Blackhawks 2023-24 Season - Bedard luck this year

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[Y2J]

Does any hockey fan believe the 2005 lottery wasn't rigged for Pittsburgh? Empty arena, the team just survived bankruptcy, was threatening a move to Kansas City, Mario Lemieux was quite vocal about how much the team needed Crosby, even being willing to come out of retirement to play with him as an owner/player, and... bam! Bettman, coming out from behind a closed curtain, announces the 1st overall pick would go to the Pittsburgh Penguins. 

I believed all season that as long as Chicago finished bottom 5, which was pretty well a lock, that they would win the lottery for Bedard. How the NHL pulled it off? Who knows? But is rigging a vacuum and some ping pong balls really all that difficult? Seems most college engineering students could probably pull that off.

The argument that the NHL didn't want a generational talent going to Anaheim absolutely holds water. They didn't want their next superstar talent playing in a city where home games don't begin until a lot of the country is already in bed. 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

53 minutes ago, Y2J said:

Does any hockey fan believe the 2005 lottery wasn't rigged for Pittsburgh? Empty arena, the team just survived bankruptcy, was threatening a move to Kansas City, Mario Lemieux was quite vocal about how much the team needed Crosby, even being willing to come out of retirement to play with him as an owner/player, and... bam! Bettman, coming out from behind a closed curtain, announces the 1st overall pick would go to the Pittsburgh Penguins. 

I believed all season that as long as Chicago finished bottom 5, which was pretty well a lock, that they would win the lottery for Bedard. How the NHL pulled it off? Who knows? But is rigging a vacuum and some ping pong balls really all that difficult? Seems most college engineering students could probably pull that off.

The argument that the NHL didn't want a generational talent going to Anaheim absolutely holds water. They didn't want their next superstar talent playing in a city where home games don't begin until a lot of the country is already in bed. 

 

If it's not that difficult to rig the ping-pong balls, then surely you can explain a simple way to do it. It's not hard, right?

Who is this "NHL" you are talking about as if they're a single person who wants a single thing?  The NHL isn't a person. The NHL is a confederation of 32 owners, none of which became billionaires by sitting around letting another billionaire make money that could be going to them.

[UMFan83]

The last player that received as much (or more) hype as Bedard was McDavid.  The team with the 3rd highest odds, Edmonton, landed him despite teams like Toronto and Philadelphia being in reasonable range to land the pick.  I don't care what you think about the Oilers as a franchise and their history in the 80s or whatever, Edmonton was one of the worst potential markets for him to go to.  There's no conspiracy, the Blackhawks had the 3rd best odds and their number happened to be called. 

Hear the same thing in the NBA and the most hyped prospect since LeBron ended up in San Antonio.  Zion and AD were also both ridiculously hyped and they ended up in New Orleans.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If it's a conspiracy when a player goes to a big market, and it's a conspiracy when they got to a struggling market, then there's not a lot of places left they can go where it's not a conspiracy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If it's a conspiracy when a player goes to a big market, and it's a conspiracy when they got to a struggling market, then there's not a lot of places left they can go where it's not a conspiracy.

[Y2J]

12 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

The last player that received as much (or more) hype as Bedard was McDavid.  The team with the 3rd highest odds, Edmonton, landed him despite teams like Toronto and Philadelphia being in reasonable range to land the pick.  I don't care what you think about the Oilers as a franchise and their history in the 80s or whatever, Edmonton was one of the worst potential markets for him to go to.  There's no conspiracy, the Blackhawks had the 3rd best odds and their number happened to be called. 

Hear the same thing in the NBA and the most hyped prospect since LeBron ended up in San Antonio.  Zion and AD were also both ridiculously hyped and they ended up in New Orleans.

Arizona has had the 2nd best odds at the 1st overall pick three different times, the 3rd best odds one time, and the 4th best odds one time. They've never won pick. 

Chicago has had the 3rd best odds twice (Bedard, Toews), and the 5th best odds once (Kane). They won the pick twice.

Since you brought them up, Edmonton has been awarded the 1st overall selection more times (4) than any other team since the draft was installed, including three consecutive years. In 2014, they drafted 3rd overall and then 1st overall again in 2015 to get McDavid. Their odds of such a streak occurring... 0.3%. Maybe it was a run of insane luck and maybe it wasn't. 

[Y2J]

Also, for what it's worth, no team in the Pacific time zone has ever won the 1st overall pick. 

[UMFan83]

14 minutes ago, Y2J said:

Arizona has had the 2nd best odds at the 1st overall pick three different times, the 3rd best odds one time, and the 4th best odds one time. They've never won pick. 

Chicago has had the 3rd best odds twice (Bedard, Toews), and the 5th best odds once (Kane). They won the pick twice.

Since you brought them up, Edmonton has been awarded the 1st overall selection more times (4) than any other team since the draft was installed, including three consecutive years. In 2014, they drafted 3rd overall and then 1st overall again in 2015 to get McDavid. Their odds of such a streak occurring... 0.3%. Maybe it was a run of insane luck and maybe it wasn't. 

Why exactly is the NHL rigging the draft for Edmonton again?  And then why Chicago?  Why did the NBA rig the lottery so Cleveland would win it 3 times in a 4 year span?  Oh because they were trying to help out the Cavs after they lost LeBron.  You can always find a story to craft to fit your narrative if you try hard enough.  

[Y2J]

34 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Why exactly is the NHL rigging the draft for Edmonton again?  And then why Chicago?  Why did the NBA rig the lottery so Cleveland would win it 3 times in a 4 year span?  Oh because they were trying to help out the Cavs after they lost LeBron.  You can always find a story to craft to fit your narrative if you try hard enough.  

I don't watch the NBA.

As for the NHL, I believe there are only 8 teams that make enough to contribute to NHL revenue sharing. Guess who one of those teams is. When Chicago brings in money it means more revenue sharing. That's good for everyone.

[Brian707]

The good thing about conspiracies is you can continually pivot everytime someone proves flaws in said conspiracy 

See also:

2020 election deniers

Elvis is alive

Flat Earthers

Holocaust deniers

Moon landing hoax

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Brian707

[NorthsideAvenger]

Why is it that the only time I hear about the draft lottery being rigged in the NHL is when there is a "generational talent" to be had? 

[WrigleyField 22]

12 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Why is it that the only time I hear about the draft lottery being rigged in the NHL is when there is a "generational talent" to be had? 

Tbf would be a whole heck of a lot of work.  Maybe a good opportunity for trial runs to test out the rigging systems though 

[BigbadB]

21 hours ago, Y2J said:

Does any hockey fan believe the 2005 lottery wasn't rigged for Pittsburgh? Empty arena, the team just survived bankruptcy, was threatening a move to Kansas City, Mario Lemieux was quite vocal about how much the team needed Crosby, even being willing to come out of retirement to play with him as an owner/player, and... bam! Bettman, coming out from behind a closed curtain, announces the 1st overall pick would go to the Pittsburgh Penguins. 

I believed all season that as long as Chicago finished bottom 5, which was pretty well a lock, that they would win the lottery for Bedard. How the NHL pulled it off? Who knows? But is rigging a vacuum and some ping pong balls really all that difficult? Seems most college engineering students could probably pull that off.

The argument that the NHL didn't want a generational talent going to Anaheim absolutely holds water. They didn't want their next superstar talent playing in a city where home games don't begin until a lot of the country is already in bed. 

 

And the Blackhawks deserved to have the lottery rigged in their favor for what reason? Hey, where exactly was Lovie Smith on the day of the lottery draft order anyway? 

[NorthsideAvenger]

1 hour ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Tbf would be a whole heck of a lot of work.  Maybe a good opportunity for trial runs to test out the rigging systems though 

If you look at the first 7 teams in ';23 draft, you could have made a case for rigging the draft for any of them. So this idea that the NHL rigged it for the Hawks is pretty out there even for salty fans. 

 

[Derwood]

Do I really think it was rigged? No.

But if I did, I would say it was rigged more AGAINST Bedard ending up in Arizona or Columbus rather than FOR him ending up in Chicago

[Y2J]

2 hours ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Why is it that the only time I hear about the draft lottery being rigged in the NHL is when there is a "generational talent" to be had? 

That's exactly when you would want to manipulate the draft. Bedard going to the least valuable franchise in the NHL isn't good for the sport. In years in which there isn't a generational talent, why would you care to manipulate the results? Who makes the NHL more money over their career, Connor Bedard or Owen Power? Bedard or Nico Hischier? Bedard or Aaron Ekblad? Surely you get the point.

[Y2J]

1 hour ago, BigbadB said:

And the Blackhawks deserved to have the lottery rigged in their favor for what reason? Hey, where exactly was Lovie Smith on the day of the lottery draft order anyway? 

I already explained it. Revenue sharing. There are only, I believe, 8 teams who make enough money to contribute to revenue sharing in the NHL. Chicago is one of them. Chicago returning to the pre-Rocky days isn't just bad for the Blackhawks, but bad for the league as a whole. 

[Y2J]

1 hour ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

If you look at the first 7 teams in ';23 draft, you could have made a case for rigging the draft for any of them. So this idea that the NHL rigged it for the Hawks is pretty out there even for salty fans. 

 

Absolutely not. The NHL does not want a generational talent like Bedard going to the least valuable franchise in the league, who play their games in a time zone where East coast fans are going to bed. See also, Anaheim. The NHL has always had an East coast bias. 

I've been a Blackhawks fan since 1994. Why would I be salty over the NHL manipulating the draft so that my team gets Bedard? For what it's worth, I won $6,400 on FD betting on the Hawks to win the 1st overall pick. It was pretty obvious. 

[Brian707]

McDavid going to a Canadian team that probably makes the least money and plays in Mountain time zone we should just ignore that? They had the 3rd best odds to get Bedard, it wasn't like they had a 1% chance

 

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Edited October 3, 2023 by Brian707

[UMFan83]

3 minutes ago, Y2J said:

I already explained it. Revenue sharing. There are only, I believe, 8 teams who make enough money to contribute to revenue sharing in the NHL. Chicago is one of them. Chicago returning to the pre-Rocky days isn't just bad for the Blackhawks, but bad for the league as a whole. 

Canadiens are also going through a long rebuild, bring in more revenue and are worth more as a franchise, they had 2% worse odds, why not rig it for them?  Other teams in the top 10 (level for revenue sharing, not 8 ) include Detroit, Philadelphia and Washington.  Was there some backdoor deal that allowed the Blackhawks to get the benefit of the rigging, just 1 year after an embarrassing scandal?   The Maple Leafs (the most valuable brand in the sport and in the middle of a stretch of 1 playoff appearance in 11 years) and Flyers were high in the 2015 draft lottery order, why did they give it to middling Edmonton? 

[Y2J]

Just now, Brian707 said:

McDavid going to a Canadian team that probably makes the least money and plays in Mountain time zone we should just ignore that?

 

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I mentioned it earlier in the thread. The Oilers won the 1st overall pick three years in a row, another 3rd overall pick, and the 1st overall pick again. The odds for them going on that particular streak of luck comes out to 0.3%. So, decide for yourself. 

[UMFan83]

3 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

McDavid going to a Canadian team that probably makes the least money and plays in Mountain time zone we should just ignore that? They had the 3rd best odds to get him, it wasn't like they had a 1% chance

 

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I figured the Oilers were at the bottom too, they're actually in the middle and were before McDavid.  The Canadian teams seem to have more value relative to their market size than their US counterparts.  Does that mean it makes sense to give McDavid to Edmonton?  Not at all.  Think of how much more visibility McDavid would have with Toronto, one of the few Canadian teams that casual American fans care about at all.  Or Philadelphia, a great US hockey market on the east coast where there is apparently bias towards.

 

[minnesotacubsfan]

I don’t care if it’s rigged, the BHawks got BEDARD and the rest of the NHL. can suck it

 

[UMFan83]

4 minutes ago, Y2J said:

I mentioned it earlier in the thread. The Oilers won the 1st overall pick three years in a row, another 3rd overall pick, and the 1st overall pick again. The odds for them going on that particular streak of luck comes out to 0.3%. So, decide for yourself. 

What does that even mean?  You aren't explaining why the Oilers got all that lottery luck, just that they got it.

So far you've said things are rigged for:

-East coast teams (Edmonton is not on the east coast)

-High profile teams (Edmonton is not a high profile team)

-Teams that are revenue sharing contributors (Edmonton is not a revenue sharing contributor)

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by UMFan83