David Ross sucks and GR was always right to hate him

[Backtobanks]

It’s going to hard to judge Ross if the Cubs go into tank mode.

 

If we tank, we can hire Renteria until we get good again.

[Banedon]

Chicago Cubs manager David Ross and “Chicago Med” star Torrey DeVitto have gone public with their romance.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/david-ross-torrey-devitto_n_609abc1ee4b0daf2b599b4ba

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/COnt0gjF4c2/

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why would we ever need to go into tank mode? Epstein was revamping the organization from the ground up so that we would never have to tank again. That was the whole point, iirc.

[stitchface]

Why would we ever need to go into tank mode? Epstein was revamping the organization from the ground up so that we would never have to tank again. That was the whole point, iirc.

 

 

plan failed? I don't know, unless we have some good prospects?

[CubinNY]

I have been paying way too much attention to this team in the last few months than I should have given the W/L record.

 

Although I think Ross doesn't really do a great job of managing the pen, still, he is doing a pretty good job of keeping the players playing hard-to-win games. The current collection of AAAA players and veterans have played hard and appear to be invested in these games. I think that is a point in Ross's favor. I don't know that he is the guy you want managing a contender, but he's done a pretty good job with a very bad hand dealt to him.

[Backtobanks]

I don't know that he is the guy you want managing a contender, but he's done a pretty good job with a very bad hand dealt to him.

 

Well he has job security for a few more years.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't know that he is the guy you want managing a contender, but he's done a pretty good job with a very bad hand dealt to him.

 

Well he has job security for a few more years.

I'm not a fan of a lot of your posts but I enjoyed this one. Well done.

[jersey cubs fan]

[itisallpartoftheplan]

https://twitter.com/weilands1ntern/status/1532169665182580736?s=21&t=E1yucXbUsz8RVtakN4xN9A

 

Even the umps hate this horsefeathers!!

[UMFan83]

There has to be a direct connection between Heyward upgrading Ross to a suite for every road trip in his last season and Ross' continually putting Heyward in the lineup right?

 

He has the lowest OPS+ of his career and is now a negative WAR player defensively (it's the same as Frazier, the most likely candidate to take his role and he's been terrible). I know its a small sample size but his age and track record don't exactly tell us that this has to be a fluke.

[sneakypower]

for me it's mainly a Jed problem, the smartest guy in the room can't find enough fault with a .615 OPS player last 2 seasons running to cut bait, so why would i place blame squarely on guy who can't effectively bake with rancid milk

[OleMissCub]

May as well bring PCA up from High A and let him learn on the fly. There’s no way he could be worse.

[CubinNY]

May as well bring PCA up from High A and let him learn on the fly. There’s no way he could be worse.

Nelson Valasquez is murdering AAA pitching right now. There are probably multiple players in the minors who would produce at the same level as some of these dude.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The only way this made sense to me entering the season was that they valued Heyward's defense very highly, especially in CF since Happ is now a permanent LF. But with Suzuki's injury he can't be getting these reps, the RF defense/arm just isn't worth it when they clearly don't mind Ortega playing CF as well. He cannot catch up with velocity in the way a big league regular has to.

[Bertz]

The only way this made sense to me entering the season was that they valued Heyward's defense very highly, especially in CF since Happ is now a permanent LF. But with Suzuki's injury he can't be getting these reps, the RF defense/arm just isn't worth it when they clearly don't mind Ortega playing CF as well. He cannot catch up with velocity in the way a big league regular has to.

 

Yeah I think coming into the year I'd have bought that it was 50/50ish whether Heyward or Ortega were better suited to that LH platoon OF role. Heyward appeared to be the better defender, and while he was a mess last year was very strong in a platoon role from '18 - '20.

 

And with the mess that the 40 man was in due to all the injuries, as well as the 11 games in 9 days, I can buy why he actually made it off the IL. What I don't buy is why he's currently starting every day, or how/if he survives Seiya coming off the IL. Brett brought up the point of maybe out of respect they're giving him one final shot to turn it around? But again even doing as much mental gymnastics as possible it's essentially impossible to justify him making it to Monday.

[CubinNY]

The only way this made sense to me entering the season was that they valued Heyward's defense very highly, especially in CF since Happ is now a permanent LF. But with Suzuki's injury he can't be getting these reps, the RF defense/arm just isn't worth it when they clearly don't mind Ortega playing CF as well. He cannot catch up with velocity in the way a big league regular has to.

 

Yeah I think coming into the year I'd have bought that it was 50/50ish whether Heyward or Ortega were better suited to that LH platoon OF role. Heyward appeared to be the better defender, and while he was a mess last year was very strong in a platoon role from '18 - '20.

 

And with the mess that the 40 man was in due to all the injuries, as well as the 11 games in 9 days, I can buy why he actually made it off the IL. What I don't buy is why he's currently starting every day, or how/if he survives Seiya coming off the IL. Brett brought up the point of maybe out of respect they're giving him one final shot to turn it around? But again even doing as much mental gymnastics as possible it's essentially impossible to justify him making it to Monday.

The Cubs are experiencing the sunk cost fallacy.

[CubinNY]

Swear to god, there is a cut scene in The Show 22 after a big home run where everyone in the dugout is high fiving and Ross is standing there in the dugout with his hand in the air waiting for someone to give him some love and they are all ignoring him.

[NewUserName]

There has to be a direct connection between Heyward upgrading Ross to a suite for every road trip in his last season and Ross' continually putting Heyward in the lineup right?

 

He has the lowest OPS+ of his career and is now a negative WAR player defensively (it's the same as Frazier, the most likely candidate to take his role and he's been terrible). I know its a small sample size but his age and track record don't exactly tell us that this has to be a fluke.

 

Maybe Heyward got some of Ross's Squat Cobbler videos

[CubinNY]

Ross and his staff and just about everyone else should be on the hot seat for this team's performance.

[Derwood]

Ross and his staff and just about everyone else should be on the hot seat for this team's performance.

 

Ross was just extended, so he's a sunk cost. Maybe some coaches get fired to show that they're doing something

[jersey cubs fan]

Ross and his staff and just about everyone else should be on the hot seat for this team's performance.

 

Ross was just extended, so he's a sunk cost. Maybe some coaches get fired to show that they're doing something

Considering the goal was to suck this season he seems to be getting exactly what the front office wanted from this team. They will suck again in 2023 and then can make a manager change before his final season under contract, when most managers get fired.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Has he really been that bad though? If you take out all of the losses his record starts to look pretty good.

[champaignchris]

Ross and his staff and just about everyone else should be on the hot seat for this team's performance.

 

It will be really interesting to see how ownership handles the off-season assuming the remainder of the season goes the way it looks like it’s going to go.

 

You can’t put one of the worst teams in franchise history on the field and then not respond to it, right? If ownership was actually trying to win and actually cared about the product on the field, you’d fire some combination of Hoyer and Ross.

[Irrelevant Dude]

If ownership was actually trying to win and actually cared about the product on the field, you’d fire some combination of Hoyer and Ross.

Ownership is completely on board with the plan for this season, so nobody is going to get fired. Whatever you may think about Ross' in-game managerial skills, firing him would be a bad look. This team clearly has a roster problem more than a manager problem. My bigger concern is that I have zero trust in Hoyer to identify the right players once the team is ready to compete. His misses have been very concerning. I would prefer to move on from him sooner than later, but that simply isn't going to happen.

[UMFan83]

If ownership was actually trying to win and actually cared about the product on the field, you’d fire some combination of Hoyer and Ross.

Ownership is completely on board with the plan for this season, so nobody is going to get fired. Whatever you may think about Ross' in-game managerial skills, firing him would be a bad look. This team clearly has a roster problem more than a manager problem. My bigger concern is that I have zero trust in Hoyer to identify the right players once the team is ready to compete. His misses have been very concerning. I would prefer to move on from him sooner than later, but that simply isn't going to happen.

 

Yeah no one will be fired because the season was ultimately meaningless but the team turning out to be this bad is not a good look. It could ultimately hasten one of their departures if things continue this way for the next 1-2 seasons.