Week 1 - Packers @ Bears - Soldier Field - September 10th 3:25PM

[Brian707]

28 minutes ago, Old Style said:

The most depressing thing is that I cannot think of one positive to come from yesterday's game. 

The McCaskeys are losing leverage asking for tax payer dollars in Arlighton Heights with every embarrassing loss

[minnesotacubsfan]

4 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

The McCaskeys are losing leverage asking for tax payer dollars in Arlighton Heights with every embarrassing loss

that's the thing, not only can they not build a football team, they cant even build a stadium on land they own and it's all from their own incompetence

 

[UMFan83]

Packers had 35 pressures yesterday vs. the Bears 6 pressures.  Here is how the OLine did

 

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by UMFan83

[gflore34]

10 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

If I were an NFL coach trying to save my job and reputation here, I would give Fields maybe 1-2 more games to show he can play like a normal QB, and when that inevitably fails, pivot into the full "run-first QB" offense and hope to get half a season out of that before defenses catch up and/or he gets hurt.

How will the "run-first-QB' save your job?  It's not sustainable and you've no chance of consistently winning, why not just go balls to walls with Fields?  I believe you've got a better shot at winning with an aggressive approach.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fun with arbitrary statistical cutoffs and ad hoc list creation:

 

Career starts with at least 225 yards and 2 tds passing:

Rex Grossman - 14

Mitch Trubisky - 13

Shane Matthews - 5

Sam Darnold - 5

Ryan Leaf - 2

Jamarcus Russell - 2

Jordan Love - 1

Josh Rosen - 1

Tim Tebow - 0

Justin Fields - 0

[gflore34]

1 minute ago, UMFan83 said:

Packers had 35 pressures yesterday vs. the Bears 6 pressures

How many of the pressures were a result of Fields holding on to the ball too long?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

3 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

How will the "run-first-QB' save your job?  It's not sustainable and you've no chance of consistently winning, why not just go balls to walls with Fields?  I believe you've got a better shot at winning with an aggressive approach.

We scored some points with it last season for a month.  It's not sustainable but it might squeak you out some job saving wins.

[UMFan83]

More fun stats:  The Bears pass rush win rate was 10%, the lowest mark for any team since 2021

[CubinNY]

11 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

 

yes, Love did not look stellar yesterday at all. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

3 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

How many of the pressures were a result of Fields holding on to the ball too long?

I actually dont think many yesterday. There were 1-2 glaring examples, but  Fields was far better at dumping the ball off. The question is why he couldn't find anything downfield

[UMFan83]

1 minute ago, CubinNY said:

yes, Love did not look stellar yesterday at all. 

Agreed.  Packers fans dont want to hear it but he has accuracy issues.  If he was being pressured at a normal rate I think he would have had a poor game.  He made the passes he needed to though...that one lob pass TD in the corner of the end zone was nice, but similar to Fields he can have nice throws but also miss on simple ones.

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 minute ago, CubinNY said:

yes, Love did not look stellar yesterday at all. 

is that real or just some rando posting on twitter

[gflore34]

2 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

yes, Love did not look stellar yesterday at all. 

There's nothing special about him, wouldn't be surprised if yesterday' game and their game in Lambeau against the Bears turnout to be his career highlights.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

7 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

More fun stats:  The Bears pass rush win rate was 10%, the lowest mark for any team since 2021

Braxton Jones is bad, Nate Davis is a run blocker and the rest of the interior ol is scraps.

[UMFan83]

2 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

is that real or just some rando posting on twitter

I think its real, PFF posts their top graded players for offense and defense for free, the 5th highest graded PAckers offensive player was around 66 and Love wasn't on their top 5

Here's more fun:

 

 

[UMFan83]

2 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Braxton Jones is bad, Nate Davis is a run blocker and the rest of the interior ol is scraps.

The stat I posted was the Bears defensive pass rush win rate I believe

[PackLandVA]

6 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

yes, Love did not look stellar yesterday at all. 

Another reason so many people question and/or are puzzled by PFF grades. Love has the highest QBR so far in Week 1. I thought Love was good, made some plays, and didn’t really do anything to hurt the Packers. Certainly areas to improve to all in all a pretty good performance.

As far as Fields, I’m as baffled as many of you why he/the coaches didn’t take many shots beyond 10 yards.  Maybe not early or in the first half.  But by late in the second half, let it go.

Anyway, it’s Game 1/Preseason Game 4. No team or fan too should be too high or too low after 1 week. Niners crapped the bed last year in week 1 and won 14 of the next 16 games. 

[UMFan83]

4 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

Another reason so many people question and/or are puzzled by PFF grades. Love has the highest QBR so far in Week 1. I thought Love was good, made some plays, and didn’t really do anything to hurt the Packers. Certainly areas to improve to all in all a pretty good performance.

I thought he missed several easy throws, hit a couple of good ones, sounds very similar to a typical Fields game.  The question is how he looks when hes facing an opponent that doesn't have the lowest pass rush win rate in 2 seasons, though the Packers oline is good so he'll have more games where hes protected well.  Most QBs can hit throws when they are comfortable in the pocket....I just didn't see anything particularly impressive from him.  But no means was he bad but he looks more in the line of average to slightly above average more than anything special.  But its just one game and I'm a Bears fan so I don't know what good QBing looks like

Edited September 11, 2023 by UMFan83

[UMFan83]

Some PFF grades for the Bears are leaking out

Darnell Wright - 72.1 (highest of any Bear on offense, grades out to basically average)

Roschon Johnson - 71.5

D'Onta Foreman - 68.5

Khalil Herbert - 65.5

Darnell Mooney - 63.8

Justin Fields - 60.9 (82.0 rushing, 49.4 passing)

Nate Davis - 48.6 (26.8 pass blocking grade)

Cody Whitehair - 47.2

Chase Claypool - 43.2

Lucas Patrick - 43.2

Also Braxton Jones had a 89.9 pass blocking grade. Must have done really poorly in run blocking, plus im not sure how penalties are factored in

Edited September 11, 2023 by UMFan83

[Brian707]

8 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

 

Anyway, it’s Game 1/Preseason Game 4. No team or fan too should be too high or too low after 1 week. Niners crapped the bed last year in week 1 and won 14 of the next 16 games. 

Yup, week 1 is time for overreactions across the league. However, what pisses me off the most about yesterday is the Bears looked unprepared.

[gflore34]

2 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

Yup, week 1 is time for overreactions across the league. However, what pisses me off the most about yesterday is the Bears looked unprepared.

Don't think there 's much overreaction on the Bears, what we saw was a continuation of '22 compounded by their lack preparedness.  I don't recall preparedness being issue last season.

[UMFan83]

And some defensive grades:

Zacch Pickens - 75.6

Jack Sanborn - 58.6

Yannick Ngakoue - 58.5

Gervon Dexter - 56.9

Dominique Robinson - 55.2

Tremaine Edmunds - 51.2

DeMarcus Walker - 50.6

TJ Edwards - 49.3

Justin Jones - 45.9

Rasheem Green - 37.7

 

Just an atrocious game all around based on PFF grades (and everyone's eyes)

Edited September 11, 2023 by UMFan83

[UMFan83]

6 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

Yup, week 1 is time for overreactions across the league. However, what pisses me off the most about yesterday is the Bears looked unprepared.

I'll admit we are doing some overreacting but its different when a team like the 49ers lays an egg, and a team with the worst record in football last year plays horrendous

[Hairyducked Idiot]

35 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Packers had 35 pressures yesterday vs. the Bears 6 pressures.  Here is how the OLine did

 

 

It's been two years of watching Jones look miserable on game day every single week only for pff to come out on Monday and swear that he was good.

I honestly wonder about those rumors that pff takes money from agents to tweak grades...

[We Got The Whole 9]

8 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's been two years of watching Jones look miserable on game day every single week only for pff to come out on Monday and swear that he was good.

I honestly wonder about those rumors that pff takes money from agents to tweak grades...

There's always the possibility that you don't know what you're looking at. 

 

You really think they're trying to pad the stats of a 5th round nobody?