2020 roster

[Cubswin11]

 

I think it's 4/86 but still, wow I can't read good. I don't think that's insane unmovable either but to get it wrong is not a good look....Get it down to 4/60 or lower

It’s 4/96 (23.5 this year and next, 24.5 the final 2).

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/jason-heyward-7231/

 

Oh the other 10 is signing bonus...I'm assuming NFL rules since the MLB really wants to be them, the signing bonus would be the Cubs' to handle

I don’t think it being classified as a signing bonus matters. Money owed is money owed and all or none of it can be taken on by another team in a trade and taken off the hands of another team. I think signing bonuses use to be a thing (for some reason) before the most recent CBA was signed/extended, they have no real use or meaning in the current CBA as far as I’m aware and I’m pretty sure Heyward signed before the most recent version of the CBA.

[Cubswin11]

I don’t think it being classified as a signing bonus matters. Money owed is money owed and all or none of it can be taken on by another team in a trade and taken off the hands of another team. I think signing bonuses use to be a thing (for some reason) before the most recent CBA was signed/extended, they have no real use or meaning in the current CBA as far as I’m aware and I’m pretty sure Heyward signed before the most recent version of the CBA.

 

I think it's pertinent for a trade like Heyward where you're most likely eating money anyway. Generally it seems pretty standard for the trading team to cover a signing bonus

I literally have never heard of this being a thing in MLB. Like sure money has been moved/covered stuff in trades but I’ve never heard of money being sent to cover a “signing bonus.”

[Cubswin11]

I literally have never heard of this being a thing in MLB. Like sure money has been moved/covered stuff in trades but I’ve never heard of money being sent to cover a “signing bonus.”

 

At the end of the day we can agree that:

 

- the full remaining deal is 4/96

- 10 of that 96 is signing bonus

- the Cubs are probably eating some of that 4/96 to get someone to take it

 

From that perspective I'm just taking one assumption that probably isn't unreasonable, even if that last post was pretty dumb and made up

Yup. I still think the signing bonus thing may have been before the latest version of the CBA went in to effect when that somehow couldn’t mattered with the LT or something. My only other guess is a signing bonus now affects timing of payment, like if a guy has a $2 million signing bonus for a year maybe that’s due like within a week or whatever of the new league year instead of being paid out over a full season on a weekly or bi-weekly payroll schedule.

[Tryptamine]

Just for fun, because trades with this many MLB players almost never happen, but I'd like to see something like this

 

Cubs Trade Willson Contreras,Adbert Alzolay,Tyler Chatwood and Daniel Descalso (~18.5M in salaries for 2020 not counting league minimum players)

Cubs receive Francisco Mejia,Luis Urias,Andre Munoz/Matt Strahm and Wil Myers (~20M in 2020 and Myers is 20M in each of 2021 and 2022 with an option in 2023)

 

SD gets a massive upgrade at C and Hedges is a very strong back up. Ty France will capably replace Urias at 2B, Alzolay can take a reliever slot in 2020 and Chatwood can fight for a rotation slot with Paddack,Lucchessi,Lauer,Lamet and Quantrill.

 

Cubs get a cheap C with lots of control and considerable offensive upside, a 2B with good upside, an elite upside reliever in Munoz or a reliever that could be converted back to a starter in Strahm. They also get an OK bat that should fair much better defensively in RF with Myers. They only add 1.5M in salary for 2020 so this would allow them roughly 30M to go after a starter(Wheeler?),a bench bat(Calhoun?) and another pen arm(Martin?).

 

2020 Roster

C-Caratini

1B-Rizzo

2B-Urias

SS-Baez

3B-Bryant

LF-Schwarber

CF-Heyward

RF-Myers

 

Bench- Mejia,Bote,Happ,Nico,FA

 

SP- Darvish,Hendricks,Lester,Quintana,FA

RP- Kimbrel,Ryan,Wick,Wieck,Munoz/Strahm,Mills,FA

[Cubswin11]

You 100% bring him back on a minor league deal, imo. It costs nothing and is worth the risk, the quotes are from his agent. FWIW.

 

 

And the Cubs are first in line for a minor-league deal that could turn one of their worst free agent signings in recent years a low-cost solution to filling a late-inning bullpen need in 2020.... “I don’t believe Brandon would sign with anyone else until the Cubs decide what they want to do,” Wolfe said. “The Cubs invested a lot of time into Brandon, and money, of course, and Brandon feels a certain sense of loyalty and obligation back to the Cubs to stay with them if they want him on a minor-league contract or something like that”.... “He signed with the Cubs because he thought they were the best organization out there for him, and he still believes that.”

[Tryptamine]

I'm game, there's nothing but upside on a minor league deal. When he's healthy he's absolutely filthy.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Just for fun, because trades with this many MLB players almost never happen, but I'd like to see something like this

 

Cubs Trade Willson Contreras,Adbert Alzolay,Tyler Chatwood and Daniel Descalso (~18.5M in salaries for 2020 not counting league minimum players)

Cubs receive Francisco Mejia,Luis Urias,Andre Munoz/Matt Strahm and Wil Myers (~20M in 2020 and Myers is 20M in each of 2021 and 2022 with an option in 2023)

 

To split this into pieces, I think you can do better(if not in value then in fit, but probably in value) for Contreras than Mejia/Urias/prospect reliever, and I definitely would not trade Alzolay, Chatwood, and Descalso for Myers.

[Andy]

I'm game, there's nothing but upside on a minor league deal. When he's healthy he's absolutely filthy.

Yeah, if he's really willing to do that there's no reason at all not to.

[Tryptamine]

Just for fun, because trades with this many MLB players almost never happen, but I'd like to see something like this

 

Cubs Trade Willson Contreras,Adbert Alzolay,Tyler Chatwood and Daniel Descalso (~18.5M in salaries for 2020 not counting league minimum players)

Cubs receive Francisco Mejia,Luis Urias,Andre Munoz/Matt Strahm and Wil Myers (~20M in 2020 and Myers is 20M in each of 2021 and 2022 with an option in 2023)

 

To split this into pieces, I think you can do better(if not in value then in fit, but probably in value) for Contreras than Mejia/Urias/prospect reliever, and I definitely would not trade Alzolay, Chatwood, and Descalso for Myers.

 

I don't think we'd net anywhere near Mejia/Urias/Munoz for Contreras solo. You're talking 2 guys who were top 50 prospects, top 25 in the case of Urias, to start 2019 and perhaps the single best relief prospect in the minors with Munoz. I kind of saw it as Urias+Mejia=Contreras and Munoz+Myers=Descalso,Chatwood,Alzolay.

[Tryptamine]

I don't think we'd net anywhere near Mejia/Urias/Munoz for Contreras solo. You're talking 2 guys who were top 50 prospects, top 25 in the case of Urias, to start 2019 and perhaps the single best relief prospect in the minors with Munoz. I kind of saw it as Urias+Mejia=Contreras and Munoz+Myers=Descalso,Chatwood,Alzolay.

 

Pre-2019 status aside, I agree with TT that you can get more quality or fit than these guys. Urias' lack of power really hurts him as a prospect, probably why he's said to be available, and Mejia's got the same flaws as Contreras

 

Urias added quite a bit of pop this year in exchange for some of his elite contact skills; granted it's hard to know if any power added in 2019 was real or a mirage. With that said, I think Urias is available more because they also have Ty France who put up one of the best seasons in minor league history. .399/.477/.770 w/ 27HR and a 196wRC+ in 348 AAA PAs.

[Brian]

Yeah if Morrow is willing to take a minor league deal with the Cubs as first priority, that's a no brainer. Especially with the extra roster spot you can protect him all season long.

[Cubswin11]

:-k

 

 

https://twitter.com/wcontreras40/status/1194292544156438529?s=21

[Cubswin11]

Almora for Nimmo, get it done Theo

 

[Deeg]

Almora for Nimmo, get it done Theo

 

 

You must have missed Almora grading out as the 2nd-worst defensive CF in the NL last year.

[javy knows my name]

Almora for Nimmo, get it done Theo

 

 

You must have missed Almora grading out as the 2nd-worst defensive CF in the NL last year.

 

No, I think he's just hoping (assuming) the Mets did

[Cubswin11]

[Cubswin11]

Almora for Nimmo, get it done Theo

 

 

You must have missed Almora grading out as the 2nd-worst defensive CF in the NL last year.

No I did not, I posted that. It was mostly a joke post but I also think the Mets have some flawed decision making processes and may be dumb enough to do a swap like that with little else needing to be added.

[CubinNY]

with ballsy moves like these, the Cubs are poised to reclaim their spot atop the NL Central.

[squally1313]

with ballsy moves like these, the Cubs are poised to reclaim their spot atop the NL Central.

It's a minor league deal where it's implied that Morrow wants to pay the Cubs back for all the time and money they've invested in him. If that's the case, there is literally no downside to this, nor does it get in the way of any other move.

[CubinNY]

with ballsy moves like these, the Cubs are poised to reclaim their spot atop the NL Central.

It's a minor league deal where it's implied that Morrow wants to pay the Cubs back for all the time and money they've invested in him. If that's the case, there is literally no downside to this, nor does it get in the way of any other move.

Not suggesting otherwise, just making a joke.

[squally1313]

with ballsy moves like these, the Cubs are poised to reclaim their spot atop the NL Central.

It's a minor league deal where it's implied that Morrow wants to pay the Cubs back for all the time and money they've invested in him. If that's the case, there is literally no downside to this, nor does it get in the way of any other move.

Not suggesting otherwise, just making a joke.

My bad...had seen some much more serious versions of those words in much worse parts of the internet.

[Cubswin11]

Stanek is on the Marlins now, he got moved at the deadline. But I like him as a target nonetheless in a separate deal. If a Jon Gray deal can’t happen for Willy, I’d be fine with a Margot, Lamet, Hedges deal with maybe a prospect in their 8-13 range and maybe a little something more from us going back.

[Cubswin11]

with ballsy moves like these, the Cubs are poised to reclaim their spot atop the NL Central.

It's a minor league deal where it's implied that Morrow wants to pay the Cubs back for all the time and money they've invested in him. If that's the case, there is literally no downside to this, nor does it get in the way of any other move.

Right I don’t get how people can be against this. He’d cost a couple hundred thousand and never pitch in the worst case scenario. He was one of the top ~12 (forget exactly where but he was elite) relief pitchers in MLB in the first half in 2018 before he got hurt, he likely never pitches again but it’s worth the risk and if it’s not him they should always be looking to add a guy or two like him every offseason that costs nothing coming off injury that was previously good. I think it’s a smart way to potentially fall in to quality depth as you build out a team.

[Cubswin11]

Walk out with an ace, future CF, out of the Heyward deal, payroll 's just under $248 by my imagined count, farms intact so trades can be made at the deadline, there's alot more SP and therefore P depth...

They’re not going to get anywhere close to touching $248 going in to the year. That’s just a completely unrealistic expectation for the offseason.

[Sammy Sofa]

They’re not going to get anywhere close to touching $248 going in to the year. That’s just a completely unrealistic expectation for the offseason.

 

I agree with the second sentence because the major players are better than Castellanos or Jason Castro but probably still not clicking on why they wouldn't max out the cap this year

 

Is it because Ricketts is so squishy-looking he doesn't technically make any clicking sounds?