you could be right about. 

[UMFan83]

3 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Sosa is not the second best Cubs of my lifetime, but that’s a separate discussion. That said, it has been long enough. Because he did put up the numbers he did and he played a lot of years for the Cubs he should be welcomed back in. TR has held this grudge too long. They should talk and then he should be welcomed back. Hell, I see Mcgwire out there with the Cubs. If he can be here so can Sosa.(and I know the Cubs drafted his kid)

 

The difference probably to the Cubs (besides his kid being in the org) is that McGwire admitted to his mistakes and the Ricketts seem to be obsessed with making sure Sosa admits his.  It's really freaking dumb but that's where we are.  There are rumors that Sosa was willing to admit to "making mistakes" several years ago and in return would be welcomed back into the fold but at the last minute Sosa backed out.  I have to assume that's still the same condition the Ricketts are setting.

[Rcal10]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

The difference probably to the Cubs (besides his kid being in the org) is that McGwire admitted to his mistakes and the Ricketts seem to be obsessed with making sure Sosa admits his.  It's really freaking dumb but that's where we are.  There are rumors that Sosa was willing to admit to "making mistakes" several years ago and in return would be welcomed back into the fold but at the last minute Sosa backed out.  I have to assume that's still the same condition the Ricketts are setting.

Agreed. TBF, Sosa also was not well liked my his teammates. He was a bit of an horsefeathers. Not sure how much that plays into this when you realize Sandberg was one of those teammates. And at his HOF speech he went out of his way to praise guys who play the game the right way. Specifically mentioned Dawson. When the Cubs were in London I went to their rally in a London bar. I actually got to ask Sandberg a question. I asked him to name some guys he admired that he played with. He mentioned Hrace, Dunston, Dawson and Sutcliffe. No mention of Sosa.

[SpongeWorthy]

sammy sosa is the most important and exciting cubs player of all time and a huge reason they’re worth what they are worth now

I didn’t grow up in Chicago in the 90s but me and my friends were obsessed with baseball and the cubs pre-98 had zero pull with us. no one gave two shits. it was all Griffey (and Frank to a much lesser extent) all the time. whatever currency the WGN cubs had as a national brand was cannibalised by the braves/tbs 

bring him back 

[Tryptamine]

46 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

How did Aaron cheat? I am not saying you are wrong. I just never heard this. I also do not believe Thomas used steroids. He was always very big. Bagwell, you could be right about. 

He used amphetamines aka "Greenies" as did many players of his era. 

[LBiittner]

4 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

No one  should condone Sammy cheating, but lets not pretend just about the entire league was doing the same thing at that time. Even beloved HoF legends like Hank Aaron cheated, but I don't see anyone trying to run him out of town. Sammy messed up, he knows he messed up and apologized. it's not like he's a monster like Wander Franco. Meanwhile players like Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell sit in the hall of fame despite playing in the same steroid driven era because people have for some reason decided that they didn't take steroids. 

Hanks been dead for almost 3 years, let him dirt nap

[Rcal10]

2 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

He used amphetamines aka "Greenies" as did many players of his era. 

All players took them. That is not even close to what Sosa did. Those were out in the open back then. People using steroids hid it because they knew it was illegal. 

[Rcal10]

11 minutes ago, SpongeWorthy said:

sammy sosa is the most important and exciting cubs player of all time and a huge reason they’re worth what they are worth now

I didn’t grow up in Chicago in the 90s but me and my friends were obsessed with baseball and the cubs pre-98 had zero pull with us. no one gave two shits. it was all Griffey (and Frank to a much lesser extent) all the time. whatever currency the WGN cubs had as a national brand was cannibalised by the braves/tbs 

bring him back 

I agree the Cubs should bring Sammy back. But I think you are doing many previous Cubs greats a disservice by suggested Sosa is the most important Cubs ever. He was a cheater and a terrible teammate. For those reasons I could not disagree more with you on your praise for him. But others who cheated during that time have been welcomed back by their team. So Sammy should as well. 

[SpongeWorthy]

4 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

I agree the Cubs should bring Sammy back. But I think you are doing many previous Cubs greats a disservice by suggested Sosa is the most important Cubs ever. He was a cheater and a terrible teammate. For those reasons I could not disagree more with you on your praise for him. But others who cheated during that time have been welcomed back by their team. So Sammy should as well. 

im not doing any of the past cubs (who never won anything and were on mostly bad teams) a disservice 

sammy was literally one of the most famous people in the country for several years 

 

 

[LBiittner]

Why does anyone care about Sammy being welcomed back into the cub family's good graces?

Does he mail you a Chistmas card or send you Hannaka candles? 

 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, Rcal10 said:

How did Aaron cheat? I am not saying you are wrong. I just never heard this. I also do not believe Thomas used steroids. He was always very big. Bagwell, you could be right about. 

Hank Aaron used amphetamines as a PED

You cannot decide who is and is not using steroids by eyeballing them.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, Rcal10 said:

Agreed. TBF, Sosa also was not well liked my his teammates. He was a bit of an horsefeathers. Not sure how much that plays into this when you realize Sandberg was one of those teammates. And at his HOF speech he went out of his way to praise guys who play the game the right way. Specifically mentioned Dawson. When the Cubs were in London I went to their rally in a London bar. I actually got to ask Sandberg a question. I asked him to name some guys he admired that he played with. He mentioned Hrace, Dunston, Dawson and Sutcliffe. No mention of Sosa.

Sandberg wouldn't take a chance on any play that might hurt his precious fielding percentage and errorless streaks. He can horsefeathers all the way off.

Edited March 16, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Hairyducked Idiot]

39 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

All players took them. That is not even close to what Sosa did. Those were out in the open back then. People using steroids hid it because they knew it was illegal. 

They were illegal and against the rules of baseball.  It's "different" because you want it to be different.  PEDs were an open secret in baseball locker rooms throughout your entire life until the late 00s cleanup.

Here's the reality that a lot of sports fans don't like to think about:  If a sport can be improved at through the use of PEDs, and that sport doesn't have an *extremely* rigorous anti-PED program that is constantly updated, then it is functionally impossible to reach high levels in that sport without using PEDs. Everyone's using them or no one is.

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The actually gross thing Sosa did wasn't the same PEDs that literally everyone else was using.  It was the accusations of spousal abuse that got swept under the rug.  Imagine today how it would play if an athlete was being accused of beating his wife with a baseball bat and hitting a rum bottle over her head because she wouldn't give him a divorce.

[UMFan83]

5 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Sandberg wouldn't take a chance on any play that might hurt his precious fielding percentage and errorless streaks. He can horsefeathers all the way off.

Geez the man is literally fighting for his life right now.  There has to be a gentler way to express your dislike of his baseball career

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, UMFan83 said:

Geez the man is literally fighting for his life right now.  There has to be a gentler way to express your dislike of his baseball career

OK. I hope he beats cancer then horsefeathers all the way off. The HOF speech was pretentious boomer BS.

[Rcal10]

34 minutes ago, SpongeWorthy said:

im not doing any of the past cubs (who never won anything and were on mostly bad teams) a disservice 

sammy was literally one of the most famous people in the country for several years 

 

 

Just curious. What did the Cubs ever win with Sosa? 

[Rcal10]

3 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

OK. I hope he beats cancer then horsefeathers all the way off. The HOF speech was pretentious boomer BS.

Well your name does tell us who you are, so I can’t argue with you.

[Sammy Sofa]

7 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Just curious. What did the Cubs ever win with Sosa? 

What did the Cubs win with ANYONE for over a damn century?

Edited March 16, 2024 by Sammy Sofa

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Apparently I have to specify this, but baseball is a small subsection of life and nobody deserves cancer ever, especially not over something as trivial as baseball.   Is that clear enough? OK now that context which I would have assumed was obvious and implicit is out of the way:

Sandberg trying to position himself as an old-school baseball moralist by taking a dump on the guy who replaced him as the most popular Cub is absolutely ridiculous white boomer BS and he can horsefeathers all the way off.

Besides the fact that he was a fielding diva who cared more about his error stats than his team, he's a quitter.  He quit on his team in 1994, which is supposed to be the cardinal clubhouse sin. Then he did it again as manager of the Phillies.  

If you wanna be a quitter, be a quitter.  Quitting is awesome and more people should do it when situations suck.

But when you make a habit of it, you don't get to position yourself as some champion of the clubhouse just to score some cheap white boomer points at your HOF speech or to try to get every random Jim and Joebob from south of Peoria to clamor for you to be the Cubs manager.

Edited March 16, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot