2022 Trade Deadline

[PackLandVA]

Soto's still in the game for the Nats, so there's that.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Are there any examples of players with similar minor league stat lines to that of Vientos that have gone on to have sustained success in the big leagues?

 

Spot checking some leaderboards: Matt Chapman, Aaron Judge, Fernando Tatis Jr., Ian Happ, Joey Gallo

 

Other than Gallo, these guys didn’t have quite the swing-and-miss that Vientos does. As a an ancillary piece in a deal with the Mets, sure, fine. As a headliner in a trade for any of Willy, Happ, or Robertson? No thanks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Are there any examples of players with similar minor league stat lines to that of Vientos that have gone on to have sustained success in the big leagues?

 

Spot checking some leaderboards: Matt Chapman, Aaron Judge, Fernando Tatis Jr., Ian Happ, Joey Gallo

 

Other than Gallo, these guys didn’t have quite the swing-and-miss that Vientos does. As a an ancillary piece in a deal with the Mets, sure, fine. As a headliner in a trade for any of Willy, Happ, or Robertson? No thanks.

 

They did, you have to remember that K rates have jumped up in recent years. AAA K rates now are nearly 5% higher this year than they were 5 years ago.

[CubinNY]

If the Cardinals do get Soto let’s at lest hope they paid a fair price. Edited July 31, 2022 by CubinNY

[Hairyducked Idiot]

How is it not today? Thanks Biden

[Bobson Dugnutt]

 

Spot checking some leaderboards: Matt Chapman, Aaron Judge, Fernando Tatis Jr., Ian Happ, Joey Gallo

 

Other than Gallo, these guys didn’t have quite the swing-and-miss that Vientos does. As a an ancillary piece in a deal with the Mets, sure, fine. As a headliner in a trade for any of Willy, Happ, or Robertson? No thanks.

 

They did, you have to remember that K rates have jumped up in recent years. AAA K rates now are nearly 5% higher this year than they were 5 years ago.

 

What does a 30.9% AAA K-rate translate to in the majors? There’s only 4 qualified players in the bigs with a rate that high this season, one of them, incidentally, being Patrick Wisdom. The others: Brandon Marsh, Eugenio Suarez, Luke Voit. All useful players, so he can be successful, but it seems like a very narrow path.

 

And, personal preference coming into play here but, aesthetically, even if he hits his best case scenario, a guy that Ks in a third of his PAs is just not the type of hitter I’d want anchoring 1B or DH. I know contact+power is a rare commodity but I’d just as soon spend our most useful assets in what I hope is our last deadline as sellers elsewhere.

[Bertz]

 

Impossible to tell if this is a good shake or a bad shake but does kinda look like resolution one way or the other

Any idea what the package going to the Nationals would look like?

 

We discussed on here a week or two back that Baseball Trade Values is probably a bit high, but if you use that as a benchmark you're looking at two of Carlson/Gorman/Walker, plus two of Liberatore/Graceffo/Winn.

 

It's gonna hurt, but that's the price you pay to build a lineup that's gonna put up like 7 runs a game.

[Bertz]

[Bertz]

Looks like Brett jumped the gun and Hosmer is now so bad he gets removed for defense late in games?

[CubinNY]

Cubs are off tomorrow. Should be an interesting day for an off day.

[Tryptamine]

The NYM reporters seem to think the Cubs want Vientos but the Mets aren't interested. Obviously Baty and Alvarez aren't on the table, but if neither Vientos or Ramirez are available, then I see nothing worth discussing. If Mauricio is the lead piece, I'd be incredibly pissed off. The guy has the plate discipline of Baez without all elite level talent.

[Gilby]

Not that the trade would be about getting Hosmer if it happened, but I do wonder if he could be sneaky useful in a world with no shifting.

[Tryptamine]

I know the flurry of moves are still to come, but man has this been a slow trade deadline. Vogelbach, Benintendi and Castillo are the only notable moves and we have like 36 hours to go.

[CubinNY]

Big picture, small picture

 

In the big picture, it would not be a good thing for the Cubs if the Cardinals get Soto. In the small picture, it might be a good thing for the Cubs if the Cardinals get Soto as the losers in the bidding war for Soto might be more interested in Happ and Willy. Overall, the Cardinals getting Soto would suck so much only mitigated by the potential loss of the top of their system.

[Bertz]

I know the flurry of moves are still to come, but man has this been a slow trade deadline. Vogelbach, Benintendi and Castillo are the only notable moves and we have like 36 hours to go.

 

Soto is holding everything up. If Padres lose out on Soto I think they grab the Happ/Contreras package. If the Cards lose out they pivot to Montas, and are probably favorites there. Montas is holding up the entire SP market, and Jed can't deal Contreras or Happ solo until he has resolution on whether the Padres deal, so that's holding up a bunch more stuff.

 

I think basically everything is in a holding pattern, and once there's resolution on Soto we see an avalanche of transactions.

 

I am curious how much longer the dam can hold. If the Nats are taking their sweet time, at what point do the Cards or Padres just have to move on?

[Backtobanks]

Big picture, small picture

 

In the big picture, it would not be a good thing for the Cubs if the Cardinals get Soto. In the small picture, it might be a good thing for the Cubs if the Cardinals get Soto as the losers in the bidding war for Soto might be more interested in Happ and Willy. Overall, the Cardinals getting Soto would suck so much only mitigated by the potential loss of the top of their system.

 

The Cardinals will find a way in the future with trading away some of their top prospects simply because they're the Cardinals. Somehow these two low-to-middle size payroll teams (Cards & Brewers) seem to stay competitive while we have to go into 3-4 year rebuilds after becoming competitive.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I think it’s highly unlikely that it actually happens, but Rosenthal mentioned that the Padres have discussed trading for all three of Contreras, Happ, Robertson. Just for fun, what does the return look like from the Padres should we send them all three?

[sneakypower]

Big picture, small picture

 

In the big picture, it would not be a good thing for the Cubs if the Cardinals get Soto. In the small picture, it might be a good thing for the Cubs if the Cardinals get Soto as the losers in the bidding war for Soto might be more interested in Happ and Willy. Overall, the Cardinals getting Soto would suck so much only mitigated by the potential loss of the top of their system.

 

The Cardinals will find a way in the future with trading away some of their top prospects simply because they're the Cardinals. Somehow these two low-to-middle size payroll teams (Cards & Brewers) seem to stay competitive while we have to go into 3-4 year rebuilds after becoming competitive.

the Cardinals draft & develop amazingly well

[We Got The Whole 9]

Big picture, small picture

 

In the big picture, it would not be a good thing for the Cubs if the Cardinals get Soto. In the small picture, it might be a good thing for the Cubs if the Cardinals get Soto as the losers in the bidding war for Soto might be more interested in Happ and Willy. Overall, the Cardinals getting Soto would suck so much only mitigated by the potential loss of the top of their system.

 

The Cardinals will find a way in the future with trading away some of their top prospects simply because they're the Cardinals. Somehow these two low-to-middle size payroll teams (Cards & Brewers) seem to stay competitive while we have to go into 3-4 year rebuilds after becoming competitive.

the Cardinals draft & develop amazingly well

Their 5th rounder from last year was basically called a plug and play 4th starter and is graded a 50. The HS SS they took in the 2nd in 2020 is a 50+, excelling in AA already.

 

On top of that they landed a 60 3B after we took Wicks.

That is what's most infuriating to me. They're just simply better than us at every turn.

Edited August 1, 2022 by We Got The Whole 9

[jersey cubs fan]

[Tryptamine]

 

I'm officially baffled. Has there ever been a case where the division leader traded their closer at the deadline?

[CubinNY]

 

The Cardinals will find a way in the future with trading away some of their top prospects simply because they're the Cardinals. Somehow these two low-to-middle size payroll teams (Cards & Brewers) seem to stay competitive while we have to go into 3-4 year rebuilds after becoming competitive.

the Cardinals draft & develop amazingly well

Their 5th rounder from last year was basically called a plug and play 4th starter and is graded a 50. The HS SS they took in the 2nd in 2020 is a 50+, excelling in AA already.

Yes, most Cub fans have no idea how bad the Cubs are at this sort of thing.

[jersey cubs fan]

[itisallpartoftheplan]

Taylor Rogers and more heading to Milwaukee

[sneakypower]

kings ransom wtf Preller