Week 10 Lions @ Justin Fields (-2), Noon Fox

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Lmao SIX routes?

 

 

One of those was his only "catch", which was basically a forward hand off.

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Was Jaylon Johnson playing hurt in that game? He got beat consistently yesterday. I thought I saw him leave the game early at one point and came back. I'm assuming that if he was back, he wasn't anywhere close to 100%.

 

He was on the injury report all week. And yeah, he did leave during one of the Detroit TD drives early in the game. So he wasn't 100%, but honestly, he's never been the best at covering guys running across the field. He's a boundary guy that uses the sidelines and plays well outside the numbers. But he's always been a guy that you can run away from on crossers or in-breaking routes. He doesn't have that type of turn and run ability.

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People I do not like as football players:

 

Braxton Jones. I just don't get it. All I ever hear from Bears fans is how he's adequate and isn't it amazing that a fifth-round pick is playing this adequately at starting tackle. And I just have no idea what they're seeing. I'm seeing a guy who gets beat routinely, gives up at least one crushing sack every single game, and who would be giving up even more if he didn't have Fields' scrambling to bail him out. On a real team he'd be fighting for a roster spot to try to scrape out a few years as a swing tackle. He's being gifted a starting job for a season because we don't care, not because he's a real prospect.

 

All of our WR3+ options. With the addition of Claypool, we have two WR2s and everyone else is a WR5 or worse.

 

Jack Sanborn. I'm glad he had some impact plays today. I think it's cool that he's living the dream and worked his butt off to get his brief time in the sun. But as soon as next year we're going to be trying to win playoff games, and if he's on the field against a good QB in the playoffs he's going to get absolutely torched on every third down play. I hate when people can't tell the difference between a good story and an actually good player.

 

Honorable mention: Kyler Gordon. He's doing ok-ish for a rookie corner, and no corner is going to perform well in front of this pass rush, but he is flying under the radar a bit in terms of being bad at his job and not getting noticed.

 

So yeah, this is a symptom of having a team with no talent. Braxton Jones is probably going to be adequate. He has shown flashes, especially in the run game. He's struggled against some pretty good pass rushers. But yeah, he was absolutely handed the starting LT job when he wasn't ready for it. And he absolutely needs to get stronger in the weight room in the offseason. He should be a guy that's the weak link on a solid OL, instead he's 1 of 4 just like him.

 

All the WRs are whatever. St. Brown is showing why he was WR5 for Green Bay. He should be an 8-10 snap a game type of WR. Pringle, I'm guessing to the nod over Harry and Velus yesterday because of his ability to play the slot. They've been kind of playing Mooney there a bunch, and it's not his ideal role. But none of those guys will be on the team next year, except Velus, and even that's in doubt if he can't be active with this current group.

 

Sanborn played really well yesterday. But he's probably going to be a guy that's a SAM LB next year. He'll get rewarded for a solid end of this year and be considered a "starter" in the base defense, but in reality, he'll only play 20-30% of the snaps. He's good in run defense, and a liability vs the pass, so if he's on the field, you either have to blitz him or he'll be torched by TEs/RBs. They'll bring in 2 guys better than him this offseason.

[gflore34]

Maybe he got him in throat area? Appears his right cleat got caught in the turf when and it was worsened by Johnson pushing him, don't know if the flag was warranted. Does appear the offensive lineman got as close to the face as Johnson did, why not a flag there as well?

 

[Old Style]

horsefeathers the refs. I'm still pissed about the loss.

[gflore34]

horsefeathers the refs. I'm still pissed about the loss.

 

One can say well, the Bears were up by 14 in the fourth, they should have put it away however, officiating almost literally handed the Lions a TD they should have never scored. Bears' defense is bad enough, don't need the officiating handing the opponents gifts when they actually make a good play.

[jersey cubs fan]

I’m so sick of pro tank simps that love losing

I don't like losing. The higher draft pick positioning is just how I talk myself into not being as upset when horsefeathers like today happens.

Yeah, I do the same. But there are people celebrating this stuff and being incredibly proud of their disdain for people that think the bears should be able to beat the lions at home.

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Maybe he got him in throat area? Appears his right cleat got caught in the turf when and it was worsened by Johnson pushing him, don't know if the flag was warranted. Does appear the offensive lineman got as close to the face as Johnson did, why not a flag there as well?

 

 

I'm guessing that the Lions coaching was on that referee about Johnson using his hands to the face all game. That was right by the Lions sideline. He had just called a hands to the face on Johnson the play before that as well. So pretty safe assumption that the coaches saw Johnson using his hands high and said something to that ref. And the ref saw hands high, WR hit the ground, assumed he got him in the face, and threw the flag.

[gflore34]

Maybe he got him in throat area? Appears his right cleat got caught in the turf when and it was worsened by Johnson pushing him, don't know if the flag was warranted. Does appear the offensive lineman got as close to the face as Johnson did, why not a flag there as well?

 

 

I'm guessing that the Lions coaching was on that referee about Johnson using his hands to the face all game. That was right by the Lions sideline. He had just called a hands to the face on Johnson the play before that as well. So pretty safe assumption that the coaches saw Johnson using his hands high and said something to that ref. And the ref saw hands high, WR hit the ground, assumed he got him in the face, and threw the flag.

 

Even if that's true, in general, if one is hit in the face their head, their helmet would certainly snap back or, if Johnson got him in the throat. I'd think Benson' hands would have been reaching for his throat - don't see that either. Just terrible, if I'm the Bears staff, I pounce on the officials before, during and after the Atlanta game, constantly be in their ears to call what they SEE not what the other team' sideline is telling them to call.

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Maybe he got him in throat area? Appears his right cleat got caught in the turf when and it was worsened by Johnson pushing him, don't know if the flag was warranted. Does appear the offensive lineman got as close to the face as Johnson did, why not a flag there as well?

 

 

I'm guessing that the Lions coaching was on that referee about Johnson using his hands to the face all game. That was right by the Lions sideline. He had just called a hands to the face on Johnson the play before that as well. So pretty safe assumption that the coaches saw Johnson using his hands high and said something to that ref. And the ref saw hands high, WR hit the ground, assumed he got him in the face, and threw the flag.

 

Even if that's true, in general, if one is hit in the face their head, their helmet would certainly snap back or, if Johnson got him in the throat. I'd think Benson' hands would have been reaching for his throat - don't see that either. Just terrible, if I'm the Bears staff, I pounce on the officials before, during and after the Atlanta game, constantly be in their ears to call what they SEE not what the other team' sideline is telling them to call.

 

Obviously, it's a terrible call. But if the ref has any defense, he heard that "this guy uses hands to the face" and said guy just used hands to the face on the previous play (that was also a bad call, but he did make contact with the face on that one), then he sees hands contact a guy and him just drop, he probably assumed he hit him in the face or throat, even if he didn't actually see it.

 

It's just like any other call, part of it is reactionary. Guys hold all the time, but the ref usually sees a defender flailing to get away from the hold. Or see a WR react before calling DPI. Or see Goff slide into the bench before calling a late hit out of bounds. They are human and assume certain things based on certain reactions. Which is why penalties should quickly be reviewed and some official be like, "nah, that's clean" or "hey that's not a clean play" and them pick up the flag or throw a flag when needed.

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I too, like others have said, am pissed about the loss. Having later draft picks hasn't stopped perennial contenders from perennially contending. While, I'd love to pick top 3 and have a team give the Bears a king's ransom for one of the top QBs, I want to win. I want Justin to win. He deserves to win.

 

I mentioned this in the thread, during the game, but dude is as close to single-handedly putting up numbers. The Bears are the highest scoring team in the NFL over the last 4 weeks. 31 points per game. 29+ in every single game in the last 4. And we can give credit to Getsy, Kmet for being a vital receiver, the OL for holding up the few times that they do....but this is ALL Justin horsefeathering Fields.

 

Obviously, he's a record breaking runner of the ball, but it's not because of this masterful scheme Getsy is calling (he is calling the game well, though). But Justin is just the best athlete on the field. He's getting the edge against guys playing contain. He's breaking tackles of 300lb linemen. He's outrunning multiple guys spying on him with the specific intent of not letting him run the ball.....and he's still breaking off 60 yard TDs. On read options, he's holding DEs with his threat to run and RBs are running right past them for 8+ yard gains. The one drive that ended in the 1st Kmet TD, Fields was 4-4 for 53 yards. He held onto the ball all damn day. It's not because the OL did a great job. It's because the DEs were intentionally not getting up the field because Fields had torched them running the ball already (and this was before the 67 yard TD run). The drive after, Herbert ripped off 21 yards on 2 carries, then the threat of Fields running caused both safeties to come up and leave Kmet wide open on the opposite side.

 

There is no answer for a player when he's playing like this. You try to stop the RBs, Fields beats you with his legs. You try to stop Fields' legs, the RBs gash the middle of the D. You try to keep Fields in the pocket, he'll stay there and rip you apart. You try to rush him, he breaks your tackle and either finds an open man or runs over your safety and takes him out of the game with a concussion.

 

Justin Fields is literally a 1-man show at this point. Just imagine if find 1 or 2 more offensive players even remotely on his level? Just an adequate OL. Just 1 guy capable of making a play like Jefferson did for the Vikings yesterday (maybe not that play specifically, but you get the point).

 

While I'm extremely frustrated to be the 1st team ever to lose 3 straight games with over 29 points, I'm extremely excited about what could be. They are extremely close. 5 of 7 losses are by 1 score. They aren't doing this like previously good Bears teams that get a special teams score, or a defensive score boosting up their PPG. They are scoring on offense for a change. And they are scoring almost exclusively because of the QB.

[UMFan83]

Am I the only one that’s irrationally upset the Bears didn’t get one of those 2 point conversions against the cowboys so the stat could be 30+ points in 3 straight games and lost? It also keeps the Bears from matching that 2020 stretch where Mitch said horsefeathers it and torched bad defenses

 

Also who would have ever guessed the Chicago Bears would be the proud owner of that accomplishment?

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The talent difference between drafting 7th compared to 12th isn't as important as the differences in FO abilities as well as random chance (injuries/scheme/etc).

 

They'll need to learn how to win close games and I'd rather see it sooner rather than later.

 

If Poles has a similarly bad draft as last year, it won't matter where they draft.

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i can't stop watching fields highlights

[BigSlick]

This is the first loss in the last 3 games where I am relatively upset they lost. Not for any huge material reason beyond: it’s good for Fields to learn how to win from behind, it’s good for the coaching staff to learn how to overcome awful officiating and how to run a 2 minute drill, etc.

 

Fields had a real bad play in a crucial situation, and he ran a somewhat bad 2 minute drill (under awful pressure contributed by a very bad pass blocking Oline). That’s a shame. On the whole he had a B+ game.

 

Want to see the Bears offensive staff (the best they’ve had in decades) work Fields into more rhythm passes from the start. Want to see Claypool worked in more. That’s most of it.

[Tim]

I'm seeing this "learn how to win" narrative everywhere today. We know in baseball that performance in close games is essentially random and reverts to overall team quality. This is in spite of "TWTW" and other false narratives over the years.

 

Can anyone provide compelling evidence there a difference in football? My guess is that games that end within a few points are essentially random. Please convince me otherwise. I will start by saying that I have no evidence for my position. However, it seems to be a more logical hypothesis than the whole TWTW or "knowing how to win", etc.

[UMFan83]

Blending the fantasy chat into this thread because it involves Fields:

 

Over the last 4 weeks Fields is QB12 IF you only counted his passing stats.

 

Over the last 4 weeks Fields is RB4 IF you only counted his rushing stats (and he's not able to benefit from receptions like RBs are)

 

So you are basically starting a low end QB1 and a top tier RB1 in the same roster slot. Crazy

[minnesotacubsfan]

Blending the fantasy chat into this thread because it involves Fields:

 

Over the last 4 weeks Fields is QB12 IF you only counted his passing stats.

 

Over the last 4 weeks Fields is RB4 IF you only counted his rushing stats (and he's not able to benefit from receptions like RBs are)

 

So you are basically starting a low end QB1 and a top tier RB1 in the same roster slot. Crazy

 

yea, I said it several weeks ago in a game thread but Fields is like having Barry Sanders, QB.

 

Really would love to see him build on his passing game, tho. I know there are questions at OL and WR, but I want him to continue to hit wr's in the hands, pick apart a zone D, etc

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which mediocre exec did it better?

 

pace leaving the bears fields

 

hendry leaving the cubs baez

[UMFan83]

which mediocre exec did it better?

 

pace leaving the bears fields

 

hendry leaving the cubs baez

 

Javy is probably my favorite Cub ever and I'm probably high on Fields right now but definitely Pace leaving the Bears Fields. Franchise QB is that important. Javy was very good at his peak and easily the most entertaining baseball player I've ever gotten to root for but his peak was not as elite as what Fields is hinting at.

[mul21]

I'm seeing this "learn how to win" narrative everywhere today. We know in baseball that performance in close games is essentially random and reverts to overall team quality. This is in spite of "TWTW" and other false narratives over the years.

 

Can anyone provide compelling evidence there a difference in football? My guess is that games that end within a few points are essentially random. Please convince me otherwise. I will start by saying that I have no evidence for my position. However, it seems to be a more logical hypothesis than the whole TWTW or "knowing how to win", etc.

 

I have no evidence either, but I think there's something to be said for this theory from a QB perspective. There's a reason guys like Brady and Rodgers have come back to win a million times. Yes, it's mostly because they're great QBs overall, but they also operate at a high level under pressure very frequently. The team as a whole, probably not really as big of a factor but I think it's a real thing for QBs.

[Brian707]

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Blending the fantasy chat into this thread because it involves Fields:

 

Over the last 4 weeks Fields is QB12 IF you only counted his passing stats.

 

Over the last 4 weeks Fields is RB4 IF you only counted his rushing stats (and he's not able to benefit from receptions like RBs are)

 

So you are basically starting a low end QB1 and a top tier RB1 in the same roster slot. Crazy

 

He was dropped in my work (money) league the week that he blew up. I started him vs. NE because Brady was my QB and he made me angry (started Mariota over him previously). Then I didn't start Fields because I expected a rough game vs. Dallas. But he is singlehandedly taking me from a team that was 2-5, to a playoff spot now and favored to upset the #1 team next week and potentially pull into 2nd place overall at 6-5 if I win and the 2nd place team loses. My point total is near the top of the league now and I'm still getting nothing from the WR/TE positions.

[UMFan83]

PFF grades:

 

[minnesotacubsfan]

your qb is a world beater and pff gives him a 67 grade......are we sure these are accurate?