Week 4: Tampa @ Bears SUNDAY AT NOON on Fox

[raw]

Don't know if this game is good or not. Don't know if I'm glad Tampa got knocked down a peg or if I wanted the Bears to face a seemingly unbeatable looking team.

 

I'd much rather face Fitzpatrick than Winston. Winston has killed the Bears with his mobility in the past. For this pass rush, better off with a statuesque QB, as long as it's not Aaron Rodgers with an injured knee.

 

Either way, Tampa is likely going to force the Bears to have to do something worthwhile on offense. The defense will make plays as usual, but Tampa will score. The opportunity for TRubisky will be there though, as they are bad on defense, especially in the secondary where losing Chris Conte tonight has been a big blow.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

He has 27 completions behind the line of scrimmage. I don't know what came 1st, Nagy's playcalling restricting Trubisky or is Trubisky restricting Nagy?

I'm pretty sure it's Trubiskys limitations.

 

Did see this type of play calling in the playoff game in KC though. But I'm willing to put this on Mitch until proven otherwise.

 

So Nagy has done this, we know he does this, but its not his fault?

 

Why would he game plan like that in the playoffs? Is there a hole in his offense that he knows a good defense can exploit?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Most really good offenses like Nagys needs bith the WR and QB to make THE SAME READ. At the very beginning, when Trubisky missed he missed way off. I’m ok with that if it keeps the ints from happening.

[raw]

I'm pretty sure it's Trubiskys limitations.

 

Did see this type of play calling in the playoff game in KC though. But I'm willing to put this on Mitch until proven otherwise.

 

So Nagy has done this, we know he does this, but its not his fault?

 

Why would he game plan like that in the playoffs? Is there a hole in his offense that he knows a good defense can exploit?

 

Kelce got hurt and they had, I think, a 16-point lead. Nagy has 4 games of bad play calling. Trubisky has 14 games of bad quarterbacking.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Did see this type of play calling in the playoff game in KC though. But I'm willing to put this on Mitch until proven otherwise.

 

So Nagy has done this, we know he does this, but its not his fault?

 

Why would he game plan like that in the playoffs? Is there a hole in his offense that he knows a good defense can exploit?

 

Kelce got hurt and they had, I think, a 16-point lead. Nagy has 4 games of bad play calling. Trubisky has 14 games of bad quarterbacking.

 

 

So you think its because Nagy is trying to get Trubisky to take off? Hes throttled it back for/because of Mitch?

[UMFan83]

Guys rmack has seen enough

 

[WrigleyField 22]

Goff thru 15 games: 259-449, 3119 yards, 18 TD, 11 INT, 82.25 QB rating

Wentz thru 15 games: 352-564, 3537 yards, 14 TD, 14 INT, 78.15 QB rating

Trubisky thru 15 games: 268-434, 2784 yards, 9 TD, 10 INT, 77.6 QB rating

 

Goff since: 220-334, 2715 yards, 21 TDs, 5 INT, 105.56 QB rating

Wentz since: 317-520, 3796 yards, 36 TDs, 8 INT, 99.97 QB rating

 

Dak Prescott

First 15: 307-451, 3630, 24 TD, 4 INT, 105.65

Since: 366-586, 3859, 24 TD, 15 INT, 87.47

 

Marcus Mariota

First 15: 297-477, 3541, 23, 14, 88.74

Since: 511-831, 6138, 35, 22, 87.11

 

Jameis Winston

First 15: 283-488, 3717, 22, 13, 86.07

Since: 656-1056, 7919, 47, 31, 87,7

 

Any others from the past several years who have started at least 15 games?

 

ETA-

Derek Carr

330-563, 3112, 20, 11, 77.66

1133-1795, 12514, 85, 38, 90.7

 

Blake Bortles

302-515, 3091, 12, 19, 68.35

1084-1825, 12544, 83, 47, 84.6

 

Brock Osweiler (not incl games with minor stats)

326-543, 3500, 18, 14, 79.28

239-410, 2494, 12, 13, 72.55

 

Geno Smith

230-416, 2856, 12, 21, 65.34

292-486, 3318, 17, 15, 79.40

 

Trevor Sieman

306-514, 3620, 20, 11, 85.09

189-321, 2066, 10, 13, 71.48

Edited September 25, 2018 by WrigleyField 22

[minnesotacubsfan]

Guys rmack has seen enough

 

 

 

horsefeathers it. I want Mitch to throw for 150 yards and 3 ints and cost us the game and STILL get to start again JUST to see that guys next post.

[WrigleyField 22]

Goff thru 15 games: 259-449, 3119 yards, 18 TD, 11 INT, 82.25 QB rating

Wentz thru 15 games: 352-564, 3537 yards, 14 TD, 14 INT, 78.15 QB rating

Trubisky thru 15 games: 268-434, 2784 yards, 9 TD, 10 INT, 77.6 QB rating

 

Goff since: 220-334, 2715 yards, 21 TDs, 5 INT, 105.56 QB rating

Wentz since: 317-520, 3796 yards, 36 TDs, 8 INT, 99.97 QB rating

 

Dak Prescott

First 15: 307-451, 3630, 24 TD, 4 INT, 105.65

Since: 366-586, 3859, 24 TD, 15 INT, 87.47

 

Marcus Mariota

First 15: 297-477, 3541, 23, 14, 88.74

Since: 511-831, 6138, 35, 22, 87.11

 

Jameis Winston

First 15: 283-488, 3717, 22, 13, 86.07

Since: 656-1056, 7919, 47, 31, 87,7

 

Any others from the past several years who have started at least 15 games?

 

ETA-

Derek Carr

330-563, 3112, 20, 11, 77.66

1133-1795, 12514, 85, 38, 90.7

 

Blake Bortles

302-515, 3091, 12, 19, 68.35

1084-1825, 12544, 83, 47, 84.6

 

Brock Osweiler (not incl games with minor stats)

326-543, 3500, 18, 14, 79.28

239-410, 2494, 12, 13, 72.55

 

Geno Smith

230-416, 2856, 12, 21, 65.34

292-486, 3318, 17, 15, 79.40

 

Trevor Sieman

306-514, 3620, 20, 11, 85.09

189-321, 2066, 10, 13, 71.48

 

Aggregate (granted some survivor-ship bias)

2992-2980, 33,723 yards, 183 TD, 132 INT, 81.57

5007-8164, 57,363 yards, 370 TD, 207 INT, 87.01

 

So young QBs will get a little better after their first 15 games. What might the next season and a half or so look like for Mitch on average?

 

448-711, 4,735 yards, 18 TD, 16 INT 81.69

 

Let's hope he does better than average.

[raw]

 

So Nagy has done this, we know he does this, but its not his fault?

 

Why would he game plan like that in the playoffs? Is there a hole in his offense that he knows a good defense can exploit?

 

Kelce got hurt and they had, I think, a 16-point lead. Nagy has 4 games of bad play calling. Trubisky has 14 games of bad quarterbacking.

 

 

So you think its because Nagy is trying to get Trubisky to take off? Hes throttled it back for/because of Mitch?

 

Yes. No way to be sure. But it looks like Mitch isn't going beyond his 1st read. It seems like it's by design to make things easier for him, as he had multiple reads in the opener and early vs. Seattle.

[Bertz]

Bears are ever so slight favorites to win the division already.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/playoffodds

 

Odds probably go up another smidge with Tampa's loss last night.

 

I'm torn on Mitch. On the one hand I was very high on him coming into the year, and I'm reticent to change my mind on anyone after three games. On the other hand he's been pretty bad all around. Given his age I'd be okay with a few inaccurate passes (like the underthrown INT in the SEA game) coupled with good decision making, or a few poor decisions (like the should have been pick 12 in the Seahawks game) paired with good accuracy, but fairing poor in both respects is scary.

 

That being said, unless they're a superstar or a total bust I don't think you really know what you've got in a QB until threeish years in. There is also the complication of working in a new system/playbook. His performance probably won't move the needle much for me good or bad for at least another month or so.

[Chocolate Milk]

I almost feel like Mitch has regressed from last year to this year. I remember last year as being mostly positive for a rookie throwing to a bunch of nobodies. I don't remember the happy feet and general confusion from him. Maybe I'm mistaken.

[BigbadB]

I almost feel like Mitch has regressed from last year to this year. I remember last year as being mostly positive for a rookie throwing to a bunch of nobodies. I don't remember the happy feet and general confusion from him. Maybe I'm mistaken.

 

I agree. There seemed to be a lot more confidence and accuracy in his throws last year.

[jersey cubs fan]

Chicago is currently a ~2.5 point home favorite against the high flying and free wheeling Bucs, but that might change depending on the outcome of this Monday Night matchup with the Steelers.

 

I now see -3.

[WrigleyField 22]

I almost feel like Mitch has regressed from last year to this year. I remember last year as being mostly positive for a rookie throwing to a bunch of nobodies. I don't remember the happy feet and general confusion from him. Maybe I'm mistaken.

Hes regressed I think. He had his moments last year with poor footwork or whatever, but seemed to generally be hitting his targets with more consistency.

[David]

I almost feel like Mitch has regressed from last year to this year. I remember last year as being mostly positive for a rookie throwing to a bunch of nobodies. I don't remember the happy feet and general confusion from him. Maybe I'm mistaken.

Hes regressed I think. He had his moments last year with poor footwork or whatever, but seemed to generally be hitting his targets with more consistency.

 

Hoping it's just a product of being a little overwhelmed early on in a whole new offense and that those things clear up as he gains more confidence with the plays and has to think less.

[gflore34]

Bears are ever so slight favorites to win the division already.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/playoffodds

 

Odds probably go up another smidge with Tampa's loss last night.

 

I'm torn on Mitch. On the one hand I was very high on him coming into the year, and I'm reticent to change my mind on anyone after three games. On the other hand he's been pretty bad all around. Given his age I'd be okay with a few inaccurate passes (like the underthrown INT in the SEA game) coupled with good decision making, or a few poor decisions (like the should have been pick 12 in the Seahawks game) paired with good accuracy, but fairing poor in both respects is scary.

 

That being said, unless they're a superstar or a total bust I don't think you really know what you've got in a QB until threeish years in. There is also the complication of working in a new system/playbook. His performance probably won't move the needle much for me good or bad for at least another month or so.

 

Shouldn't we see some sustained good play from him? That's the disappointing part, all we've seen is below average to bad, nothing improving from game to game.

[tfarks]

https://www.profootballweekly.com/2018/09/25/mark-schofield-how-mitch-trubisky-handles-pressure-and-2-throws-that-should-give-bears-fans-hope/au9ybm7/

 

Article breaking down Trubisky's plays under pressure.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Bears are ever so slight favorites to win the division already.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/playoffodds

 

Odds probably go up another smidge with Tampa's loss last night.

 

I'm torn on Mitch. On the one hand I was very high on him coming into the year, and I'm reticent to change my mind on anyone after three games. On the other hand he's been pretty bad all around. Given his age I'd be okay with a few inaccurate passes (like the underthrown INT in the SEA game) coupled with good decision making, or a few poor decisions (like the should have been pick 12 in the Seahawks game) paired with good accuracy, but fairing poor in both respects is scary.

 

That being said, unless they're a superstar or a total bust I don't think you really know what you've got in a QB until threeish years in. There is also the complication of working in a new system/playbook. His performance probably won't move the needle much for me good or bad for at least another month or so.

 

Shouldn't we see some sustained good play from him? That's the disappointing part, all we've seen is below average to bad, nothing improving from game to game.

 

idk, I dont think nfl qb development is incremental, it more likely takes leaps forward and backward like everything in life. except robots maybe.

[Butterscup]

i love chase daniel more than i will love any of my potential future children because of everything he did at mizzou but there's a reason the dude has been a backup across four teams for a decade.

[NonProfitCow]

i love chase daniel more than i will love any of my potential future children because of everything he did at mizzou but there's a reason the dude has been a backup across four teams for a decade.

He's living an awesome life. He's made 28 mil in his career and has attempted 78 passes over the last 10 years. I don't care about the Bears so I'd love to see him play.

[Brian]

i love chase daniel more than i will love any of my potential future children because of everything he did at mizzou but there's a reason the dude has been a backup across four teams for a decade.

 

Bears fans are genetically engineered to pine for shitty backup QBs to play

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i love chase daniel more than i will love any of my potential future children because of everything he did at mizzou but there's a reason the dude has been a backup across four teams for a decade.

 

Bears fans are genetically engineered to pine for horsefeathers backup QBs to play

 

Because we always had questionable at best starters.

[Old Style]

Bears are ever so slight favorites to win the division already.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/playoffodds

 

Odds probably go up another smidge with Tampa's loss last night.

Why would that game change our odds?

[minnesotacubsfan]

i love chase daniel more than i will love any of my potential future children because of everything he did at mizzou but there's a reason the dude has been a backup across four teams for a decade.

 

Bears fans are genetically engineered to pine for horsefeathers backup QBs to play

 

Because we always had questionable at best starters.

 

 

So we should default to the shittier back ups?