Bears Beat Byes…, But Lions?

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43 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

Those Josh Lucas interviews are utterly fascinating. I've never heard an NFL executive be as open and honest as he was in talking about their process and reasoning for each decision they made. Every Bears fan should listen to them. 

He just did another Podcast visit with Hoge and Jahns. They talk about keeping Fields or taking QB #1. Lucas says he would take a new QB. It is fun to hear him talk about past drafts and behind the curtain type stuff

[jumbo]

2 hours ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

There was some smoke about Cleveland trading up to 2. And Josh Lucas in one of his interviews alluded to that belief as well.   Not sure anyone from SF ever has or will confirm if any real offer was on the table though.

 

In any case there has been reporting that Mahomes and Trubisky were neck and neck in Bears org, so paying an insurance policy when that's your own internal evaluation and consensus boards were all split across 3 guys is obviously moronic.

I remember a Mahomes interview talking about the Bears telling him that if he was there when they picked he was their guy. Maybe it was a Pat Sr interview....

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2 hours ago, BigSlick said:

Those Josh Lucas interviews are utterly fascinating. I've never heard an NFL executive be as open and honest as he was in talking about their process and reasoning for each decision they made. Every Bears fan should listen to them. 

And everyone in the Bears organization hates him now because he's running his mouth. LOL

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1 hour ago, jumbo said:

I remember a Mahomes interview talking about the Bears telling him that if he was there when they picked he was their guy. Maybe it was a Pat Sr interview....

Yeah, was his dad. He supposedly went HAM on the Bears in that 1st meeting in 2019. I seem to remember him holding up a number 2 or 3 or something on the field. 

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So, FWIW....I think I have officially put Bobby Slowik over Ben Johnson as my top candidate for the coaching job. 

Slowik would be the youngest HC in the league. And I know he only has 1 year as an OC, but so did Mike McDaniel. And I don't believe he or McVay called plays before becoming a HC. He also seems to have that boldness and swagger that I love from a playcaller. Houston fans were upset that there were 2 deep passes thrown on B2B plays with 3rd & then 4th and 1 to go. Nevermind the fact that there were short routes there, but I love that type of moxie from an offensive mind. He also has a whole set of play calls ready for a 4th and 20 instead of a 55+ yard FG. 

Obviously, the key here is that Slowik has demonstrated the ability to work with and develop a rookie QB this year. But he was also QB coach for Brock Purdy's rookie year in SF as well. The Bears are pretty likely to have a rookie QB next year along with a young QB who compares pretty decently to Brock Purdy, skillset wise (Bagent) as a backup plan. It's very fascinating to hear him speak about his young QB and offense in general. I truly think he can be the next from that legendary 2013 Washington Racialslurs team that included Kyle Shanahan, LeFleur, McDaniel, and McVay. And if you're into fun coincidences and are like Ryan Poles and values history with the organization, his dad was a former Bears DC. In fact, Slowik coming from a defensive background as recently as 2018 in SF is another plus for him, IMO. 

Another big thing is that if the Bears do decide to fire Flus/Getsy and continue with Fields, Slowik's offense is likely the most similar they can find to what Fields is already running. In fact, this is making me re-think the 3rd offense in 4 years thing is a deal breaker for Fields' future. Getsy isn't really from the Shanahan tree, but runs the Shanahan offense by way of LeFleur. But Slowik is directly from the offense. And it appears as the apple didn't fall too far from said tree as Houston and SF are the only teams with 3 players in the top 15 of yards per target. Slowik likes to throw the ball down the field, and likes to do it a lot. That also works into the hands of Justin Fields, who likes to throw down the field and is pretty solid at it. And why they are not the same type of QB, the Fields/Stroud connection from the Ohio St past means that it's possible that some of the lingo/concepts that has led to Stroud's success this year can be used to benefit Justin in the same way.

Being that the HC decision will come before the draft and 5th year option decision (May 2 this year), having a coach that can potentially be a perfect match for Fields and a rookie QB gives Slowik the edge for me. Only question is are the Bears bold enough to make the move? Poles is a pretty young GM, so I don't think a young coach would scare him off as much as it would the McCaskeys. But Poles is leaning pretty hard into analytics and Slowik formerly worked for PFF between his Washington and SF days. Seems like the perfect pairing for multiple reasons.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Resign him 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/12/01/bears-jaylon-johnson-evoked-infamous-randy-moss-td-celebration-espn-broadcast-missed-it

[minnesotacubsfan]

McCarthy holds the balll ten times longer than Fields does

 

 

hard pass

[BigSlick]

13 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

McCarthy holds the balll ten times longer than Fields does

 

 

hard pass

Yeah I find him utterly, utterly unimpressive as a pro prospect. I really hope he isn’t in a Bears watchlist. 
 

im fully expecting the Bears to get trounced next weekend… under Eberflus they’ve been horrible after bye weeks, they’ve never won back-to-back games and I feel like they really caught the Lions and Jared Goff by surprise in their first meeting, which will not be duplicated.

 

the Bears coaching staff is actually quite good at landing a first punch. Getsy scripts good initial drives, Eberflus’s defense typically starts off strong, and then after half time things fall apart. The other team gathers itself, adjusts, and the Bears have no counterpunch. 
 

im not hopeful the Bears will even have the opportunity to deliver a counter in this one. It’ll say a lot for Fields’s progress if they do.

[Tryptamine]

For me it's kind of like this

McCarthy: I think he's a career backup. He has a NFL quality arm. He can occasionally hit the big throw, but he's just so bland and boring the vast majority of the time. 

Penix: He's got an arm and he's going to flash, but I think he's going he's going to be constantly up and down given his mechanics/decision making. The upside is really high though.

Maye: Highest upside in the draft as a pocket passer. He's got the arm, he can make all the throws, but because of that he makes a lot of throw he probably shouldn't. Decision making is his fatal flaw.

Williams:  Highest overall upside. He can play as a pocket QB or create on his own while scrambling out of the pocket. The problem is he takes it too far and tries to do too much and in the NFL that's going to lead to a lot of turnovers. 

Nix: I don't think there's a real high ceiling here, but I think he's a pretty safe pick, as far as QBs go, to be a roughly league average QB. He has a solid arm, and good decision making. 

Beck: Super accurate, good with the reads, but the arm isn't NFL caliber. He's the kind of guy who carves out a decade long career as a backup. 

Haven't seen enough of Sanders or Daniels to have an opinion.

 

 

[UMFan83]

In the hunt!!

 

 

[UMFan83]

Re McCarthy I thought he was legit impressive early this year but he’s a deer in headlights lately with poor offensive line play and potential other intangibles affecting his play. 
 

wait what intangibles? Oh well it’s been well documented that he’s been pretty banged up the last month effecting his elusiveness among other things. What intangibles did you think I was referring to? Lol

 

but yeah I’ve come way down on his prospect potential. I think he’ll be an NFL player but to be honest he could spend another year at Michigan to refine his game. He can look absolutely spectacular at times and head scratching at others. Pass on him for the Bears

[UMFan83]

Panthers down 3 with the ball and 3:30 left. A win would move their pick to 2nd overall due to SOS tiebreaker with the Patriots

edit: Bryce young throws an INT. My dude!

Edited December 4, 2023 by UMFan83

[jersey cubs fan]

9 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Panthers down 3 with the ball and 3:30 left. A win would move their pick to 2nd overall due to SOS tiebreaker with the Patriots

edit: Bryce young throws an INT. My dude!

The gift that keeps on giving 

[BigSlick]

The Panthers blunder in trading up for Bryce Young and in doing so giving away one of the best receivers in the league along with what may be the 1st overall pick in the next draft for a guy who may very well just can't play pro football because of physical limitations may end up one of the most disastrous moves in NFL history

We complain about the Bears, deservedly - but my god. What the hell is going on over there. 

Edited December 4, 2023 by BigSlick

[Tryptamine]

20 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

The Panthers blunder in trading up for Bryce Young and in doing so giving away one of the best receivers in the league along with what may be the 1st overall pick in the next draft for a guy who may very well just can't play pro football because of physical limitations may end up one of the most disastrous moves in NFL history

We complain about the Bears, deservedly - but my god. What the hell is going on over there. 

They basically have to either draft a WR with their 2nd round pick or go out and get one in free agency. Drafting a QB #1 overall and giving him the corpse of Adam Thielen as a #1 WR is just stupidity. 

[BigSlick]

Just now, Tryptamine said:

They basically have to either draft a WR with their 2nd round pick or go out and get one in free agency. Drafting a QB #1 overall and giving him the corpse of Adam Thielen as a #1 WR is just stupidity. 

I think much worse for him is that he's a tiny little man surrounded by the largest and fastest human beings on the planet. 

 

[We Got The Whole 9]

Its not like he came from some small school that never played against NFL competition. Murray and Wilson have put up numbers in this era. He's small but not insurmountably so. He may just be having a really ****** rookie season because his surrounding talent isn't good and either is the supporting staff.

[UMFan83]

45 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I think much worse for him is that he's a tiny little man surrounded by the largest and fastest human beings on the planet. 

 

Just watching him play, every pass beyond 5 yards that he makes he looks like he's struggling to loft it over the defenders that are closing in on him.  I watched a decent chunk of their game yesterday and once I noticed that its hard not to see it. Russell Wilson is the only QB in the NFL I can remember having any success despite being under 6 feet tall (Brees and Vick were exactly 6 feet). 

[Tim]

4 hours ago, BigSlick said:

The Panthers blunder in trading up for Bryce Young and in doing so giving away one of the best receivers in the league along with what may be the 1st overall pick in the next draft for a guy who may very well just can't play pro football because of physical limitations may end up one of the most disastrous moves in NFL history

We complain about the Bears, deservedly - but my god. What the hell is going on over there. 

I've been assured by CubinNY that Young's not going to be as good as Drew Brees - he's going to be significantly better!

 

Good god I should have bet money on that.

[CubinNY]

7 minutes ago, Tim said:

I've been assured by CubinNY that Young's not going to be as good as Drew Brees - he's going to be significantly better!

 

Good god I should have bet money on that.

You are grossly misstating anything I may have written about Young. But that is the way it goes. I still think it's too early to write epitaphs. 

Who would you have bet with? 

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On 12/3/2023 at 12:05 PM, Tryptamine said:

For me it's kind of like this

McCarthy: I think he's a career backup. He has a NFL quality arm. He can occasionally hit the big throw, but he's just so bland and boring the vast majority of the time. 

Penix: He's got an arm and he's going to flash, but I think he's going he's going to be constantly up and down given his mechanics/decision making. The upside is really high though.

Maye: Highest upside in the draft as a pocket passer. He's got the arm, he can make all the throws, but because of that he makes a lot of throw he probably shouldn't. Decision making is his fatal flaw.

Williams:  Highest overall upside. He can play as a pocket QB or create on his own while scrambling out of the pocket. The problem is he takes it too far and tries to do too much and in the NFL that's going to lead to a lot of turnovers. 

Nix: I don't think there's a real high ceiling here, but I think he's a pretty safe pick, as far as QBs go, to be a roughly league average QB. He has a solid arm, and good decision making. 

Beck: Super accurate, good with the reads, but the arm isn't NFL caliber. He's the kind of guy who carves out a decade long career as a backup. 

Haven't seen enough of Sanders or Daniels to have an opinion.

 

 

McCarthy- thought he had potential to be QB3 top 10 level pick. Figured Michigan was going to the playoff/Natty potentially and I thought he'd be a big reason why. He's been hurt and has been neutered by the gameplan. They aren't letting him throw the ball much at all recently. IDK if he comes out this year, but Harbaugh's situation complicates things.

Penix- as an IU alum, I love the guy's heart. I think a team may talk themselves into thinking he's a Tua type that you put in good structure, with weapons and he can play. When he's accurate he's pinpoint. When he's not, yuck. So many injuries too.

Maye- hard not to see Justin Herbert as a comp. Not as great in the pocket, and better on the move than he gets credit for. Drifts into edge pressure a lot.

Williams- not hard to see the Mahomes-ness in his game, especially Texas Tech Mahomes, immense upside. Some of the same issues as Fields (holds the ball, can be inconsistent in structure)

Nix- agree with your assessment. Gives me Jake Locker vibes. He needs Purdy level support, IMO.

Daniels- really good arm and explosive legs, but he's rail thin. Reminds me of a souped-up Teddy Bridgewater. Smaller QBs are holding up better due to rule protecting QBs (Tua, Young), but not out of the pocket where he thrives. Can stand in the pocket, but wants to go deep. IDK about his short, intermediate game timing/anticipation.

Beck- staying in school

Sanders- staying in school

 

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4 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

Just watching him play, every pass beyond 5 yards that he makes he looks like he's struggling to loft it over the defenders that are closing in on him.  I watched a decent chunk of their game yesterday and once I noticed that its hard not to see it. Russell Wilson is the only QB in the NFL I can remember having any success despite being under 6 feet tall (Brees and Vick were exactly 6 feet). 

Kyler is successful. Three straight 3700 yard seasons to start his career, until last year's injury. He was 29 yards away from 4000 his 2nd year and also had over 800 yards rushing that year. If the last 3 weeks are any indication, he looks to be ready for that type of healthy season again next year, especially if they stay at 3 and get Harrison Jr.

[Tim]

41 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

You are grossly misstating anything I may have written about Young. But that is the way it goes. I still think it's too early to write epitaphs. 

Who would you have bet with? 

Ha - I asked for clarification and you doubled down.

[UMFan83]

1 hour ago, raw said:

Kyler is successful. Three straight 3700 yard seasons to start his career, until last year's injury. He was 29 yards away from 4000 his 2nd year and also had over 800 yards rushing that year. If the last 3 weeks are any indication, he looks to be ready for that type of healthy season again next year, especially if they stay at 3 and get Harrison Jr.

I knew I was forgetting someone.  Yeah he's definitely an exception

[Tim]

5 hours ago, CubinNY said:

You are grossly misstating anything I may have written about Young. But that is the way it goes. I still think it's too early to write epitaphs. 

Who would you have bet with?