Random Offseason Musings and Rumors

[Cubswin11]

Figured time to start a thread about various rumors and minor transactions

 

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[davell]

Braves signed Dickey. One year with an option.

[Cubswin11]

Idk if it's even been rumored but signing Matt Holliday seems like the most Gianty Giant addition this offseason

[Derwood]

Braves signed Dickey. One year with an option.

 

 

"We are rebuilding with youth like the Cubs!"

 

*acquire Kemp and Dickey because reasons*

[jersey cubs fan]

Braves signed Dickey. One year with an option.

 

 

"We are rebuilding with youth like the Cubs!"

 

*acquire Kemp and Dickey because reasons*

Well you trade dickey at the deadline

[Stop Laughing]

Braves signed Dickey. One year with an option.

 

 

"We are rebuilding with youth like the Cubs!"

 

*acquire Kemp and Dickey because reasons*

Well you trade dickey at the deadline

 

They could trade him for anything in baseball and get younger. It doesn't even need to be human.

[David]

Braves signed Dickey. One year with an option.

 

 

"We are rebuilding with youth like the Cubs!"

 

*acquire Kemp and Dickey because reasons*

 

remember when we signed scott feldman and edwin jackson?

[Sammy Sofa]

Nope.

[UMFan83]

Bartolo Colon signs with the Braves... they have now signed the 2 oldest starting pitchers in baseball (Lackey is 3rd)

[MUCubsfan]

Bartolo Colon signs with the Braves...

Clearly the Braves are taking the "let's piss Mets fans off" strategy this offseason.

[Omar]

I don't follow the Braves. They're rebuilding right?

 

If so, these "filler" moves make sense.

[Tryptamine]

Bartolo Colon signs with the Braves... they have now signed the 2 oldest starting pitchers in baseball (Lackey is 3rd)

 

So we now have Dickey,Colon,Teheran,Blair,Foltynewicz,Wisler,Gant and Perez all fighting it out for 5 spots. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Teheran is on the move.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

cmon Candelario for Wisler

[Tryptamine]

cmon Candelario for Wisler

 

I just don't see it with Wisler. Never been a high K rate guy, sub 6 in the MLB,control in the minors was good but that hasn't carried over to the majors. Velocity is down .5mph from 2015 to 2016 where it sits at 92.5. He gave up 36.7% hard hit balls while his swinging strike rate was 9% and his contact rate in the zone was 90.8%. That all sounds to me like a guy who has to nibble because his stuff isn't good enough to beat major league hitters in the zone.

[davell]

I'd be psyched about it. If we make a deal like that, Jed and McLeod obviously know him well. So I'd figure they see something.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

cmon Candelario for Wisler

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[davell]

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[Brian]

Isn't Lourdes a girls name?

[raw]

cmon Candelario for Wisler

 

I just don't see it with Wisler. Never been a high K rate guy, sub 6 in the MLB,control in the minors was good but that hasn't carried over to the majors. Velocity is down .5mph from 2015 to 2016 where it sits at 92.5. He gave up 36.7% hard hit balls while his swinging strike rate was 9% and his contact rate in the zone was 90.8%. That all sounds to me like a guy who has to nibble because his stuff isn't good enough to beat major league hitters in the zone.

 

Sounds like a guy that fits into what a certain pitching coach has had great success with. But I think Teheran is gone. He makes the most money now and going forward of any of the guys they didn't sign this week, and he'd bring back the biggest return.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

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That's a far lower price tag than I was expecting.

 

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[Transmogrified Tiger]

cmon Candelario for Wisler

 

I just don't see it with Wisler. Never been a high K rate guy, sub 6 in the MLB,control in the minors was good but that hasn't carried over to the majors. Velocity is down .5mph from 2015 to 2016 where it sits at 92.5. He gave up 36.7% hard hit balls while his swinging strike rate was 9% and his contact rate in the zone was 90.8%. That all sounds to me like a guy who has to nibble because his stuff isn't good enough to beat major league hitters in the zone.

 

To be clear, the idea here is that Wisler is treated as the 6th starter at best, which really you can't hope to do more than if you're only giving up Candelario, a Top 100ish prospect that's hard-blocked at the MLB level anyway.

 

But Wisler is a strike thrower with pedigree, can be optioned, and wouldn't cost significant assets, which makes him appealing enough as an effort to add rotation depth.

[Tryptamine]

cmon Candelario for Wisler

 

I just don't see it with Wisler. Never been a high K rate guy, sub 6 in the MLB,control in the minors was good but that hasn't carried over to the majors. Velocity is down .5mph from 2015 to 2016 where it sits at 92.5. He gave up 36.7% hard hit balls while his swinging strike rate was 9% and his contact rate in the zone was 90.8%. That all sounds to me like a guy who has to nibble because his stuff isn't good enough to beat major league hitters in the zone.

 

To be clear, the idea here is that Wisler is treated as the 6th starter at best, which really you can't hope to do more than if you're only giving up Candelario, a Top 100ish prospect that's hard-blocked at the MLB level anyway.

 

But Wisler is a strike thrower with pedigree, can be optioned, and wouldn't cost significant assets, which makes him appealing enough as an effort to add rotation depth.

 

We have limited assets as is, the ones we have need to be used for strong rotational pieces so that we can fill the gaps we're faced with in 2018. Obviously Candelario isn't headlining anything but I don't see why can can't be a secondary piece for an Odorizzi, Robbie Ray, etc.

[Tryptamine]

 

To be clear, the idea here is that Wisler is treated as the 6th starter at best, which really you can't hope to do more than if you're only giving up Candelario, a Top 100ish prospect that's hard-blocked at the MLB level anyway.

 

But Wisler is a strike thrower with pedigree, can be optioned, and wouldn't cost significant assets, which makes him appealing enough as an effort to add rotation depth.

 

We have limited assets as is, the ones we have need to be used for strong rotational pieces so that we can fill the gaps we're faced with in 2018. Obviously Candelario isn't headlining anything but I don't see why can can't be a secondary piece for an Odorizzi, Robbie Ray, etc.

 

Honestly don't see a huge gap between those two names and what Wisler can offer those future rotations. I like Ray too, but all strike me as ceiling ~4 starters in a first division rotation. The ability to option him in 2017 is a huge plus in Wisler's favor or some other similar young arm.

 

Why is it a bonus? I'd prefer push Montgomery to the pen so only one lefty spot needs to be filled, Brett Cecil I'm talking about you.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

We have limited assets as is, the ones we have need to be used for strong rotational pieces so that we can fill the gaps we're faced with in 2018. Obviously Candelario isn't headlining anything but I don't see why can can't be a secondary piece for an Odorizzi, Robbie Ray, etc.

 

Partially because another team has to have a need/want for Candelario. The intersection of teams with interesting controlled pitching that they might trade and teams with an interest in a MLB-ready 3B prospect isn't a large one. Just to use your examples, Longoria(plus Duffy) and Lamb would be two big reasons that Candelario wouldn't hold as much interest as a secondary piece. This is the downside of hoarding hitters, they hold their value better, but in some cases they can be less liquid an asset.