Week 7: Bears at Buccaneers

[WrigleyField 22]

Hey remember last year when I said we should take a year to catch our breath from backloading cap hits and start building the foundation like the offensive line before we drafted a QB?

Yea. It's still a bad take too.

 

Doctor it hurts when I go like this

I have no idea what that means.

[UMFan83]

I think theres still a few things missing from those stats.

 

1. It would be interesting to see % of quick throws regardless of pressure. If you dink and dunk you can get lots of quick hits that lower TTT since you get it out before the D pressures. Whether because of play design/scheme or receiver ability, that isn't on the line.

 

2. While Fields % of relative sacks that are "totally on him" per PFF might be low relative to total sacks, it's still high relative to total pass attempts. And it doesn't mean the other 17 sacks are totally on the line, but perhaps shared. That one tweet going out with no rate basis is leading to some bad takes IMO.

 

Not trying to defend the line. Obviously they've done a good enough job in the run game. It's not a good pass D. Whether they're worst in the league or not, I'm a bit more skeptical. Certainly not good enough, but I think the receivers and coaching are at least as important for this offseason. I already can see the OL boner type fans getting going.

 

Just as an antectdoal case study though, let's not ignore what J'Mar Chase, instead of Sewell, is doing for Burrow.

 

I mean year there are just so many things wrong with the offense right now that its hard to correctly assign the right amount of blame. I think we can definitely stand to improve at WR too though having another deep threat WR type will not help Fields when he has 2 seconds to throw lol.

 

It's just all so broken they need to start over again this offseason. Keep Fields, Mooney, Monty (and/or Herbert), a couple of the offensive linemen including Jenkins replace everyone else including coaches.

[17 Seconds]

Yea. It's still a bad take too.

 

Doctor it hurts when I go like this

I have no idea what that means.

 

don't go like that

[BigSlick]

i think its positively bizarre to pass on a quarterback you may think is a franchise player because you don't have the line in order yet

 

the solution is to....get the line in order! its a lot harder to find a franchise QB than it is to make a serviceable offensive line.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Doctor it hurts when I go like this

I have no idea what that means.

 

don't go like that

Okay I get that part. But don't go like what?

 

The idea they shouldn't have gone after Fields in that spot becaus the line wasn't built out? (Dumb, and they still went and at least tried to add two pieces anyways). The idea they shouldn't have spent money because of the cap? Dumb and wrong.

Edited October 25, 2021 by WrigleyField 22

[17 Seconds]

I have no idea what that means.

 

don't go like that

Okay I get that part. But don't go like what?

 

The idea they shouldn't have gone after Fields in that spot becaus the line wasn't built out? (Dumb, and they still went amd at least tried to add two pieces anyways). The idea they shouldn't have spent money because of the cap? Dumb and wrong.

 

i'm not agreeing with him, i think he's just saying the bears shouldn't keep bringing promising QBs into bad situations and expect it to ever be different

[WrigleyField 22]

 

don't go like that

Okay I get that part. But don't go like what?

 

The idea they shouldn't have gone after Fields in that spot becaus the line wasn't built out? (Dumb, and they still went amd at least tried to add two pieces anyways). The idea they shouldn't have spent money because of the cap? Dumb and wrong.

 

i'm not agreeing with him, i think he's just saying the bears shouldn't keep bringing promising QBs into bad situations and expect it to ever be different

There ain't nothing wrong with bringing in the right QB and fixing things around him along the way.

[raw]

If there one big mistake from last offseason it was the trade up for Jenkins. And I admit I loved it at the time. Could have stayed put and took Creed Humphrey, another guy I liked and still had a third. Which I guess they may have used on Borom? Or for another support piece for Fields and the O.

 

I wanted to stay put and hope for Samuel Cosmi. Last I looked he was the highest rated rookie OL in football per PFF. I loved Jenkins as a prospect, but I felt the Bears needed more of a guy who could play LT instead of a RT. I loved the player, hated the trade up even at the time. Ironically though, Jenkins was going to be handed the LT position in Chicago and Cosmi is at RT for WFT. Cosmi also went 1 pick before the Bears original pick to Washington. If the Bears had stayed put and the draft still unfolded the way it did (Bears started a run of 6 OTs in 15 picks), I would have LOVED Terrace Marshall in the 2nd and Spencer Brown in the 3rd. If Cosmi's not still the top rookie OT, then I'm pretty sure it's Brown who's been pretty good for Buffalo so far. Would have been a killer draft and still possible to get Borom, Herbert, and Tonga.

[jumbo]

 

don't go like that

Okay I get that part. But don't go like what?

 

The idea they shouldn't have gone after Fields in that spot becaus the line wasn't built out? (Dumb, and they still went amd at least tried to add two pieces anyways). The idea they shouldn't have spent money because of the cap? Dumb and wrong.

 

i'm not agreeing with him, i think he's just saying the bears shouldn't keep bringing promising QBs into bad situations and expect it to ever be different

 

The problem is that the offense and defense were polar opposites. The defense is a win-now unit and the offense was and is a complete mess, worse than a bad situation. In 2020 the team sold out on more defense with Quinn, practically no help to the offense except Foles. After teh team limped into the extra playoff spot ownership was too scared to can Pace and Nagy and went with status quo, hoping that the team would catch lightning in a bottle with Mitch out of the way and the promise of Andy Dalton? I can't even believe it as I write it. Such a comedy of errors

[WrigleyField 22]

If there one big mistake from last offseason it was the trade up for Jenkins. And I admit I loved it at the time. Could have stayed put and took Creed Humphrey, another guy I liked and still had a third. Which I guess they may have used on Borom? Or for another support piece for Fields and the O.

 

I wanted to stay put and hope for Samuel Cosmi. Last I looked he was the highest rated rookie OL in football per PFF. I loved Jenkins as a prospect, but I felt the Bears needed more of a guy who could play LT instead of a RT. I loved the player, hated the trade up even at the time. Ironically though, Jenkins was going to be handed the LT position in Chicago and Cosmi is at RT for WFT. Cosmi also went 1 pick before the Bears original pick to Washington. If the Bears had stayed put and the draft still unfolded the way it did (Bears started a run of 6 OTs in 15 picks), I would have LOVED Terrace Marshall in the 2nd and Spencer Brown in the 3rd. If Cosmi's not still the top rookie OT, then I'm pretty sure it's Brown who's been pretty good for Buffalo so far. Would have been a killer draft and still possible to get Borom, Herbert, and Tonga.

I don't care about the side thing in Jenkins but in hindsight got too caught up bein excited about a guy I liked as a possible pick at 20. Seemed like a steal, but yea there were multiple options, either at Tackle or elsewhere (I know you glossed over the Humphrey suggestion, but Mustipher probably is the weakest part of this line)

[minnesotacubsfan]

Okay I get that part. But don't go like what?

 

The idea they shouldn't have gone after Fields in that spot becaus the line wasn't built out? (Dumb, and they still went amd at least tried to add two pieces anyways). The idea they shouldn't have spent money because of the cap? Dumb and wrong.

 

i'm not agreeing with him, i think he's just saying the bears shouldn't keep bringing promising QBs into bad situations and expect it to ever be different

 

The problem is that the offense and defense were polar opposites. The defense is a win-now unit and the offense was and is a complete mess, worse than a bad situation. In 2020 the team sold out on more defense with Quinn, practically no help to the offense except Foles. After teh team limped into the extra playoff spot ownership was too scared to can Pace and Nagy and went with status quo, hoping that the team would catch lightning in a bottle with Mitch out of the way and the promise of Andy Dalton? I can't even believe it as I write it. Such a comedy of errors

I mean, yes the owners suck too

 

But yay Arlington (?)

[champaignchris]

Hey remember last year when I said we should take a year to catch our breath from backloading cap hits and start building the foundation like the offensive line before we drafted a QB?

 

I might have agreed with this, but this year’s qb draft class is abysmal.

[raw]

If there one big mistake from last offseason it was the trade up for Jenkins. And I admit I loved it at the time. Could have stayed put and took Creed Humphrey, another guy I liked and still had a third. Which I guess they may have used on Borom? Or for another support piece for Fields and the O.

 

I wanted to stay put and hope for Samuel Cosmi. Last I looked he was the highest rated rookie OL in football per PFF. I loved Jenkins as a prospect, but I felt the Bears needed more of a guy who could play LT instead of a RT. I loved the player, hated the trade up even at the time. Ironically though, Jenkins was going to be handed the LT position in Chicago and Cosmi is at RT for WFT. Cosmi also went 1 pick before the Bears original pick to Washington. If the Bears had stayed put and the draft still unfolded the way it did (Bears started a run of 6 OTs in 15 picks), I would have LOVED Terrace Marshall in the 2nd and Spencer Brown in the 3rd. If Cosmi's not still the top rookie OT, then I'm pretty sure it's Brown who's been pretty good for Buffalo so far. Would have been a killer draft and still possible to get Borom, Herbert, and Tonga.

I don't care about the side thing in Jenkins but in hindsight got too caught up bein excited about a guy I liked as a possible pick at 20. Seemed like a steal, but yea there were multiple options, either at Tackle or elsewhere (I know you glossed over the Humphrey suggestion, but Mustipher probably is the weakest part of this line)

 

Creed Humphrey was a guy worthy of a 1st round pick as well, who would have been a steal in the 2nd. But he was never a realistic pick for the Bears. They didn't bring in a vet to compete with Mustipher in the offseason. They surely weren't going to give him competition (or replace him) with a rookie, no matter how highly regarded. They tried drafting a young C 4 years ago and Daniels had to be moved to guard in less than 1/2 a season because he couldn't handle certain things at the position right away. There's no way they were going to risk that happening again with another young C.

[WrigleyField 22]

Well it may be the case they weren't going to, but those are also all terrible reasons. If that type of stuff is how they justify stuff, lord help us.

[raw]

Well it may be the case they weren't going to, but those are also all terrible reasons. If that type of stuff is how they justify stuff, lord help us.

 

I mean, evidence that we have point toward that definitely being the way they justify stuff. We are beyond the point of needing the Lord's help.

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[WrigleyField 22]

Whoever it is on the right side let's make sure to support them. I badly want for Borom to run away with a starting spot by year end, but I'm expecting a learning curve.

[UMFan83]

 

 

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Jenkins in a few weeks? Dude hasn't even had one OTA practice, much less training camp or regular season practices/games. I'm sure he's learned the offensive system and worked closely on the stuff he can work on but can he really just be thrown into the lineup with little practice?

[BigSlick]

Wow, I was mentally just writing off Jenkins for the rest of the year. Potentially help on the way, and good timing with the hardest part of the schedule behind us.

 

Obviously real questions if those guys can contribute, and there are still major issues with the interior of the line in pass pro as well but not gonna turn it down.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

 

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Jenkins in a few weeks? Dude hasn't even had one OTA practice, much less training camp or regular season practices/games. I'm sure he's learned the offensive system and worked closely on the stuff he can work on but can he really just be thrown into the lineup with little practice?

That would just be back to practice presumably. I'm sure hell get 2-3 weeks as active roster/inactive gameday before they even think of starting him.

[UMFan83]

Wow, I was mentally just writing off Jenkins for the rest of the year. Potentially help on the way, and good timing with the hardest part of the schedule behind us.

 

Obviously real questions if those guys can contribute, and there are still major issues with the interior of the line in pass pro as well but not gonna turn it down.

 

I was going to push back on the hardest part of the schedule being behind us but as usual several teams that looked strong before the season have looked bad now, namely SF, Pittsburgh and Seattle (though Seattle will have Russell Wilson back). Still, I'd say the 4 games out of the bye are the hardest part of the schedule - vs. BAL, @ DET, vs. ARI, @ GB. Obviously Detroit sucks but its a road game and the other 3 teams will probably be jockeying for their conference's bye week in the playoffs.

 

Not sure if we can, but if we were to beat SF and Pittsburgh before the bye, we might still have a shot at the 7 seed, but obviously there are more pressing matters than making the playoffs with this team.

[mias_tisg]

I do not need to see the Bears in the playoffs again as a 8-9 or 9-8 bum team that's just gonna get blown out on Nickelodeon and save everyone's jobs.

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Jenkins in a few weeks? Dude hasn't even had one OTA practice, much less training camp or regular season practices/games. I'm sure he's learned the offensive system and worked closely on the stuff he can work on but can he really just be thrown into the lineup with little practice?

 

Back doesn't necessarily mean starting and on the field on gameday. If he's practicing in 3 weeks, I consider it a win for this season's development.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think pressure rate is a perfect stat, but this was still an interesting few charts:

 

[The_Achiever]

Q: Do we think the front office made Nagy start Fields or do we think he did it on his own volition?