College Basketball 2023-2024

[gflore34]

20 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

A win against Purdue in a few days would take off a lot of the Big10 tournament pressure and pretty much lock them into a top 4 seed. They'd have to pretty much run the table, but there's still an outside shot at a #1.

Don't expect the Illini to beat Purdue however, I'd like to see them go after Edey.  I feel if you can get him moving, because of his lack of quickness, you can get him in foul trouble.  Wonder if Painter going to try Edey on Rodgers again, if so, I hope Rodgers goes after Edey.  Sure, he'll block a few but, so what, you get him moving, he'll foul.  This and shutdown Edey' supporting cast, let him get his but, don't let Smith etc. beat you.  Take my chances with Edey' hook shots rather than give Smith and Loyer a bunch of open three's.

[scarey]

13 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Don't expect the Illini to beat Purdue however, I'd like to see them go after Edey.  I feel if you can get him moving, because of his lack of quickness, you can get him in foul trouble.  Wonder if Painter going to try Edey on Rodgers again, if so, I hope Rodgers goes after Edey.  Sure, he'll block a few but, so what, you get him moving, he'll foul.  This and shutdown Edey' supporting cast, let him get his but, don't let Smith etc. beat you.  Take my chances with Edey' hook shots rather than give Smith and Loyer a bunch of open three's.

Honestly, teams try to do this against Edey pretty much every game. He is incredibly disciplined when it comes to choosing his spots on defense. He will let in easy ones from time to time because of it, but Purdue's scoring efficiency really counteracts that.

There was a sequence against Michigan State where their off the bench center Booker hit two back to back 3s. It loosened up the lane a little bit, but Booker stopped making those and Edey went back to protecting the rim.

The guy is so hard to play against partly because of his talent, but also because of his smart decision making.

[gflore34]

6 hours ago, scarey said:

Honestly, teams try to do this against Edey pretty much every game. He is incredibly disciplined when it comes to choosing his spots on defense. He will let in easy ones from time to time because of it, but Purdue's scoring efficiency really counteracts that.

There was a sequence against Michigan State where their off the bench center Booker hit two back to back 3s. It loosened up the lane a little bit, but Booker stopped making those and Edey went back to protecting the rim.

The guy is so hard to play against partly because of his talent, but also because of his smart decision making.

With Shannon playing we'll see how much the Illni go with Rodgers, if they go with Harmon or Goode in place of Rodgers,  Edey won''t be able to camp out in the paint, he may have to move.  The Illini just might be one of the handful of teams that present match up problems for Purdue.

[Rex Buckingham]

Goode hasn't played much lately... if they call his number, he needs to shoot well, because he doesn't offer much if he isn't hitting from 3

[champaignchris]

Purdue 8 for 10 from 3 in the 2nd half. Illini 0 for 6.  That’s the difference in the game. 

[scarey]

What a weird game.

 

-Illinois clearly were just letting Edey get what he wanted until around 14 minutes left in the game, then they started challenging him

-Hansberry with 4 fouls in 4 minutes? I was following the game without being able to watch and thought it was a glitch when I saw it the 4th time 

-The Illini almost matched Purdue on rebounding, which almost never happens

-Purdue couldn't miss from beyond the arc late in the game

-Shannon shot HORRIBLY

 

It was nice as a Purdue fan to see Loyer bust out in this one. I have worries as Jones has been really really bad in two straight games. Hope they can figure that out

[Irrelevant Dude]

7 minutes ago, scarey said:

Shannon shot HORRIBLY

He had one of his worst performances of the year for sure.  His outside shot is really off and on though.  He will hit some shots and then throw up some absolute bricks.  The difference in this game was he just wasn't able to get to the basket.  The announcers touched on it, but he wasn't able to get his usual fast break opportunities.

[scarey]

1 hour ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

He had one of his worst performances of the year for sure.  His outside shot is really off and on though.  He will hit some shots and then throw up some absolute bricks.  The difference in this game was he just wasn't able to get to the basket.  The announcers touched on it, but he wasn't able to get his usual fast break opportunities.

Teams have not been able to get fast break points on Purdue this year. Braden Smith's improved decision making is a big reason for this. We aren't seeing the 5-8 turnover games like he had last year.

 

As much as the level up from Smith is helping them, having a secondary ball handler in Lance Jones as a pressure release valve has been a BIG deal. Smith wore down as the season went on last year, and having that constant burden as their sole ball handler didn't help. Jones' backcourt defense and awareness is also a huge factor on minimizing fast break points. He had an ugly game today, but he is a difference maker even when he has a bad shooting night.

[SouthSideRyan]

10 hours ago, scarey said:

What a weird game.

 

-Illinois clearly were just letting Edey get what he wanted until around 14 minutes left in the game, then they started challenging him

-Hansberry with 4 fouls in 4 minutes? I was following the game without being able to watch and thought it was a glitch when I saw it the 4th time 

-The Illini almost matched Purdue on rebounding, which almost never happens

-Purdue couldn't miss from beyond the arc late in the game

-Shannon shot HORRIBLY

 

It was nice as a Purdue fan to see Loyer bust out in this one. I have worries as Jones has been really really bad in two straight games. Hope they can figure that out

Hansberry got 4 fouls because he wasn't allowed to guard Edey. The horsefeathers this giant gets away with (AND ON THE ROAD) while picking up touch fouls is an embarrassment.

Edited March 6, 2024 by SouthSideRyan

[gflore34]

10 hours ago, scarey said:

What a weird game.

 

-Illinois clearly were just letting Edey get what he wanted until around 14 minutes left in the game, then they started challenging him

-Hansberry with 4 fouls in 4 minutes? I was following the game without being able to watch and thought it was a glitch when I saw it the 4th time 

-The Illini almost matched Purdue on rebounding, which almost never happens

-Purdue couldn't miss from beyond the arc late in the game

-Shannon shot HORRIBLY

 

It was nice as a Purdue fan to see Loyer bust out in this one. I have worries as Jones has been really really bad in two straight games. Hope they can figure that out

Don't know why they chose to get away from that, they had them, then decide to double him giving up open threes as a result.  Nevertheless, that's the formula that may take down Purdue in the tournament, let Edey get his and shut down the supporting cast.

[gflore34]

35 minutes ago, SouthSideRyan said:

Hansberry got 4 fouls because he wasn't allowed to guard Edey. The horsefeathers this giant gets away with (AND ON THE ROAD) while picking up touch fouls is an embarrassment.

I remember when he literally give Kofi a concussion with an elbow and nothing called, no review, nothing.  Here's something interesting: Edey has 15 games this year of 10+ FT attempts, Kofi had 17 such games for his CAREER.  Edey draws 9 fouls a game in Big Ten play, now granted he does take a lot hits, etc. from the opposition, Kofi got the horsefeathers beat out of him and still was never able to draw fouls at such a rate.

Edited March 6, 2024 by gflore34

[mul21]

It's frustrating to watch B1G officiating normally but the lack of calls on Edey is even more so.  I've also never seen a team as talented and that gives as much effort as Illinois have so many balls bounce right into the hands of the opposing team for easy buckets or wide open shots.  It seemingly happens 2-3 times a game and I have no explanation for it.

[Irrelevant Dude]

1 hour ago, mul21 said:

It's frustrating to watch B1G officiating normally but the lack of calls on Edey is even more so.  I've also never seen a team as talented and that gives as much effort as Illinois have so many balls bounce right into the hands of the opposing team for easy buckets or wide open shots.  It seemingly happens 2-3 times a game and I have no explanation for it.

I would say there probably is an explanation for those "50/50" balls so often going to the opponents.  I don't think it is a question of effort, but it could be related to positioning.  Maybe all the switching on defense leads to guys being out of position and crashing to the boards when the shot goes up, leaving players on the opposing team open for those loose ball opportunities.  If it seems like the other team is always in the right place at the right time, there could very well be a reason for that.

[mul21]

37 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I would say there probably is an explanation for those "50/50" balls so often going to the opponents.  I don't think it is a question of effort, but it could be related to positioning.  Maybe all the switching on defense leads to guys being out of position and crashing to the boards when the shot goes up, leaving players on the opposing team open for those loose ball opportunities.  If it seems like the other team is always in the right place at the right time, there could very well be a reason for that.

I'm not even talking 50/50 balls.  I'm talking about plays like the one last night where the ball got tapped from behind, bounced off the rim and went right to Purdue for a wide open 3 or a dunk, I don't recall which.  Just oddball plays that don't necessarily have any rhyme or reason seem to be landing in the other team's hands in opportune positions all the time.  That and the amazing ability to miss 400 shots from inside 5 feet every game.

[gflore34]

2 hours ago, mul21 said:

It's frustrating to watch B1G officiating normally but the lack of calls on Edey is even more so.  I've also never seen a team as talented and that gives as much effort as Illinois have so many balls bounce right into the hands of the opposing team for easy buckets or wide open shots.  It seemingly happens 2-3 times a game and I have no explanation for it.

I could definitely see a coach pulling a Lute Olson - whining/lobbying the media and officials about the lack of calls on Edey and his physicality - in the tournament on Purdue.

[scarey]

2 hours ago, gflore34 said:

I could definitely see a coach pulling a Lute Olson - whining/lobbying the media and officials about the lack of calls on Edey and his physicality - in the tournament on Purdue.

They've been doing it all year. Izzo almost lost a lung complaining about it last week.

Painter complained about not getting calls AGAINST Edey through his first 3 years, and they finally started calling them near the end of last year. They still miss a bunch of hooks on Edey every game, but this is what college basketball refing is.

I am in no way saying you shouldn't be upset about it, but this is how things work in the NCAA. If you are a national player of the year candidate, whistles will blow more often in your favor.

[gflore34]

13 hours ago, scarey said:

They've been doing it all year. Izzo almost lost a lung complaining about it last week.

Painter complained about not getting calls AGAINST Edey through his first 3 years, and they finally started calling them near the end of last year. They still miss a bunch of hooks on Edey every game, but this is what college basketball refing is.

I am in no way saying you shouldn't be upset about it, but this is how things work in the NCAA. If you are a national player of the year candidate, whistles will blow more often in your favor.

That never happened for Kofi, ever, and he was a national player of the candidate.

Edited March 7, 2024 by gflore34

[squally1313]

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/big-ten-basketball-tournament-schedule-bracket

Can anyone who follows CBB more than me tell me if this schedule makes sense? Specifically, the all night games part, and then the championship game tipping off at 5:30 central on Sunday part. Kinda assumed any/all games on that Sunday would be early afternoon to feed into the bracket selection show, which has always been late afternoon. Waiting on the Big 10 game would put the selection basically in prime time, right? 

Really asking because we've always done a family get together for the big 10 game and the selection show, and that gets a lot tougher on a sunday if it goes until like 10:00

[mul21]

8 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/big-ten-basketball-tournament-schedule-bracket

Can anyone who follows CBB more than me tell me if this schedule makes sense? Specifically, the all night games part, and then the championship game tipping off at 5:30 central on Sunday part. Kinda assumed any/all games on that Sunday would be early afternoon to feed into the bracket selection show, which has always been late afternoon. Waiting on the Big 10 game would put the selection basically in prime time, right? 

Really asking because we've always done a family get together for the big 10 game and the selection show, and that gets a lot tougher on a sunday if it goes until like 10:00

Looks like they're just leaning into the championship game not mattering to the selection committee because according to this, the selection show starts at 5:00 central time.  Very odd choice.  https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2024-03-01/2024-selection-sunday-date-schedule-tv-times

[Rex Buckingham]

That schedule is clearly incorrect unless they're playing at 2 venues because I'm pretty positive they don't have 2 courts at the Target Center and cannot play games simultaneously... or I'm an idiot, who knows

[Ding Dong Johnson]

That schedule is incorrect.

https://bigten.org/sports/2023/9/14/2024_MBB_Tourn.aspx

[scarey]

10 hours ago, gflore34 said:

That never happened for Kofi, ever, and he was a national player of the candidate.

Get a better NPoY candidate? Or give the refs bigger bribes. That one seems to work for me.

[Old Style]

UCF playing BYU in the Big 12 still seems so weird to me. 

[Ding Dong Johnson]

1 hour ago, Old Style said:

UCF playing BYU in the Big 12 still seems so weird to me. 

I didn't realize until recently that Houston was in the Big 12. It's such a weird conference now.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Even somehow weirder than the B1G