Week 7: Bears at Buccaneers

[gflore34]

I'm going to exaggerate a bit but, why is it every other team in the history of the NFL is able to go to some quick passing game to take pressure off their QB except the Bears? It's absolutely beyond comprehension, is it really that difficult to execute?

 

I think the Bears are trying the quick passing game. The problem is the extent of their quick passing game is to have all the WRs run 5 yards, turn and stop. Stop routes don't work to Fields' strengths as he doesn't anticipate throws well. He's not a guy that's going to have the ball out before a WR comes out of his break. He's a "see it open, throw it" type of QB (Cutler was too FWIW). So, the coaching staff is doing him no favors.

 

Also, the Bears haven't executed or maybe even attempted a screen pass since the long Cohen TD in 2018. Isn't that supposedly the best way to slow down a pass rush?

 

There was a screen attempt yesterday, of course, it was late in the fourth during garbage time. You'd think they would have, you know, prepared for the blitz with such plays, sure didn't appear so. If the Cleveland game wasn't an indicator Nagy should have been fired this game should be, you, me, the whole world knew Tampa Bay was going to come at them with blitz after blitz. Apparently, Nagy and Co. didn't get the memo.

[gflore34]

Watch, ownership will finally grow a pair and fire Nagy, next guy will install some basic stuff, like screens, play to Fields' strengths and it'll be like a horsefeathering revelation. They'll start to resemble an offense putting some points on the board.

[BigSlick]

Watch, ownership will finally grow a pair and fire Nagy, next guy will install some basic stuff, like screens, play to Fields' strengths and it'll be like a horsefeathering revelation. They'll start to resemble an offense putting some points on the board.

 

There appears to be some sort of metaphysical force that stops the Bears from having a current generation, professional level offense. I do not think any change, from a coaching perspective, QB perspective, GM perspective, will ever change it. It will remain this way until I am dust.

[jersey cubs fan]

Watch, ownership will finally grow a pair and fire Nagy, next guy will install some basic stuff, like screens, play to Fields' strengths and it'll be like a horsefeathering revelation. They'll start to resemble an offense putting some points on the board.

i'll watch that

[gflore34]

Watch, ownership will finally grow a pair and fire Nagy, next guy will install some basic stuff, like screens, play to Fields' strengths and it'll be like a horsefeathering revelation. They'll start to resemble an offense putting some points on the board.

 

There appears to be some sort of metaphysical force that stops the Bears from having a current generation, professional level offense. I do not think any change, from a coaching perspective, QB perspective, GM perspective, will ever change it. It will remain this way until I am dust.

 

We used to think along those same lines regarding the Cubs winning the WS, anything can happen. Of course, it did take an ownership change so, you may be correct.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Its likely the same issue the Cubs had, a very understaffed, small operation. Would it surprise anyone if Halas Hall was like 3 guys and a janitor?

[UMFan83]

Watch, ownership will finally grow a pair and fire Nagy, next guy will install some basic stuff, like screens, play to Fields' strengths and it'll be like a horsefeathering revelation. They'll start to resemble an offense putting some points on the board.

 

There appears to be some sort of metaphysical force that stops the Bears from having a current generation, professional level offense. I do not think any change, from a coaching perspective, QB perspective, GM perspective, will ever change it. It will remain this way until I am dust.

 

I was just thinking last night that I'd love to have a Cutler era offense again where, while never great, could generally move the ball and score points. Sad that our offense is at the point where I'm pining for Cutler-level production and limiting the number of embarrassing performances like yesterday or against Cleveland

[UMFan83]

 

Is....there a particular reason that he's highlighting the long losing streaks that he has presided over?

[Soul]

Watch, ownership will finally grow a pair and fire Nagy, next guy will install some basic stuff, like screens, play to Fields' strengths and it'll be like a horsefeathering revelation. They'll start to resemble an offense putting some points on the board.

 

There appears to be some sort of metaphysical force that stops the Bears from having a current generation, professional level offense. I do not think any change, from a coaching perspective, QB perspective, GM perspective, will ever change it. It will remain this way until I am dust.

 

We used to think along those same lines regarding the Cubs winning the WS, anything can happen. Of course, it did take an ownership change so, you may be correct.

 

Using the Cub example, we have 72 years to go.....and a few ownership changes.

 

My yet-to-be-conceived grandchildren may see it!

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Is....there a particular reason that he's highlighting the long losing streaks that he has presided over?

 

or better yet, why he feels the losing happening before the lack of scoring. Maybe he should consider it the other way, lack of scoring creating losing streaks?

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Is....there a particular reason that he's highlighting the long losing streaks that he has presided over?

Telling us he has no concern about losing his job.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Is....there a particular reason that he's highlighting the long losing streaks that he has presided over?

Telling us he has no concern about losing his job.

 

secret extensions?

[Soul]

 

Is....there a particular reason that he's highlighting the long losing streaks that he has presided over?

 

or better yet, why he feels the losing happening before the lack of scoring. Maybe he should consider it the other way, lack of scoring creating losing streaks?

 

Maybe he should just go.

[gflore34]

 

Is....there a particular reason that he's highlighting the long losing streaks that he has presided over?

 

Seriously? This MF'er needs to be shown the door like now, how could any ownership just sit back and let this moron continue to coach their team?

[Soul]

 

Is....there a particular reason that he's highlighting the long losing streaks that he has presided over?

 

Seriously? This MF'er needs to be shown the door like now, how could any ownership just sit back and let this moron continue to coach their team?

 

Maybe that's why ownership is "fed up." Nagy walking the halls telling people remember those other long losing streaks?

[JeffH]

Its likely the same issue the Cubs had, a very understaffed, small operation. Would it surprise anyone if Halas Hall was like 3 guys and a janitor?

 

The janitor is actually one of the three guys.

[UMFan83]

[raw]

 

My God.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

My God.

I think some of this debate is being treated like it is mutually exclusive.

 

Fields does hold into the ball a bit long and should improve. His line is letting up a high rate of quick pressures which forces sacks/TOs. Part of that is Fields isn't fast enough to bail out of the bad situations. To that last point, it's also very likely his receivers aren't giving him outlets or good primary routes.

 

Theres a lot of true things at once. Some people are acting incredulous at any suggestion Fields holds the ball too long. But thst shouldn't be a controversial opinion to hold.

[UMFan83]

This is a pretty damn good breakdown of all the things working against Fields: https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2021/10/25/justin-fields-is-in-an-impossible-position-right-now/

 

I'll list a couple of examples from the article:

 

• Michael David Smith points out that Justin Fields has been sacked more than any other QB in the league, despite rankings 30th(!) in pass attempts. In fact, Fields is sacked 14.4% of the time he drops back to pass, while no other QB in the NFL is even at 10%.

 

• Steve Palazzolo has a twist on that data, noting that Fields is sacked on 33.3% of pressured drop backs, which is highest in the NFL (Baker Mayfield is the only other QB above 30%). And with a tip of the hat to @DownBadBears, I’ll add that Lachavious Simmons posted a 0.0 pass blocking grade this past Sunday. Zero. Point. Zero.

 

• To that end, Christian Williams chimes in, explaining that just 14% of Fields sacks have been “on him,” (which is to say credited only to the QB), which ranks 15th in the NFL, better than Zach Wilson and Trevor Lawrence for comparison. Meanwhile, he’s got the 11th highest rate of sacks where the offensive line shoulders responsibility.

 

• You want to talk about pressure? NextGen Stats has us covered in that department, too. In short, Fields has a 20.9% chance of being pressured three seconds after the snap, ranking as the worst mark in the NFL since he took over as the starter.

 

• Furthermore, NextGen Stats reports that there’s a 50/50 chance Fields will be pressured before making a pass attempt just 3.8 seconds after the snap, which is a half-second worse than the NFL average (4.3 seconds). Not a half-second worse than some of the best teams, a half-second worse than AVERAGE. That is awful.

 

It goes on to talk but other issues like none of the receivers seem to be getting open. More at the link. This doesn't absolve Fields of his mistakes but it helps explain why everything looks broken and why he's not put in a position to succeed.

[WrigleyField 22]

I think theres still a few things missing from those stats.

 

1. It would be interesting to see % of quick throws regardless of pressure. If you dink and dunk you can get lots of quick hits that lower TTT since you get it out before the D pressures. Whether because of play design/scheme or receiver ability, that isn't on the line.

 

2. While Fields % of relative sacks that are "totally on him" per PFF might be low relative to total sacks, it's still high relative to total pass attempts. And it doesn't mean the other 17 sacks are totally on the line, but perhaps shared. That one tweet going out with no rate basis is leading to some bad takes IMO.

 

Not trying to defend the line. Obviously they've done a good enough job in the run game. It's not a good pass D. Whether they're worst in the league or not, I'm a bit more skeptical. Certainly not good enough, but I think the receivers and coaching are at least as important for this offseason. I already can see the OL boner type fans getting going.

 

Just as an antectdoal case study though, let's not ignore what J'Mar Chase, instead of Sewell, is doing for Burrow.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Hey remember last year when I said we should take a year to catch our breath from backloading cap hits and start building the foundation like the offensive line before we drafted a QB?

[WrigleyField 22]

Hey remember last year when I said we should take a year to catch our breath from backloading cap hits and start building the foundation like the offensive line before we drafted a QB?

Yea. It's still a bad take too.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Hey remember last year when I said we should take a year to catch our breath from backloading cap hits and start building the foundation like the offensive line before we drafted a QB?

Yea. It's still a bad take too.

 

Doctor it hurts when I go like this

[WrigleyField 22]

If there one big mistake from last offseason it was the trade up for Jenkins. And I admit I loved it at the time. Could have stayed put and took Creed Humphrey, another guy I liked and still had a third. Which I guess they may have used on Borom? Or for another support piece for Fields and the O.