The Return of Sammy Sosa?

[Stratos]

1 hour ago, UMFan83 said:

The difference probably to the Cubs (besides his kid being in the org) is that McGwire admitted to his mistakes and the Ricketts seem to be obsessed with making sure Sosa admits his.  It's really freaking dumb but that's where we are.  There are rumors that Sosa was willing to admit to "making mistakes" several years ago and in return would be welcomed back into the fold but at the last minute Sosa backed out.  I have to assume that's still the same condition the Ricketts are setting.

Well McGwire also didn't deny steroid use under oath.   Sammy probably can't admit it even if he wanted to unless he wants to risk serious legal issues.  I understand it, but he shouldn't have lied under oath in the first place.  He was my fav player for a decade even years before 1998, I was a huge fan, but the guy is a schmuck.  I'd probably boo the guy if he came on the field, he deserves it, as a huge fan of his he hurt me pretty bad.   He also owes me $150 for a Sosa jersey I can never wear in public again without looking like an arse haha jk.

[Sammy Sofa]

1 minute ago, Stratos said:

Sammy probably can't admit it even if he wanted to unless he wants to risk serious legal issues.

That's not true at all.

[Sammy Sofa]

The idea that steroids weren't barely an open secret at best a la greenies is ridiculous. There's been so many bios and interviews and whatnot where dudes talk about how they treated the locker rooms as swap meets for ALL kinds of drugs, PED or otherwise.

horsefeathers, McGwire was doing interviews with his meds sitting right there in the front of his locker for everyone to see.

[Stratos]

12 minutes ago, Sammy Sofa said:

That's not true at all.

Why not?  

[UMFan83]

I swear we just had this exact same conversation yesterday with the exact same participants. 

[Sammy Sofa]

9 minutes ago, Stratos said:

Why not?  

Because it happened 19 years ago.

[Rcal10]

48 minutes ago, Sammy Sofa said:

What did the Cubs win with ANYONE for over a damn century?

Nothing. But the list I was responding to suggested there was no disservice to past Cubs who were on team who never won anything, when considering Aosa the best Cub ever. So that is why I asked what team Sosa was in ever won. 

[Sammy Sofa]

6 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Nothing. But the list I was responding to suggested there was no disservice to past Cubs who were on team who never won anything, when considering Aosa the best Cub ever. So that is why I asked what team Sosa was in ever won. 

[cl smooth]

sosa put asses in the seats FOR YEARS when the cubs horsefeathers sucked. dude was atlas carrying this team for close to a decade. so what if he (allegedly) used steroids? 

sammy is/was the man. bring him back!

[chibears55]

On 3/15/2024 at 3:07 PM, Transmogrified Tiger said:

Apologizing or reconciling with the team/ownership is just a proxy for a decent percentage of the fanbase. I really doubt Ricketts has strong feelings about stuff that happened years before they owned the team.  Anything surrounding Sammy being recognized/honored is PR, and the motivation to trot out Sammy without some type of (probably contrived) reconciliation likely leads to a big chunk of the audience booing him.  And that's probably not PR worth doing?  I dunno the whole saga is like HOF stuff to me, in that most people seem to care way more deeply about it than I do.

I still feel Sammy being away from the team has more to do with Wood and maybe Sandberg request to Tom Ricketts to keep him away or they'll stay away. 

 

[Derwood]

I always thought people were pissed about him leaving the stadium early or whatever, not the steroid stuff

[Stratos]

2 hours ago, Sammy Sofa said:

Because it happened 19 years ago.

Yes he broke the law 19 years ago.  He still broke the law, he just can't go to jail for it now.  So what's his excuse then for not fessing up now?  He continues to repeat the lies he's been telling us the last 25-30 years and you want him on the field at Wrigley?  Sammy thinks we're all as dumb as he is to still believe his BS.  I don't want him within a quarter mile of any of our players.  Canario would arrive at camp next spring with a John Cena physique, acne all over his face, the same bats that weighed 3 ounces lighter,  and a mysteriously pale complexion.

As for the Ricketts vs Sammy debate, I think they can both go to h*ll.  How this sport even continues to get fans or why I still watch it is beyond me.  The sport's been so corrupted by money for so long it's wild.  How long until we hear some story about how some umps have been bribed over the decades too?

The MLB is an a-hole factory where your dreams as a child go to die after you hit puberty and become wise enough to realize that a lot of the people you grew up idolizing are just a bunch of selfish narcissistic pricks that the owners use to rape your wallet by e.g. tearing down Wrigley and rebuilding a cheap replica on the same land as a casino but forget to use house-money to actually field a good team.  And we're masochists too busy arguing about owners vs players when they should be told to go straight to h*ll.  You think its been fun since 1994 to be a fan?  I think it's been an embarrassing never-ending heartbreak dumpster fire.

[cl smooth]

1 minute ago, Stratos said:

I don't want him within a quarter mile of any of our players.  Canario would arrive at camp next spring with a John Cena physique, acne all over his face, the same bats that weighed 3 ounces lighter,  and a mysteriously pale complexion.

what in the hell are you talking about?

[Sammy Sofa]

1 hour ago, Stratos said:

Yes he broke the law 19 years ago.  He still broke the law, he just can't go to jail for it now.

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You were the one bizarrely talking like he can't admit to steroid use due to potential legal problems. He can't get into ANY kind of criminal trouble for perjury 19 horsefeathers years after the fact.

[Rex Buckingham]

1 hour ago, cl smooth said:

what in the hell are you talking about?

Would Canario hit 60 dongs? If so, sign him up to be Sammy's Little Brother

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Some days I really miss PSD

[SpongeWorthy]

my response to anyone who thinks Sammy wouldn’t be welcomed back to wrigley like a conquering hero:

 

[Rcal10]

31 minutes ago, SpongeWorthy said:

my response to anyone who thinks Sammy wouldn’t be welcomed back to wrigley like a conquering hero:

 

And you would be wrong. He is far from a conquering hero. If he admits what he did the Cubs should bring him back. I agree with that. I just don’t agree this guy should be considered some kind of hero. He was not. He was an average player until he cheated. He was an horsefeathers of a teammate and a human. He was arrogant and was not a well rounded player. He hit homers. That is it. With the help of steroids he was good at hitting homers. This excuse that everyone did it is nonsense. Not everyone did it to his level. Not everyone used it so much their heads got bigger. Everyone also didn’t it use a corked bat or be accused of domestic violence. He is definitely not someone anyone should look up to. But he was a Cub and when he was a Cub they allowed him to be who he was. And during his Cubs career he put up great numbers. So if he admits what he did, and acknowledges he was wrong to do what he was the Cubs should take him back. If not, I am fine with him not being welcomed back by the Cubs. 

[Thusly Boned]

13 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

And you would be wrong. He is far from a conquering hero. If he admits what he did the Cubs should bring him back. I agree with that. I just don’t agree this guy should be considered some kind of hero. He was not. He was an average player until he cheated. He was an horsefeathers of a teammate and a human. He was arrogant and was not a well rounded player. He hit homers. That is it. With the help of steroids he was good at hitting homers. This excuse that everyone did it is nonsense. Not everyone did it to his level. Not everyone used it so much their heads got bigger. Everyone also didn’t it use a corked bat or be accused of domestic violence. He is definitely not someone anyone should look up to. But he was a Cub and when he was a Cub they allowed him to be who he was. And during his Cubs career he put up great numbers. So if he admits what he did, and acknowledges he was wrong to do what he was the Cubs should take him back. If not, I am fine with him not being welcomed back by the Cubs. 

Most people just don't care about the steroids, tbh. Just crochety old baseball writers and meatball fans.

[Rcal10]

2 minutes ago, XZero77 said:

Most people just don't care about the steroids, tbh. Just crochety old baseball writers and meatball fans.

I think it is an age thing. Younger people don’t care. Older people do. I respect the younger people and their POV. But I am older, and I disagree. I think it matters. And believe me, I am not a meatball fan. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

58 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

I think it is an age thing. Younger people don’t care. Older people do. I respect the younger people and their POV. But I am older, and I disagree. I think it matters. And believe me, I am not a meatball fan. 

Older people care when it's players they were already inclined to dislike.  When mantle and Aaron admit to ped usage, they suddenly stop caring 

[Outshined_One]

7 hours ago, Sammy Sofa said:

Because it happened 19 years ago.

The discovery rule kicks in with these sorts of crimes. A shitass US Attorney (and there are plenty of them) could argue that no reasonable person would have been aware of the perjury under the circumstances, and date of Sosa's admission of the perjury would be the trigger for the limitations period to kick off, rather than the date of his original testimony.

At best, we'll get an extremely codeworded, vague, and mealy admission from Sammy that will be along the lines of, "I did things that were wrong," that won't implicate him as a perjurer.

[Stratos]

1 hour ago, XZero77 said:

Most people just don't care about the steroids, tbh. Just crochety old baseball writers and meatball fans.

Thanks!

Edited March 17, 2024 by Stratos

[Stratos]

1 hour ago, Rcal10 said:

I think it is an age thing. Younger people don’t care. Older people do. I respect the younger people and their POV. But I am older, and I disagree. I think it matters. And believe me, I am not a meatball fan. 

No no Rcal, you're a meatball.  Because when someone disagrees with your opinion, they obviously must be an idiot and they deserve to be insulted.  I think that comment shows us who the meatball is.

I get your point but I don't personally want to get into the young vs old thing, that's not going to go well, and it sounds like i'm probably at least 20 years or so younger than you anyways.  I don't like stereotyping groups of people, I know lots of people under 30 who don't think like you're saying, even if there's a smaller % of them.

[17 Seconds]

he would get a standing ovation