Bears game 1 vs Falcons, Sun at noon on Fox

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I mean, it wasn't an outright bad performance by the defense. But it's getting graded on a curve for being the least objectionable part of a bad team.

 

They pass rush looked mediocre and unreliable, the secondary mistake-prone, and the linebackers solid but beatable.

 

Being absolutely zero threat to force turnovers is hard to overcome.

[UMFan83]

I mean, it wasn't an outright bad performance by the defense. But it's getting graded on a curve for being the least objectionable part of a bad team.

 

They pass rush looked mediocre and unreliable, the secondary mistake-prone, and the linebackers solid but beatable.

 

Being absolutely zero threat to force turnovers is hard to overcome.

 

According to PFF, Ryan was pressured on a third of his dropbacks so not sure what you are getting at there. That's pretty good. Secondary was always going to be a weak spot and they weren't great but they did get third hands on 2 balls and really limited downfield throws. The run defense was stout and held one of the more explosive backs in the league to 3.1 YPC and no runs (besides Ryan's scramble) longer than 7 yards. The tackling was poor and not just on that one play but overall you have to give some consideration to the fact that this is a top 3 offense and in this era you aren't going to get the 2005 Bears allowing 10 points a game.

 

Actually the more I type this post the more I realize how off base you are.

[raw]

I mean, it wasn't an outright bad performance by the defense. But it's getting graded on a curve for being the least objectionable part of a bad team.

 

They pass rush looked mediocre and unreliable, the secondary mistake-prone, and the linebackers solid but beatable.

 

Being absolutely zero threat to force turnovers is hard to overcome.

 

Eh. It was also against the league's reigning top offense. They allowed 2.65 yards per carry to a pair of RBs that got 4.6 per carry last year. The busted coverages and missed tackles can't happen, and I'd hope they won't especially since they came from veterans (Demps) for the most part. But yeah, if this team can't create turnovers they'll have many more moral victories than actual ones this year.

 

Floyd was a non-factor as a pass rusher. And I don't know what was going on with the snap counts, but Bullard wasn't out there very much. I read McPhee only had 4 snaps (probably nowhere near 100%). Acho had a lot of snaps and can't rush the passer at all.

[We Got The Whole 9]

This team is not very far off at all. Get a high pick, trade back a few times and target

 

Receivers, Tackles, Secondary, and pass rushers

 

One more draft like the last couple and we are in business

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This team is not very far off at all. Get a high pick, trade back a few times and target

 

Receivers, Tackles, Secondary, and pass rushers

 

One more draft like the last couple and we are in business

 

Yeah, it'll get there. They're hitting a lot in the draft and I've got a probably irrational exuberance for Trubisky long-term.

[David]

Bottom line is Pace horsefeathers up that pick badly. I didn't think the Bears needed to spend such a high pick at WR when we had so many holes all over but was not completely against it. But the dude was hurt when drafted and has been hurt basically the entire time here. It might not be fair to judge him based on the 5 sporadic NFL games he's played but regardless he hasn't shown anything in those 5 games that makes me think he will be any good.

 

pace has drafted pretty well during his time here (or at least relative to his predecessors) but he horsefeathers that one up

 

He was hurt when he was drafted? Proof of this?

 

This pick was just awful luck, period. It wasn't even considered a reach.

 

I feel awful for White, too, but I didn't expect to get jack horsefeathers out of him. I figured him a bust last year when I actually saw him play.

[Tim]

Bottom line is Pace horsefeathers up that pick badly. I didn't think the Bears needed to spend such a high pick at WR when we had so many holes all over but was not completely against it. But the dude was hurt when drafted and has been hurt basically the entire time here. It might not be fair to judge him based on the 5 sporadic NFL games he's played but regardless he hasn't shown anything in those 5 games that makes me think he will be any good.

 

pace has drafted pretty well during his time here (or at least relative to his predecessors) but he horsefeathers that one up

 

He was hurt when he was drafted? Proof of this?

 

This pick was just awful luck, period. It wasn't even considered a reach.

 

I feel awful for White, too, but I didn't expect to get jack horsefeathers out of him. I figured him a bust last year when I actually saw him play.

To me, that's why it was a bad pick. I haven't seen anything in his receiving skills that warrants a first round pick. I think it was a scouting failure.

[UMFan83]

Bottom line is Pace horsefeathers up that pick badly. I didn't think the Bears needed to spend such a high pick at WR when we had so many holes all over but was not completely against it. But the dude was hurt when drafted and has been hurt basically the entire time here. It might not be fair to judge him based on the 5 sporadic NFL games he's played but regardless he hasn't shown anything in those 5 games that makes me think he will be any good.

 

pace has drafted pretty well during his time here (or at least relative to his predecessors) but he horsefeathers that one up

 

He was hurt when he was drafted? Proof of this?

 

This pick was just awful luck, period. It wasn't even considered a reach.

 

I feel awful for White, too, but I didn't expect to get jack horsefeathers out of him. I figured him a bust last year when I actually saw him play.

 

I might be remembering wrong but I thought the story was that he injured himself during the combine but it was thought to be a minor injury

[Guest]

Bottom line is Pace horsefeathers up that pick badly. I didn't think the Bears needed to spend such a high pick at WR when we had so many holes all over but was not completely against it. But the dude was hurt when drafted and has been hurt basically the entire time here. It might not be fair to judge him based on the 5 sporadic NFL games he's played but regardless he hasn't shown anything in those 5 games that makes me think he will be any good.

 

pace has drafted pretty well during his time here (or at least relative to his predecessors) but he horsefeathers that one up

 

He was hurt when he was drafted? Proof of this?

 

This pick was just awful luck, period. It wasn't even considered a reach.

 

I feel awful for White, too, but I didn't expect to get jack horsefeathers out of him. I figured him a bust last year when I actually saw him play.

To me, that's why it was a bad pick. I haven't seen anything in his receiving skills that warrants a first round pick. I think it was a scouting failure.

 

His best highlights were on bubble/tunnel screens in which he could just run straight ahead and outrun slow secondaries.

[Guest]

I mean, it wasn't an outright bad performance by the defense. But it's getting graded on a curve for being the least objectionable part of a bad team.

 

They pass rush looked mediocre and unreliable, the secondary mistake-prone, and the linebackers solid but beatable.

 

Being absolutely zero threat to force turnovers is hard to overcome.

 

The pass rush looked fine. Ryan was pressured whenever he had to make more than one read. As for turnovers, that's where they come from: strip sacks and pressured throws. They will get enough of them.

 

The Falcons turned the ball over 11 times in 2016. Their backs don't fumble and Ryan throws few INTs. Fuller almost had a huge play on a dropped pass, as well.

 

I'm not sure where you get "zero threat to force turnovers" from, since you either get turnovers or you don't.

[Guest]

And Floyd had a good game, just not as a pass rusher.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not sure where you get "zero threat to force turnovers" from, since you either get turnovers or you don't.

 

This assume that turnovers are just granted to teams, rather than forced.

[jersey cubs fan]

And Floyd had a good game, just not as a pass rusher.

 

The only play I remember him from in particular was a run to the left side where he was essentially unblocked and he pretty much stood around and allowed the RB to run by him for a 7-8 yard gain.

[Guest]

And Floyd had a good game, just not as a pass rusher.

 

The only play I remember him from in particular was a run to the left side where he was essentially unblocked and he pretty much stood around and allowed the RB to run by him for a 7-8 yard gain.

 

He had a pass breakup and 4 total tackles.

[Guest]

I'm not sure where you get "zero threat to force turnovers" from, since you either get turnovers or you don't.

 

This assume that turnovers are just granted to teams, rather than forced.

 

Wait, what? I pretty much said the best way to force turnovers is to pressure the passer. Did you see that?

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not sure where you get "zero threat to force turnovers" from, since you either get turnovers or you don't.

 

This assume that turnovers are just granted to teams, rather than forced.

 

Wait, what? I pretty much said the best way to force turnovers is to pressure the passer. Did you see that?

you also said you didn't understand how somebody could say a team that hasn't been able to force turnovers could be zero threat to force turnovers.

[BigbadB]

I thought the defense played great. The Hooper 88 yarder was unfortunate, but that's really the one play that hurt. They almost got to Ryan on that play. They almost got to him on the keeper that went for a first down. Ryan is just amazing in pressure situations.

 

The receiver situation was about as bad as I assumed it would be. However, Glennon didn't look comfortable out there at all. I suppose a lot of it has to do with the fact he hasn't started an NFL game in a really long time and just needs reps back there in real game situations. Hopefully the prevent defense on the final drives helps his confidence and he starts being a little more trusting of his pocket protection.

 

I'm just not even sad about Kevin White. On the field or off the field, he just doesn't appear to be a factor. I haven't been a big fan of Marcus Wheaton in his previous NFL experience, but I'm pretty sure he is better than Kevin White. And I'll go ahead and say he was better than Kevin White yesterday since he didn't drop a simple pass or get injured for the whole season.

[Guest]

 

This assume that turnovers are just granted to teams, rather than forced.

 

Wait, what? I pretty much said the best way to force turnovers is to pressure the passer. Did you see that?

you also said you didn't understand how somebody could say a team that hasn't been able to force turnovers could be zero threat to force turnovers.

 

No, i didnt say that.

 

Im saying if you're looking for almost turnovers as a sign the team is more than a zero threat, you're probably off base.

[Brian707]

24-23 Bears

 

 

Damn dropped pass

[LeonDurham]

They are horrific at WR. This is worrisome for Trubisky when he finally gets his shot.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

I'm not sure where you get "zero threat to force turnovers" from, since you either get turnovers or you don't.

 

They were 32nd at getting turnovers last year and got 0 yesterday. May be just a coincidence.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

I'm not sure where you get "zero threat to force turnovers" from, since you either get turnovers or you don't.

 

They were 32nd at getting turnovers last year and got 0 yesterday. May be just a coincidence.

I'm not expecting them to be better than average at takeaways, but it is not the same defense as last year, and many if their off-season additions to D did focus on that.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe they'll get better at it.

 

I just think that if we're using "great" for a performance that involved allowing 24 points, forcing zero turnovers, and getting bowled over on two crucial second-half drives, we're going to run out of superlatives if the defense ever does something crazy like hold a team under 20 or put together a couple of forced fumbles.

[UMFan83]

 

I'm not sure where you get "zero threat to force turnovers" from, since you either get turnovers or you don't.

 

They were 32nd at getting turnovers last year and got 0 yesterday. May be just a coincidence.

 

Well lets see...6 of their top 8 players in the secondary including all 4 starters were not on the team or didn't play last year. Then you look at the games missed by the front 7...its probably a good idea not to use last year's defense as data points. You have 1 data point, which is yesterday against a team that gave the ball away less than any team in football last year (tied with NE). And given that a majority of their offense from last year returned I think its fair to use that as a data point.

 

I'm not saying the Bears are peak Lovie Smith era turnover machines, just that we really can't say one way or the other at this point.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I'm not sure where you get "zero threat to force turnovers" from, since you either get turnovers or you don't.

 

They were 32nd at getting turnovers last year and got 0 yesterday. May be just a coincidence.

 

Well lets see...6 of their top 8 players in the secondary including all 4 starters were not on the team or didn't play last year. Then you look at the games missed by the front 7...its probably a good idea not to use last year's defense as data points. You have 1 data point, which is yesterday against a team that gave the ball away less than any team in football last year (tied with NE). And given that a majority of their offense from last year returned I think its fair to use that as a data point.

 

I'm not saying the Bears are peak Lovie Smith era turnover machines, just that we really can't say one way or the other at this point.

 

But you should use last year's team because the one constant is the scheme and fangio's scheme doesn't preach turnovers the way Lovie's taught.