Week 1 - Packers @ Bears - Soldier Field - September 10th 3:25PM

[jts1207]

4 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

If I’m a highly prized QB and the Bears are in the position to take me I’d tell my agent to send out signals that I won’t play for Chicago. Irrational or not it’s a QB graveyard. Doesn’t matter the FO or coaching staff you’ll be a bust if you end up in Chicago. Actually if im a highly prized QB and the Bears are zeroing in on me, I might start to doubt my own worth as a QB. 

Williams dad already mentioned thid

[minnesotacubsfan]

3 minutes ago, Old Style said:

Fields wasn’t great today but the play calling was atrocious. And don’t get me started on the lack of pressure on Love. Did we blitz at all or just keep rushing 4 hoping eventually they’ll pressure the QB on their own?

We repeatedly rushed 4 against one of the leagues better o lines

[minnesotacubsfan]

4 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

There are two depressing possibilities and one horrifically depressing possibility.

It may be possible that Fields is a talented QB and this coaching staff is trash in terms of unlocking that potential and utilizing his talent to the best of his abilities.

It may also be possible that Fields is fool's gold who can't be trusted to make reads and place the ball with any accuracy more than five yard downfield, and the coaching staff is doing everything they can to gameplan away from those flaws.

Worst of all, both options could be true.

Fields deep ball is arguably one of the best in the leaguE. He just holds onto the ball too long if he isn’t 100% sure of the play. Last year that made some sense because Poles went into the season with a jv wr corps, but this season it doesnt

 

[jts1207]

8 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

they had all of training camp and 3 preseason games to get ready and were completely owned. That is 100% Eberflus

 

 

flu’s thought Fields going 3/3 in preseason on screens was all he needed to see

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

The Bears Oline was so poor that I think  its nearly impossible to make any worthwhile judgements about the future of anyone involved. They were really bad. Possibly even drugged before the game started. I still think Fields is basically Vick with no talent surrounding him. 

[UMFan83]

I just watched highlights of Jalen Carter today and I've concluded that the Bears are not a serious franchise.

OK fine, I was concerned about the character stuff too and it might still blow up in their faces but geez, what he did today against NE is exactly what the Bears needed today on defense.  7 pressures I believe.  I have no idea how to look up that stat (pressures) but I guarantee you the Bears as a team didnt have 7

[UMFan83]

Maybe this was always a low key tank year number 2 for Poles.  I realize he didnt build a contender, but most people thought the Bears improved.  But thinking about it, he barely got to the salary floor, drafted a RT with his top 10 pick, focused the biggest part of his FA spending on linebackers and not much on pass rushing or pass blocking.  He did get a WR, but then game planned to throw short passes and screens.  The LB will be useful in future seasons, the RT will develop and hopefully be good, Moore is here for the next 3 years after this one.  But as assembled maybe Poles is shooting for another 3-14 but just being less blatant about it.

Or maybe he just doesnt know what he's doing

Edited September 11, 2023 by UMFan83

[CubinNY]

57 minutes ago, raw said:

Agree with this. It will be obvious. What won't be is if Poles is capable of finding the guy that is, if Fields isn't and if Flus and co. are capable of coaching the guy that is. 

Fields not making it, undoubtedly, will lead to another: Pace, Nagy, Trubisky or Emery, Trestman, Cutler or Angelo, Lovie, Grossman, or Hatley, Jauron, McNown. 

Fields has enough talent. He’s got the same flaws he had on draft day when the Bears took him. They’ve had two years to evaluate and coach up his weaknesses. If the game moves to fast for him, as it appears it does, they should have figured that out a long time ago. That’s not coachable. I don’t mean the mental part of the game either. 

whether he’s going to make it should have been sussed out well before today. He’s looks like the same damn guy and the Bears are the same damn team, as they were last year. 
 
It’s only one game to be sure, but wow did they ever lay an egg. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think Fields is exactly what he's always been going back to his college scouting reports:  A guy who is as  talented as you can possibly be in everything *except* processing defenses, which unfortunately is possibly the most important skill an nfl QB can have.  

[NorthsideAvenger]

The Chicago Bears:

 

 

 

[We Got The Whole 9]

I don't care that the score was 7-6 for a while and 10-6 into the half, that game was effectively over on the Kmet whatever you wish to call it stupid ass horsefeathers call. It was slow to develop and it seemed like not a single player was committed on that play, especially Kmet. It didn't catch anyone off guard, and they followed it up with a pitiful Fields sneak. I get it, you want to score on your first possession, but that set a horrible tone for the game.

 

They might as well not even motion anybody because when they do everyone on offense looks confused. The OL with the back to back false starts was just clownshoes. It's inexcusable how unprepared they looked today. There was a rusher free and in Fields vicinity on almost every pass play. I don't see him or anyone adjusting the protection very often. Guarantee nobody on that line grades over a 60. That whole line was horrendous.

 

I hated watching Jay Cutler play QB but I would take Cutler offense over Trubisky offense any day. Yeah he's gonna throw some passes that are gonna make you rip your hair out, but at least he's giving his receivers a chance to make some plays. I cannot stand this bottled up screen heavy horsefeathers wackness. 

 

Fields was so bad. His clock is almost non-existent. He still moves into pressure. His release is loong, he is way too easy to read and it's obvious that he cannot throw against a zone. There is no doubt that he left points on the field because he just couldn't process what he was seeing.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I wish the Bears would stop crapping the pants at the sight of the Packers.

Edited September 11, 2023 by NorthsideAvenger

[CubinNY]

I’m retrospect, perhaps it wasn’t a good idea to not play a lot in the preseason. The penalties, the out of sync plays, the lack of understanding, all of it. The team wasn’t ready to play a game. 

[CubinNY]

Also, can you imagine how bad the offense was in practice if they we’re behind that putrid defense? 

[gflore34]

I had bad vibes after his dismal display against Buffalo and it carried over to game 1.  Unfortunately, Fields is clearly not the answer, he checks every box but, the most important, the ability to read defenses.  We've 16 more games of inane play calling because the Bears OC is not only terrible but, he's got a bad QB as well.  So looking forward to run, run, run run, easily read screen passes, run, run, run, run, rinse and repeat. 

I believe our only hope for seeing another good Bears team in our lifetimes is a change in ownership.  They clearly got the GM wrong again, there's a  good chance they'll never get it correct.

Edited September 11, 2023 by gflore34

[Soul]

I thought maybe a night’s sleep would make me feel better about this.  You know, new day, Sun always rises, that kind of thing.

But no.  Unfortunately this was simply a huge disappointment with all kinds of damning implications for the Bears.

[Brian707]

Sports talk radio should be interesting today.

[gflore34]

Fields can take his post game apology to us fans and shove it up his ass,  I'm tired of that BS.

[BigbadB]

1 hour ago, Soul said:

I thought maybe a night’s sleep would make me feel better about this.  You know, new day, Sun always rises, that kind of thing.

But no.  Unfortunately this was simply a huge disappointment with all kinds of damning implications for the Bears.

This is actually one of the most disappointing games in my lifetime. While I was half ass expecting a playoff berth this year, signs of improvement for a long and happy future would have been all I needed this year. This game couldn't have gone worse. How do you have an entire offseason to prepare and be this bad at EVERYTHING? 

You recognize that you need pass catching, and you go get them and proceed to not throw to them. You beef up the line and instead of providing protection, you don't even collect fees at your turnstyle, you just send them on through. You know the DLine is inarguably the worst position on the field, and you rush 4 guys the entire game against a top 10 OLine. There was no attempt to disrupt their line of protection to the QB. Fields was just not good. He didn't look comfortable out there at any moment. As has been stated, he looked down his receivers the few times he had time to throw, and that rarely ever works. I don't even know where to begin with the playcalling. 

Bears fans endured two really bad seasons while this new front office got "their" guys and rebuilt this team from scratch. I get that there were massive changes and these guys are all still not in sync with one another on the field, but they had to be better than they were yesterday, and they weren't. We were going against a rival that has owned our asses for more years than anyone here wants to talk about, and we laid an egg on our home turf. I'm speechless that this is the best we could offer up to the fans. A passing attack that features DJ Moore, Mooney, Claypool, Kmet, Tonyan and how many times were they targeted? This is a passing league and most of the pass plays were behind the line of scrimmage when you have guys who can spread out the defense with the best of them. Do they not have any timing plays in their playbook? If the rush is bad, put the ball where the receiver runs to. The DB's don't know where the ball is going or where the receiver is going. Spread the field and the running game works better. We talk about having a great defensive backfield, but none of them are ever going to be used to go after the QB on a basic blitz? Create disruption. Reverse momentum. Create some confidence. This team lacked disruption, momentum and confidence, and I blame the coaching staff for all of that.

H.I.T.S. doesn't work if you play lazy Cover 2 for an entire game. Opposing teams are very familiar with Cover 2 and you have to mix things up to keep them honest. Dallas comes at you from all directions. While we aren't Dallas talented on D, you can't just be vanilla and expect to create turnovers.

[BigbadB]

12 hours ago, Omar said:

Was Greg Olsen right in terms of being critical of the offense/coaching for lack of urgency down 14-38 with like 3:30 to go? He was really laying it on them. 

Yes. Olsen was 100% correct. Fans pay hundreds of dollars to see professional athletes try their best to win every game and until the clock says 0:00, you play your heart out. Who cares if the odds of winning is less than 1%, there is a lot that can be accomplished with time left on the clock. Hurry up offense is something that needs to be practiced, and during an actual live game is the best time to work on hurry up offensive drills, if not for that game but for future close games. Time management is extremely important to understand and execute. 

I was mad as hell when they were huddling up late in the game. I knew the game was over, but it showed a lack of care that they were losing to huddle up and waste time on the clock. They looked bad the entire game, but looked even worse when waving the white flag against a division rival with a lot of time still on the clock. 

[gflore34]

12 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

Yes. Olsen was 100% correct. Fans pay hundreds of dollars to see professional athletes try their best to win every game and until the clock says 0:00, you play your heart out. Who cares if the odds of winning is less than 1%, there is a lot that can be accomplished with time left on the clock. Hurry up offense is something that needs to be practiced, and during an actual live game is the best time to work on hurry up offensive drills, if not for that game but for future close games. Time management is extremely important to understand and execute. 

I was mad as hell when they were huddling up late in the game. I knew the game was over, but it showed a lack of care that they were losing to huddle up and waste time on the clock. They looked bad the entire game, but looked even worse when waving the white flag against a division rival with a lot of time still on the clock. 

I agree, if you're going just roll over what's the point?  Might as well just let Bagent run a few plays, at least, he'll try.

Edited September 11, 2023 by gflore34

[raw]

I watched all the drop backs on an all-22 video someone put together. And I don't think Fields' problem is reading the defense, per se. It's all about anticipation to me. There were some plays there if he would just grip it and rip it. Maybe that is part of processing, not seeing it quick enough, but he's looking right at WRs right as they gain leverage and are clearly about to be open for a long enough window to throw cleanly into. He seems to be too worried about what will happen if the WR isn't ready. He's gotta trust his guys, especially DJ, who is a great WR and Claypool who is a big enough target that he should be able to prevent any INTs with his size. 

But again, there were a lot of guys just not open. Route concepts were bad. Curls against tight man coverage. Crossers running into zone defenders. There were more vertical routes than I expected to see, but a LOT of them are decoys, guys not looking for the ball just running defenders off to try to open up the guy underneath. These things are never just 1 person at fault.

For all we heard about Fields being more comfortable in the offense in Year 2.....he didn't look comfortable in the offense. IDK if it was because the gameplan wasn't geared to fit his strengths or if it only looked good because they were practicing against a crap defense all camp or whether they've been blowing smoke up our asses for 3 months.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Looking where you're supposed to look and not getting rid of it *is* the processing problem.

He's clearly studied the playbook thoroughly, understands pre-snap reads and what his progressions are.

What he has always struggled with is that whatever part of his brain is supposed to trigger and say "that's it, that's what we're looking for, throw it" doesn't trigger consistently unless the receiver has extremely visible separation, which won't always be there in the NFL.

[gflore34]

8 minutes ago, raw said:

I watched all the drop backs on an all-22 video someone put together. And I don't think Fields' problem is reading the defense, per se. It's all about anticipation to me. There were some plays there if he would just grip it and rip it. Maybe that is part of processing, not seeing it quick enough, but he's looking right at WRs right as they gain leverage and are clearly about to be open for a long enough window to throw cleanly into. He seems to be too worried about what will happen if the WR isn't ready. He's gotta trust his guys, especially DJ, who is a great WR and Claypool who is a big enough target that he should be able to prevent any INTs with his size. 

But again, there were a lot of guys just not open. Route concepts were bad. Curls against tight man coverage. Crossers running into zone defenders. There were more vertical routes than I expected to see, but a LOT of them are decoys, guys not looking for the ball just running defenders off to try to open up the guy underneath. These things are never just 1 person at fault.

For all we heard about Fields being more comfortable in the offense in Year 2.....he didn't look comfortable in the offense. IDK if it was because the gameplan wasn't geared to fit his strengths or if it only looked good because they were practicing against a crap defense all camp or whether they've been blowing smoke up our asses for 3 months.

There's really no excuse for the above, maybe, someone should tell him if doesn't just let rip he's going to be ex-Bear and perhaps, ex-NFLer very, very soon.

[jts1207]

Slightly OT: Did chicitysports get hacked lol