Week 3: Bears at Browns

[BigSlick]

I’m not overly upset about the number of running plays they ran because the Oline was getting utterly dominated

[UMFan83]

It’s kind of crazy that every rookie QB has been pretty bad so far except maybe Davis Mills (and Lance who has barely played).

 

It’s not atypical for rookie QBs to struggle of course but this was a pretty hyped QB class, crazy that all are struggling pretty badly

[Hairyducked Idiot]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

[mias_tisg]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

I'm not here to form opinions on Fields right now because it's way too early. But I don't get why Bears fans are acting like Fields is some sure thing.

[SpongeWorthy]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

not going to seriously reply to this because you’re just doing Kyle things but fields is literally one of the fastest people that has ever played quarterback in the nfl

[d_money]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

I'm not here to form opinions on Fields right now because it's way too early. But I don't get why Bears fans are acting like Fields is some sure thing.

As long as Nagy is involved (he needs to be fired), Fields doesn’t have a chance. Assuming Nagy is fired, I’m not confident in the Bears brass about finding a solid HC.

 

As a Bears fan, of course I want to see Fields succeed and surpass all expectations - but, I feel it’s unlikely.

[champaignchris]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

 

#11 overall AND what is almost certain to be a top 10, if not top 5, pick in 2022.

[17 Seconds]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

 

#11 overall AND what is almost certain to be a top 10, if not top 5, pick in 2022.

 

you're counting the trade twice here. it was #20 plus that 1st

[Hairyducked Idiot]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

not going to seriously reply to this because you’re just doing Kyle things but fields is literally one of the fastest people that has ever played quarterback in the nfl

 

Is he playing hurt or something?

 

Maybe he's just never run full speed as a Bear yet.

 

One of the best rushing plays I can remember seeing from him so far is this one at 4:21:

 

 

It's nice, but it doesn't make me go "holy crap, that guy is one of the fastest NFL QBs of all time"

[raw]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

not going to seriously reply to this because you’re just doing Kyle things but fields is literally one of the fastest people that has ever played quarterback in the nfl

 

Is he playing hurt or something?

 

Maybe he's just never run full speed as a Bear yet.

 

One of the best rushing plays I can remember seeing from him so far is this one at 4:21:

 

 

It's nice, but it doesn't make me go "holy crap, that guy is one of the fastest NFL QBs of all time"

 

He's literally the 3rd fastest timed QB in the league right now. Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray are faster (historically add Vick and I can't even think who else), that's literally it. He also had like the 3rd fastest run in the preseason in terms of MPH.

 

There are also several well publicized reasons why he's an elite prospect. If you don't see why, you should flip that rock over and join the rest of civilization.

[raw]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

I'm not here to form opinions on Fields right now because it's way too early. But I don't get why Bears fans are acting like Fields is some sure thing.

 

I don't think anyone has said he's a sure thing. What Bears fans are "acting like" is open to interpretation. But what is clear is he is the most talented QB the Bears have ever had on the roster in their 102 years of existence. But I also think most of us are aware what happened to the last guy that with great talent (Cutler). I don't think Fields is a sure thing, but he's as close to a sure thing as the Bears have ever had And if he fails, I think it will say more about the organization as a whole than him as a talent.

[raw]

I’m not overly upset about the number of running plays they ran because the Oline was getting utterly dominated

 

Yeah, complaining about the run game is akin to complaining about the defense today. They barely had the ball on offense, were behind all day, and were in long down and distances all game with being sacked every series.

[gflore34]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

I'm not here to form opinions on Fields right now because it's way too early. But I don't get why Bears fans are acting like Fields is some sure thing.

 

I don't think anyone has said he's a sure thing. What Bears fans are "acting like" is open to interpretation. But what is clear is he is the most talented QB the Bears have ever had on the roster in their 102 years of existence. But I also think most of us are aware what happened to the last guy that with great talent (Cutler). I don't think Fields is a sure thing, but he's as close to a sure thing as the Bears have ever had And if he fails, I think it will say more about the organization as a whole than him as a talent.

 

Today was exhibit A, sure Garrett had and the Browns D had a great day, blah, blah, blah but, Nagy was 80% of reason why they had such a great day.

[Soul]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

I'm not here to form opinions on Fields right now because it's way too early. But I don't get why Bears fans are acting like Fields is some sure thing.

 

I don't think anyone has said he's a sure thing. What Bears fans are "acting like" is open to interpretation. But what is clear is he is the most talented QB the Bears have ever had on the roster in their 102 years of existence. But I also think most of us are aware what happened to the last guy that with great talent (Cutler). I don't think Fields is a sure thing, but he's as close to a sure thing as the Bears have ever had And if he fails, I think it will say more about the organization as a whole than him as a talent.

It’s a sure thing for me if he fails it’s a condemnation of the Bears as an organization that can foster a great QB.

 

The graveyard of QBs. That’s what many would already say about the Bears. It becomes official if Fields busts.

[Soul]

I’m not overly upset about the number of running plays they ran because the Oline was getting utterly dominated

 

Yeah, complaining about the run game is akin to complaining about the defense today. They barely had the ball on offense, were behind all day, and were in long down and distances all game with being sacked every series.

…at least part of that was because they never bothered to try to establish the run.

[17 Seconds]

vintage performance from kyle

[raw]

I'm not here to form opinions on Fields right now because it's way too early. But I don't get why Bears fans are acting like Fields is some sure thing.

 

I don't think anyone has said he's a sure thing. What Bears fans are "acting like" is open to interpretation. But what is clear is he is the most talented QB the Bears have ever had on the roster in their 102 years of existence. But I also think most of us are aware what happened to the last guy that with great talent (Cutler). I don't think Fields is a sure thing, but he's as close to a sure thing as the Bears have ever had And if he fails, I think it will say more about the organization as a whole than him as a talent.

 

Today was exhibit A, sure Garrett had and the Browns D had a great day, blah, blah, blah but, Nagy was 80% of reason why they had such a great day.

 

Fields was bad today. But there was almost literally no chance he could have been anything but. The times he wasn't immediately pressured, he held onto the ball too long. But part of why he held onto the ball too long is because of the shitty route concepts. The Browns, IIRC, were the worst rated secondary in the league thru 2 weeks (I know, they played the Chiefs Week 1), but they were able to sit at the sticks all day because they knew the Bears couldn't block them long enough and even if they didn't they knew Nagy wouldn't call anything other than curl routes.

[jersey cubs fan]

I’m not overly upset about the number of running plays they ran because the Oline was getting utterly dominated

 

Yeah, complaining about the run game is akin to complaining about the defense today. They barely had the ball on offense, were behind all day, and were in long down and distances all game with being sacked every series.

…at least part of that was because they never bothered to try to establish the run.

oh come on. Establishing the run wasn’t the issue. They couldn’t establish a forward moving play. They were thoroughly dominated.

[Soul]

 

Yeah, complaining about the run game is akin to complaining about the defense today. They barely had the ball on offense, were behind all day, and were in long down and distances all game with being sacked every series.

…at least part of that was because they never bothered to try to establish the run.

oh come on. Establishing the run wasn’t the issue. They couldn’t establish a forward moving play. They were thoroughly dominated.

Look I’m not saying running the ball would have won them the game but to not even make it part of the game plan was just another bizarre choice from a head coach full of bad ideas about how to run an NFL offense.

[UMFan83]

As always, I am an idiot, but what am I supposed to love so much about Fields? I see plenty to like. I'm fine taking him 11th overall. But he keeps getting talked about as an elite prospect and ... why?

 

His arm is fine, but certainly nothing special. I'd call it NFL average. It won't stop him from being a starter, but it's not anything special. He's not gonna zip balls into impossible windows or anything.

 

His accuracy is fine, but it doesn't stand out to me.

 

His mobility is fine, but there's plenty of guys who are faster. He's not going to make defenses sweat at night with how they're going to stop him from running.

 

If he figures out how to make quick, accurate decisions, he'll be a good NFL starter. But that's true of a half-dozen guys every draft. What am I missing?

 

He’s extremely fast for a QB. In college he was extremely accurate on intermediate and deep balls. His mental acuity tests were legitimately off the charts, like higher than virtually every other player (not just QB) tested. He played and thrived in a pro style offense in college, had some of his best games in the biggest games.

 

None of this means he’s a sure thing. There are things you can pick apart, like holding onto the ball longer than most QBs in college and there are a couple of questionable games in his senior season you can pick at. But like others have said, he’s the most talented QB the Bears have ever had.

 

I feel very confident that at worst he develops into an average QB. I never felt that way with Mitch or any of the other QBs the Bears have attempted to develop.

 

Of course there is a graveyard of QBs that had “all the tools” and didn’t pan out so no I don’t think he’s a sure thing but he’s on a tier just below that

[UMFan83]

From Foles supposedly saying “this offense doesn’t work” on the sidelines to Graham RTing messages about our offensive ineptitude there seems to be a lot of unrest in the Bears locker room. And those are just things from today

 

[Wilson A2000]

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He doesn't have more raw talent than Cutler

[raw]

I’m not overly upset about the number of running plays they ran because the Oline was getting utterly dominated

 

Yeah, complaining about the run game is akin to complaining about the defense today. They barely had the ball on offense, were behind all day, and were in long down and distances all game with being sacked every series.

…at least part of that was because they never bothered to try to establish the run.

 

1st drive- 4 plays, all runs

2nd drive- 1st play sack, ran 2nd and 20

3rd drive- ran 1st down for 1 yard, sacked 2nd play (and 3rd play)

4th drive- 9 yard pass on 1st, ran 2nd and 1, 9 yard pass on 1st, threw 2nd and 1, false start on 3rd and 1 taking them out of a run situation

5th drive- passed all 3 times to open half trying to get something going on offense, I guess.

6th drive- 9 play FG drive, dropped back on the first 7 plays (1 holding call). Then ran wildcat, got 5 yards and threw final 2 plays

7th drive- Down 20-6 at this point, but tried to pass all 4 plays

8th drive- Ran 1st play, never again in final 7 plays.

 

That 2nd FG drive (6th drive), maybe they should have run the ball more, especially once they got the PI call and got inside the 10 on a 5-yard run. But I think they did somewhat try to establish the run. But they literally got sacked on 3 of the first 4 drop backs. Can't establish the run on 2nd and 20. Probably don't want to try to establish the run after a 1-yard run on 1st down either.

[Wilson A2000]

From Foles supposedly saying “this offense doesn’t work” on the sidelines to Graham RTing messages about our offensive ineptitude there seems to be a lot of unrest in the Bears locker room. And those are just things from today

 

 

The Bears haven’t ever fired a coach midseason and I don’t expect that to change. I wouldn’t normally say a coach has to give up playcalling duties after one horrible game with a rookie QB and a terrible line, but we all know that this offense would be better off with Lazor. But if Nagy won’t give up playcalling, can him.