Week 7: Patriots @ Bears noon on CBS

[raw]

It's crazy to me that people blame play calling for the Bears struggles. Time and time again a play is there and mitch misses by yards. And it's the play calling?

 

Just quote me man. And I didn't "blame" the playcalling. I just said it's not helping.

[jersey cubs fan]

losing picks sucks, but Mack is/was/and will be worth that trade. We're also not out of the playoffs by a long shot. Today sucked, losing to Miami sucked, but the season isn't 1/2 over.

The point is that chalking this loss up as expected and Not that bad since we all thought this team was mediocre in August is not a good way to judge a team that has to win with what they already have. They aren't getting more talent. This is the team they have to win with now. Mack is worth the trade, but you still have to win games and their qb was trash today.

 

It's so weird that you keep pushing this "Trubisky is terrible" agenda, when you were one of the most vocal Cutler supporters on this board. If Trubisky continues along the same terrible plane he's been on this season, he finishes better than Cutler across the board statistically.

mitch had more talent and better coaching around him than cutler ever had

[jersey cubs fan]

It's crazy to me that people blame play calling for the Bears struggles. Time and time again a play is there and mitch misses by yards. And it's the play calling?

 

Just quote me man. And I didn't "blame" the playcalling. I just said it's not helping.

It obviously is helping a lot. The plays are there. The receivers are open, and Mitch keeps missing.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The point is that chalking this loss up as expected and Not that bad since we all thought this team was mediocre in August is not a good way to judge a team that has to win with what they already have. They aren't getting more talent. This is the team they have to win with now. Mack is worth the trade, but you still have to win games and their qb was trash today.

 

It's so weird that you keep pushing this "Trubisky is terrible" agenda, when you were one of the most vocal Cutler supporters on this board. If Trubisky continues along the same terrible plane he's been on this season, he finishes better than Cutler across the board statistically.

mitch had more talent and better coaching around him than cutler ever had

 

I remember seeing Cutler make the most bone-headed throw and walk off the field all "who caaaaaaaaaaares". They gave him talent as well, he had Forte, Clarke, Marshall, Olsen, Jeffery. He never had Nagy as a coach, but he also never had this sieve of a defense and Devin Hester on ST. This argument that Cutler was shafted and Trubisky is all that matters with why the Bears aren't 6-0 is nuts. Absolutely NUTS.

[Tim]

The point is that chalking this loss up as expected and Not that bad since we all thought this team was mediocre in August is not a good way to judge a team that has to win with what they already have. They aren't getting more talent. This is the team they have to win with now. Mack is worth the trade, but you still have to win games and their qb was trash today.

 

It's so weird that you keep pushing this "Trubisky is terrible" agenda, when you were one of the most vocal Cutler supporters on this board. If Trubisky continues along the same terrible plane he's been on this season, he finishes better than Cutler across the board statistically.

mitch had more talent and better coaching around him than cutler ever had

For several years, Cutler had:

 

Matt Forte

Brandon Marshall

Alshon Jeffery

Martellus Bennett

 

That's not exactly chopped liver.

[raw]

The point is that chalking this loss up as expected and Not that bad since we all thought this team was mediocre in August is not a good way to judge a team that has to win with what they already have. They aren't getting more talent. This is the team they have to win with now. Mack is worth the trade, but you still have to win games and their qb was trash today.

 

It's so weird that you keep pushing this "Trubisky is terrible" agenda, when you were one of the most vocal Cutler supporters on this board. If Trubisky continues along the same terrible plane he's been on this season, he finishes better than Cutler across the board statistically.

mitch had more talent and better coaching around him than cutler ever had

 

And he's making the most of it to the tune of nearly 30 points per game and a 97 passer rating, with less experience than Cutler had before he was traded to the Bears......yet it's still not enough for you.

[raw]

It's crazy to me that people blame play calling for the Bears struggles. Time and time again a play is there and mitch misses by yards. And it's the play calling?

 

Just quote me man. And I didn't "blame" the playcalling. I just said it's not helping.

It obviously is helping a lot. The plays are there. The receivers are open, and Mitch keeps missing.

 

That's the thing though, he doesn't "keep missing". He's completing 2/3 of his passes, despite the most throws over 20 yards in the league. Definitely missing more than any of us would like. But you seem to be dwelling on the misses instead of him hitting 66% for a pace of > 4000 yards and 30+ TDs.

 

So yeah, maybe I was wrong in saying it's not helping (I was talking more run/pass ratio anyway).

[Tim]

goony, I'm normally with you on most things. But you're flat out wrong here.

 

Mitch still has plenty of room for growth left. But he is absolutely not "terrible".

[UMFan83]

My criticism of mitch isn’t necessarily that he’s inaccurate it’s that he’s not consistently accurate. He was throwing lasers all over the field against TB and in the second half against Miami but today his footwork was all off and he was missing throws that Mike Glennon can hit in his sleep. Not to mention making some poor decisions but most QBs do that on occasion

[Wilson A2000]

 

It's so weird that you keep pushing this "Trubisky is terrible" agenda, when you were one of the most vocal Cutler supporters on this board. If Trubisky continues along the same terrible plane he's been on this season, he finishes better than Cutler across the board statistically.

mitch had more talent and better coaching around him than cutler ever had

 

I remember seeing Cutler make the most bone-headed throw and walk off the field all "who caaaaaaaaaaares". They gave him talent as well, he had Forte, Clarke, Marshall, Olsen, Jeffery. He never had Nagy as a coach, but he also never had this sieve of a defense and Devin Hester on ST. This argument that Cutler was shafted and Trubisky is all that matters with why the Bears aren't 6-0 is nuts. Absolutely NUTS.

 

Cutler had some horrible talent around him some years and other years had great talent. But when he got hurt in 2013 and McCown put up incredible numbers with the same offensive talent around him, I knew Cutler was just as much to blame as anyone for his underachieving Bears career.

[r_mack]

 

It's so weird that you keep pushing this "Trubisky is terrible" agenda, when you were one of the most vocal Cutler supporters on this board. If Trubisky continues along the same terrible plane he's been on this season, he finishes better than Cutler across the board statistically.

mitch had more talent and better coaching around him than cutler ever had

 

And he's making the most of it to the tune of nearly 30 points per game and a 97 passer rating, with less experience than Cutler had before he was traded to the Bears......yet it's still not enough for you.

Anyone that's actually watched games know those stats are lying. He played a great game against Tampa (the D coordinator was fired 2 weeks later) and then a half of a game against Miami. Other than that, he looks like one of the worst QB's in the NFL. If you didn't watch today's game, you'd think he had a great game but 50% completion and 2 picks along with 2 dropped picks. He was bad.

[UMFan83]

mitch had more talent and better coaching around him than cutler ever had

 

And he's making the most of it to the tune of nearly 30 points per game and a 97 passer rating, with less experience than Cutler had before he was traded to the Bears......yet it's still not enough for you.

Anyone that's actually watched games know those stats are lying. He played a great game against Tampa (the D coordinator was fired 2 weeks later) and then a half of a game against Miami. Other than that, he looks like one of the worst QB's in the NFL. If you didn't watch today's game, you'd think he had a great game but 50% completion and 2 picks along with 2 dropped picks. He was bad.

 

He sucks except for those times when he was great...got it

[davell]

The difference between Cutler and Trubisky, is Pace. There's going to be more cohesion under Pace, for Trubisky to grow. He's been given a solid O-Line, good skill position players, and a good defense, all at the same time. And I feel pretty confident he's not about to see 6 different offenses to learn, over an 8 year stretch either.

 

If Cutler had been given those things EARLY in his career, no one knows how things would have turned out. Maybe no different at all. But, it's also possible his talent would have been used much better.

 

With Trubisky, I honestly can't see how anyone sees the talent worthy of being taken where he was. Doesn't even matter though, he's our guy, like it or not. But, given the roster he's surrounded with, he'll be passable.

 

Is passable enough? It better be. Because this is our roster going forward, for the most part. No more big name FA, no 1st or 2nd next year, no 1st the year after that...... Hopefully they can manufacture some extra picks somehow. Because each of Trubisky's years under his first contract are infinitely more important now.

[Sammy Sofa]

Hopefully they can manufacture some extra picks somehow.

 

Sounds like Potatoskinsky has that covered.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Trubisky has a 97.1 QB rating. Combined passing and rushing he produced 414 yards and 3 TDs yesterday.

 

Some of you don't deserve Mitch and should go back to the Moses Moreno days.

[jersey cubs fan]

Trubisky has a 97.1 QB rating. Combined passing and rushing he produced 414 yards and 3 TDs yesterday.

 

Some of you don't deserve Mitch and should go back to the Moses Moreno days.

he had a 50% completion percentage, 2 picks and 2 more shoulda been picks.

[BigbadB]

There was so much nonsense happening in that game that I could write a novel. The overthrows, Leonard Floyd covering James White one on one out of the backfield in the redzone with the Bears only rushing 3. An illegal formation call on your most basic Jordan Howard up the middle for a 2 yard td. Nagy's formations are so crazy that they can't even get the most basic running formation right without a penalty. The defense played terrible. Special teams played terrible. Trubisky played terrible.

 

With all of that said, they still had a chance in that game and I still enjoyed seeing them put points on the board. But, they are still a huge work in progress. If Fangio doesn't find a defense to combat the short and quick plays, Detroit is going to make the Thanksgiving game painful to watch.

[BigbadB]

Trubisky has a 97.1 QB rating. Combined passing and rushing he produced 414 yards and 3 TDs yesterday.

 

Some of you don't deserve Mitch and should go back to the Moses Moreno days.

he had a 50% completion percentage, 2 picks and 2 more shoulda been picks.

 

You are right. He did deserve two more picks. However, the two picks that New England did get were pretty fluky.

[jersey cubs fan]

There was so much nonsense happening in that game that I could write a novel. The overthrows, Leonard Floyd covering James White one on one out of the backfield in the redzone with the Bears only rushing 3. An illegal formation call on your most basic Jordan Howard up the middle for a 2 yard td. Nagy's formations are so crazy that they can't even get the most basic running formation right without a penalty. The defense played terrible. Special teams played terrible. Trubisky played terrible.

 

With all of that said, they still had a chance in that game and I still enjoyed seeing them put points on the board. But, they are still a huge work in progress. If Fangio doesn't find a defense to combat the short and quick plays, Detroit is going to make the Thanksgiving game painful to watch.

My vague recollection of that play is they rushed it, trying to get the snap off early, which I assume had more to do with the penalty than "crazy formations" being at fault.

 

I really want to know why they ever run the ball out of the end zone and why they couldn't kick into the end zone. Those two things alone could have reversed the score.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Trubisky has a 97.1 QB rating. Combined passing and rushing he produced 414 yards and 3 TDs yesterday.

 

Some of you don't deserve Mitch and should go back to the Moses Moreno days.

he had a 50% completion percentage, 2 picks and 2 more shoulda been picks.

 

Correct. And in his *bad* game, against Belichick, he was still responsible for 400 yards and more TDs than turnovers.

 

It doesn't matter though because Mack is permanently broken and everything is ruined forever.

[Brian707]

Trubisky has a 97.1 QB rating. Combined passing and rushing he produced 414 yards and 3 TDs yesterday.

 

Some of you don't deserve Mitch and should go back to the Moses Moreno days.

he had a 50% completion percentage, 2 picks and 2 more shoulda been picks.

 

 

Yes he had a sub par day. But he isn't the reason they lost.

 

The Bears will be 6-3 going into the Vikings game and this town will be creaming their pants again.

 

As for Mack they said its a high ankle sprain and is a 6 week injury but playing thru it won't make it worse. This D was above average without him last year, maybe its time they find a way to stop getting gashed. Or make a stop at some point with 4 minutes to go in a game trailing by one score.

[UMFan83]

Trubisky has a 97.1 QB rating. Combined passing and rushing he produced 414 yards and 3 TDs yesterday.

 

Some of you don't deserve Mitch and should go back to the Moses Moreno days.

he had a 50% completion percentage, 2 picks and 2 more shoulda been picks.

 

Yeah, you can cherry pick stats to make him look good, but he threw the ball 50 times to get his 333 yards passing and was constantly all over the place with his throws, missing passes both easy and difficult.

 

No one is saying he's Moses Moreno or even Kyle Orton or even Jay Cutler, but we are being critical of him because we (or at least me) believes he has shown flashes of being very good so expectations are heightened

[jersey cubs fan]

Trubisky has a 97.1 QB rating. Combined passing and rushing he produced 414 yards and 3 TDs yesterday.

 

Some of you don't deserve Mitch and should go back to the Moses Moreno days.

he had a 50% completion percentage, 2 picks and 2 more shoulda been picks.

 

Correct. And in his *bad* game, against Belichick, he was still responsible for 400 yards and more TDs than turnovers.

 

It doesn't matter though because Mack is permanently broken and everything is ruined forever.

Are you under the impression that yardage and scoring is hard to come by against the Patriots?

[BigbadB]

I really want to know why they ever run the ball out of the end zone and why they couldn't kick into the end zone. Those two things alone could have reversed the score.

 

I'm assuming the reason Cunningham ran the one particular ball out of the endzone was because it was only about a yard or two deep and his forward momentum in catching the ball might have brought him out anyway, and in a split second catching the ball, he decided to just do it. I didn't like him bringing that one out, either.

 

As far as kicking into the endzone, neither team kicked it into the endzone on that end of the field that I recall. The Bears were returning kicks in the 1st and 3rd, and NE was returning kicks in the 2nd and 4th. It's also why the Bears went for it on 4th down when there was a 57 yard field goal opportunity in the 3rd. It was against the wind.

[Soul]

How much of Mack's disappearance is his injury vs. teams adjusting to him? It's hard to believe how fast the D went from awesome to terrible but here we are. That's the biggest thing I see, not Mitch's play.

 

The D is going to see this same offensive scheme for the rest of year, but not every team can execute it like the Pats. I see a mix of good and bad teams left on the schedule. Win the next 2 and maybe the confidence level rises enough to beat the Lions @ home, leaving us 6-3 heading into a tough game vs. the Vikes.

 

I didn't expect much yesterday, so I guess the Bears outperformed. I'm much more upset about the Dolphins loss and right now I'm dumbfounded by the cliff-drop of the D over the past two weeks, even with Mack's injury.