Bears vs Vikings on MNF

[Tryptamine]

Justin Fields 2022 vs 2023

Passing YPG: 149.5 vs 195.7

CMP%: 60.4 vs 62.7

TD/INT: 17/11 vs 12/6

QBR: 56.3 vs 44.9

RTG: 85.2 vs 93.3

As a passer he has made pretty solid progress, QBR still hates him, but everything else is favorable.

 

Over the last 4 games

CMP%: 67%

TD/INT: 9TD/2INT

Passing YPG: 211(He only threw 10 passes in the Minnesota game before injury)

Edited November 21, 2023 by Tryptamine

[Brian707]

34 minutes ago, mul21 said:

My only quibble with this is that this team isn't 3-8 bad.  This coaching staff is terrible, gutless and lacks creativity.

A competent coach would have them at 5-6 right now. Denver and Detroit would be wins, That does not excuse the ****** job Poles has done however.

[WrigleyField 22]

3 hours ago, CubinNY said:

If the Bears are in a positon to have 1 and 2 Fields will have played himself out of a job

 

Not both, just 1 in the top 2 (from Carolina)

[WrigleyField 22]

Is this a hot take or mild take?

 

Trestman > Eberflus 

[CubinNY]

1 minute ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Is this a hot take or mild take?

 

Trestman > Eberflus 

Quite a dilemma. They currently playing without a defensive coordinator or a running backs coach because both were fired or resigned for undisclosed reasons. I'm going to have to give the nod to Trestman here. 

[Outshined_One]

2 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Is this a hot take or mild take?

 

Trestman > Eberflus 

Hot take. If you did Nagy > Eberflus, it would have been mild, but Trestman was an unmitigated disaster. Flus is just a clown.

[Brian707]

3 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Is this a hot take or mild take?

 

Trestman > Eberflus 

Is death an option?

[jersey cubs fan]

14 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Is this a hot take or mild take?

 

Trestman > Eberflus 

Not that hot. By record it’s clearly obvious Trestman was better. But the one thing Trestman did have was a GM that tried to put a winning product on the field. They also had a bevy of accomplished veterans on the roster, and Trestman was such a weirdo he destroyed the ends of their collective careers.  
Eberflus is barely less of a weirdo though. 

[raw]

2 hours ago, Rex Buckingham said:

I don't think Poles will pick either Tackle... I think he is convinced Jones is their LT and obviously Wright is solid and getting better at RT

Jones is really good.

[minnesotacubsfan]

7 minutes ago, raw said:

Jones is really good.

I'm not sure I'd be happy picking up a tackle in the top 10, I'd much rather have MHJ, Bowers, or McKinstry depending on the slot they are picking. Jones isnt an all pro yet, but hes been servicable

 

 

[WrigleyField 22]

43 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Not that hot. By record it’s clearly obvious Trestman was better. But the one thing Trestman did have was a GM that tried to put a winning product on the field. They also had a bevy of accomplished veterans on the roster, and Trestman was such a weirdo he destroyed the ends of their collective careers.  
Eberflus is barely less of a weirdo though. 

The big thing with Trestman and I'm not sure if it was his, Emerys, McCaskeys, or a collective idea, was just trying to squeeze every ounce out of that D (with a coach who never ran the system) rather than a clean break.  Clean break that D and bring in young players buying into a fresh system with a DC who actually knew it and maybe that side of the ball isn't as bad.

 

Trestman weirdness still has a shelf life, but I also recall a bunch of things fans/media freaked out about at the time that actually have been somewhat commonplace by other coaches since then (I.e. Rotating captains).  At least some of his weirdness was different, but ultimately fine.

Edited November 21, 2023 by WrigleyField 22

[WrigleyField 22]

Anyways, I created a Twitter poll and Trestman is up early 74-26 lol.  

 

Bland take it is!

[raw]

1 minute ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I'm not sure I'd be happy picking up a tackle in the top 10, I'd much rather have MHJ, Bowers, or McKinstry depending on the slot they are picking. Jones isnt an all pro yet, but hes been servicable

 

 

I'm not sure I'd be happy picking a CB. McKinstry is more talented than anyone in the Bears defensive backfield, but they already spent 3 second round picks on CBs in the last 4 years. Just pay Jaylon. 

I do think the top 2 OTs in this draft are potential stars, and the Bears need star players. Kool Aid could be too, but my assumption is him becoming a star would be in lieu of Johnson being on the team, which is a minimum return scenario other than cap space....which the Bears have plenty of

[minnesotacubsfan]

3 minutes ago, raw said:

I'm not sure I'd be happy picking a CB. McKinstry is more talented than anyone in the Bears defensive backfield, but they already spent 3 second round picks on CBs in the last 4 years. Just pay Jaylon. 

I do think the top 2 OTs in this draft are potential stars, and the Bears need star players. Kool Aid could be too, but my assumption is him becoming a star would be in lieu of Johnson being on the team, which is a minimum return scenario other than cap space....which the Bears have plenty of

I get that, but I'm reserved to the notion that Jaylon is gone. McKinstry would make me feel less sad for the loss

 

 

[raw]

1 minute ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I get that, but I'm reserved to the notion that Jaylon is gone. McKinstry would make me feel less sad for the loss

 

 

just an FYI, Jaylon isn't reserved to the notion that Jaylon is gone. He came out after the trade deadline and basically said, "they aren't going to let me walk". He's expecting a tag if not a long-term deal

[gflore34]

3 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I get that, but I'm reserved to the notion that Jaylon is gone. McKinstry would make me feel less sad for the loss

 

 

I'm fine with letting someone else pay Jaylon, he's very good, and it'll be a big loss.  However, he's not as good as he thinks, look no further than last game, a top corner grabs that pick-six.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Justin Fields 2022 vs 2023

Passing YPG: 149.5 vs 195.7

CMP%: 60.4 vs 62.7

TD/INT: 17/11 vs 12/6

QBR: 56.3 vs 44.9

RTG: 85.2 vs 93.3

As a passer he has made pretty solid progress, QBR still hates him, but everything else is favorable.

 

Over the last 4 games

CMP%: 67%

TD/INT: 9TD/2INT

Passing YPG: 211(He only threw 10 passes in the Minnesota game before injury)

Fields continues to be a player whose contributions are overrated by raw stats.  He's like a 1970s slugger who puts up HRs and RBIs with a .280 obp.

He can pop off enough runs and bombs to get his yardage up, but he's so unreliable in must-pass situations that his team will struggle to convert those yards into points and points into wins.

His passing success rate (getting at least 40% of yards to gain on first down, 60% on second down or 100% on 3rd/4th) is 40.8%, 28th out of 34 qualified QBs.  (Bagent is 4th at 52%).

His statistics take an absolute nosedive in 4th quarters, especially in non-blowouts, when teams know you have to pass.

He's also uncannily good at doing bad things that don't count against his passing stats.  Hop around for 7 seconds on 3rd and 7 before finally eating a sack and hurting your thumb doesn't help the team win, but it protects your completion percentage and doesn't subtract from your passing yardage.  Handing off a zone read when you should have kept or not checking out of an outside left run when there's two looming left side blitzers doesn't hurt your passing stats at all.  

Wins are not a QB stat, but Justin Fields' historic run of losing isn't a coincidence or bad luck. It is directly tied to his extremely poor execution of his job at the most important position on the field.

 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Is this a hot take or mild take?

 

Trestman > Eberflus 

Nagy > Fox > trestman/eberflus 

[WrigleyField 22]

18 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Nagy > Fox > trestman/eberflus 

Slashes not acceptable. Man up and put the full ranking 

[Brian707]

20 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Fields continues to be a player whose contributions are overrated by raw stats.  He's like a 1970s slugger who puts up HRs and RBIs with a .280 obp.

He can pop off enough runs and bombs to get his yardage up, but he's so unreliable in must-pass situations that his team will struggle to convert those yards into points and points into wins.

His passing success rate (getting at least 40% of yards to gain on first down, 60% on second down or 100% on 3rd/4th) is 40.8%, 28th out of 34 qualified QBs.  (Bagent is 4th at 52%).

His statistics take an absolute nosedive in 4th quarters, especially in non-blowouts, when teams know you have to pass.

He's also uncannily good at doing bad things that don't count against his passing stats.  Hop around for 7 seconds on 3rd and 7 before finally eating a sack and hurting your thumb doesn't help the team win, but it protects your completion percentage and doesn't subtract from your passing yardage.  Handing off a zone read when you should have kept or not checking out of an outside left run when there's two looming left side blitzers doesn't hurt your passing stats at all.  

Wins are not a QB stat, but Justin Fields' historic run of losing isn't a coincidence or bad luck. It is directly tied to his extremely poor execution of his job at the most important position on the field.

 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

3 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Slashes not acceptable. Man up and put the full ranking 

If I really really have to, I guess trestman > eberflus but I really don't care either way, they are both below a minimum level of acceptability 

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Fields continues to be a player whose contributions are overrated by raw stats.  He's like a 1970s slugger who puts up HRs and RBIs with a .280 obp.

He can pop off enough runs and bombs to get his yardage up, but he's so unreliable in must-pass situations that his team will struggle to convert those yards into points and points into wins.

His passing success rate (getting at least 40% of yards to gain on first down, 60% on second down or 100% on 3rd/4th) is 40.8%, 28th out of 34 qualified QBs.  (Bagent is 4th at 52%).

His statistics take an absolute nosedive in 4th quarters, especially in non-blowouts, when teams know you have to pass.

He's also uncannily good at doing bad things that don't count against his passing stats.  Hop around for 7 seconds on 3rd and 7 before finally eating a sack and hurting your thumb doesn't help the team win, but it protects your completion percentage and doesn't subtract from your passing yardage.  Handing off a zone read when you should have kept or not checking out of an outside left run when there's two looming left side blitzers doesn't hurt your passing stats at all.  

Wins are not a QB stat, but Justin Fields' historic run of losing isn't a coincidence or bad luck. It is directly tied to his extremely poor execution of his job at the most important position on the field.

 

 

Bagent has played 4 games. Lets talk about sample size

 

[Old Style]

 

[Tryptamine]

17 minutes ago, Old Style said:

 

Yes, improvements are happening, they're taking longer than any of us hoped for, but he is improving.  Whether or not it's enough, we will see in the last 6 games.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

36 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Bagent has played 4 games. Lets talk about sample size

 

Correct.  I don't think he can sustain 52% with his skill set. But I do think it explains why the offense "felt smoother" as many people described it with him, even while the total yards sucked.