Trading Heyward

[Transmogrified Tiger]

gonna be honest, I just pulled up perd hapley gifs and started scrolling until that one leapt off the page at me

[Sammy Sofa]

gonna be honest, I just pulled up perd hapley gifs and started scrolling until that one leapt off the page at me

 

That's all it ever is, but you just hope to be that lucky.

[David]

oh my god i didn't even notice that the poster's name was perd and now my mind is completely blown

[imb]

oh my god i didn't even notice that the poster's name was perd and now my mind is completely blown

 

holy horsefeathers me either lmao

[jersey cubs fan]

 

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[Perd]

gonna be honest, I just pulled up perd hapley gifs and started scrolling until that one leapt off the page at me

The quote in that gif used to be my sig on another forum where I post.

[Sammy Sofa]

Is there a way to see which posts got the most likes? I know this wouldn't be at the top, but it's gotta be up there in terms of non-WS/non-Fred posts.

[Banedon]

Is there a way to see which posts got the most likes? I know this wouldn't be at the top, but it's gotta be up there in terms of non-WS/non-Fred posts.

 

Not that I'm aware of. There's been a number of occasions I've been curious.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Is there a way to see which posts got the most likes? I know this wouldn't be at the top, but it's gotta be up there in terms of non-WS/non-Fred posts.

 

[toonsterwu]

Had too much time to ponder this yesterday, so I wonder if there's something that could, for a hypothetical, be constructed with the Tigers and, namely, Jordan Zimmermann's contract. I mean, that's a ton for a 4th starter, a bad 4th starter in the AL, so that may be something they may try to get out of. That said, they'd have to get a 3rd team, a team willing to take on Heyward.

[WoodRules]

How about just shifting Heyward to center after they sign Harper? Or can the Cubs not afford it?

[davell]

http://www.cubsinsider.com/2017/10/31/rundown-cubs-factor-marlins-looking-dump-stantons-salary-including-jason-heyward-rumors/

 

So, this ain't happening. But, you gotta admit it'd be fun. And I'm not a Stanton guy.

 

Heyward to San Fran for Shark and Melancon, then Cubs trade Almora and/or Happ for Stanton. Monetarily, its adding some money obviously, but not an exorbitant amount. If itdv work with just one of Almora or Happ, to where you can still trade the other for more pitching.....Geez.

[imb]

http://www.cubsinsider.com/2017/10/31/rundown-cubs-factor-marlins-looking-dump-stantons-salary-including-jason-heyward-rumors/

 

So, this ain't happening. But, you gotta admit it'd be fun. And I'm not a Stanton guy.

 

Heyward to San Fran for Shark and Melancon, then Cubs trade Almora and/or Happ for Stanton. Monetarily, its adding some money obviously, but not an exorbitant amount. If itdv work with just one of Almora or Happ, to where you can still trade the other for more pitching.....Geez.

 

every time i imagine a scenario where we trade for stanton, im reminded of the saying why would something good happen when something bad could happen instead

[davell]

Honestly, I'd be thrilled with the Heyward for Shark and Melancon part, even if the Stanton part didn't happen.

[toonsterwu]

I tend to think Shark has more value than people seem to be acknowledging, even with that contract, and that, if they opted to move Shark, they could probably get a nice haul in return. Leaving all that aside, was skimming that article - when did Shark become persona non grata with Cubs fans?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

1) why would the Giants consider Shark a toxic asset

 

2) those deals put you around 10 million from the luxury tax and still needing a SP(preferably a good one), at least one RP, and maybe a starting CF

[cl smooth]

I tend to think Shark has more value than people seem to be acknowledging, even with that contract, and that, if they opted to move Shark, they could probably get a nice haul in return. Leaving all that aside, was skimming that article - when did Shark become persona non grata with Cubs fans?

 

Shark was public with his comments about some trades the Cubs did in 2012/2013 and the direction of the ballclub. He was irked that one of the pitchers were traded. I think it was Paul Maholm Scott Feldman?

[davell]

1) why would the Giants consider Shark a toxic asset

 

2) those deals put you around 10 million from the luxury tax and still needing a SP(preferably a good one), at least one RP, and maybe a starting CF

 

But, how about just the first deal?

 

No idea why they'd not like Shark.....And yes, they could get something fairly decent for him alone. But, if they wanted out of Melancon.....I could see the pairing working on some level. Maybe we'd still need to add a prospect or two?

 

If its just the first deal, it adds about 12 mill to our payroll and leaves us our young position players in tact, to still add another SP, if we want. It'd also allow us to pursue a RF again, if we wanted to.

 

Again, not saying it'd be feasible.....Heyward probably would veto. The Giants may not want to pair those 2 together. All sorts of reasons it wouldn't work. But, it'd be fun if it could.

[Cubswin11]

Signing Cobb and some combo of 1 to 2 of Wade, Holland, Shaw, Oh, McGee, Minor, etc would probably cost less than (potentially a good amount) Shark and Melancon and give you the same, if not better, production without the crazy trades. Just do that. Edited October 31, 2017 by Cubswin11

[toonsterwu]

I tend to think Shark has more value than people seem to be acknowledging, even with that contract, and that, if they opted to move Shark, they could probably get a nice haul in return. Leaving all that aside, was skimming that article - when did Shark become persona non grata with Cubs fans?

 

Shark was public with his comments about some trades the Cubs did in 2012/2013 and the direction of the ballclub. He was irked that one of the pitchers were traded. I think it was Paul Maholm Scott Feldman?

 

I know that stuff, but persona non grata? That seems a little more severe. I'm pretty sure it was the Feldman trade, which obviously turned out great for the Cubs.

[toonsterwu]

1) why would the Giants consider Shark a toxic asset

 

2) those deals put you around 10 million from the luxury tax and still needing a SP(preferably a good one), at least one RP, and maybe a starting CF

 

But, how about just the first deal?

 

No idea why they'd not like Shark.....And yes, they could get something fairly decent for him alone. But, if they wanted out of Melancon.....I could see the pairing working on some level. Maybe we'd still need to add a prospect or two?

 

If its just the first deal, it adds about 12 mill to our payroll and leaves us our young position players in tact, to still add another SP, if we want. It'd also allow us to pursue a RF again, if we wanted to.

 

Again, not saying it'd be feasible.....Heyward probably would veto. The Giants may not want to pair those 2 together. All sorts of reasons it wouldn't work. But, it'd be fun if it could.

 

It'd be a great deal for the Cubs. We'd get a capable closer (his numbers weren't bad last year), and a solid innings-eating starter for a guy we desperately want to move on from ... and in that trade hypothetical, get rid of the money in 21-23. I mean, that's a brand, spanking grand slam home run of a win for the Cubs.

[javy knows my name]

I tend to think Shark has more value than people seem to be acknowledging, even with that contract, and that, if they opted to move Shark, they could probably get a nice haul in return. Leaving all that aside, was skimming that article - when did Shark become persona non grata with Cubs fans?

 

Shark was public with his comments about some trades the Cubs did in 2012/2013 and the direction of the ballclub. He was irked that one of the pitchers were traded. I think it was Paul Maholm Scott Feldman?

 

I know that stuff, but persona non grata? That seems a little more severe. I'm pretty sure it was the Feldman trade, which obviously turned out great for the Cubs.

 

Um, you're the one who said it

[toonsterwu]

 

Shark was public with his comments about some trades the Cubs did in 2012/2013 and the direction of the ballclub. He was irked that one of the pitchers were traded. I think it was Paul Maholm Scott Feldman?

 

I know that stuff, but persona non grata? That seems a little more severe. I'm pretty sure it was the Feldman trade, which obviously turned out great for the Cubs.

 

Um, you're the one who said it

 

No, i read it in that article that davell put up there.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Reading trade scenarios centered around guys with No Trade Clauses is one of my biggest internet pet peeves.

 

You might as well talk about the scenarios after Heyward opts out of his contract, cause the likelihood is about as high for that as it would be for him to waive that NTC and be sent off to not contend in san fran.

[biittner77]

Reading trade scenarios centered around guys with No Trade Clauses is one of my biggest internet pet peeves.

 

You might as well talk about the scenarios after Heyward opts out of his contract, cause the likelihood is about as high for that as it would be for him to waive that NTC and be sent off to not contend in san fran.

 

He'd be insane to opt out of his contract. So on any level that is less likely than any other outcome. I'll agree it's unlikely that he oks a trade but if you squint hard enough, you could see him maybe want to be a starter somewhere else as opposed to a vilified bench player here. If his production is about the same, the fan base in Chicago will be a lot harder on him than they would be where ever he got traded. Heyward worked hard last off season. He's a competitor and for that reason he might be willing to go somewhere where he'll have a chance to play every day and prove everyone wrong.