kenley jansen watch thread

[davell]

Does Colome have much of an injury history? Like I wonder if they'd trade for him to close in 2017 with the idea of having him take one of Jake/Lackey's rotation spot in 2018 and beyond.

 

I doubt it. If we dealt for him, I think it'd be strictly for the pen. I do think he's an excellent candidate to be a multiple inning guy though.

[Post Count Padder]

If we're intent on not spending big on a closer, I like the idea of Doolittle or Holland. High reward signings. I'd still be happy with Rondon closing and Strop/Edwards/Grimm as the top setup men.

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Neither of those sound high at all, I would fall over myself trying to get Jansen at 5/80.

 

This is the one part of the offseason that makes me a little nervous. I implicitly trust the front office's judgment, they have the best info on Rondon/Strop, even established relievers break(see Rondon/Strop), and there are a number of trade possibilities that could reinforce the bullpen. On the other hand, you have multiple inning incinerators sitting there for money in an offseason where there's little else to spend on, and I'm pretty sure Rondon(for as much as I love him) is right and truly dead. Don't put us through the 2016 Giants season please.

[Cubswin11]

Yeah count me in on Jansen or Chapman for 5/80-90. Melancon seems like a very Giants closer/FA acquisition

[Bull]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/war-and-relievers/

 

does anyone know if the information in the link above has changed?

 

Is each at bat in a save situation 80% more important than average?

 

If 1 war is worth $8MM, and Kenley Jansen is 3.2 WIN pitcher, is Jansen worth as much as a 6.4 win player? If a 1 war is worth 8MM is a 1 win pitcher worth 8MM and 6 war player worth $48MM AAV? As a players WAR increase does value/war decrease? Shouldn't it be the other way around, since you're getting more out of each position?

[raw]

Does Colome have much of an injury history? Like I wonder if they'd trade for him to close in 2017 with the idea of having him take one of Jake/Lackey's rotation spot in 2018 and beyond.

 

I doubt it. If we dealt for him, I think it'd be strictly for the pen. I do think he's an excellent candidate to be a multiple inning guy though.

 

This is what I like about him most. Guy that can give you 2+ innings in a tough close game presumably in the playoffs. And he's not so established in that role that you have to put him in only to finish the game to protect his ego.

 

I dream of him kinda tandem closing with Edwards. Allows you to still protect CJ from back-to-backs if necessary, and you can use Colome for multiple innings and give him a day off the next day.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Weren't we told early in each of the past two offseasons not to expect much activity, only to end up with Lester, and then Heyward, Lackey & Zobrist? Or am I misremembering? I'd be surprised if we're not at least in on the premier closers. I'm going to be very surprised if we go with a question mark like Holland as the lead offseason bullpen acquisition. It just seems like you don't acknowledge the value of an elite closer by giving up a prospect like Torres in 2016, only to go into 2017 with a gaping hole at the back end of the pen. Especially when all it would cost to fill it is money.

[davell]

Weren't we told early in each of the past two offseasons not to expect much activity, only to end up with Lester, and then Heyward, Lackey & Zobrist? Or am I misremembering? I'd be surprised if we're not at least in on the premier closers. I'm going to be very surprised if we go with a question mark like Holland as the lead offseason bullpen acquisition. It just seems like you don't acknowledge the value of an elite closer by giving up a prospect like Torres in 2016, only to go into 2017 with a gaping hole at the back end of the pen. Especially when all it would cost to fill it is money.

 

They weren't going to telegraph anything, but they certainly brought up the Tanaka money a bunch. It was just a matter of time before it was used. Lester was a target from Day 1. Last year, they said they needed the right fit, but definitely gave the impression they COULD spend, if things fell right. The question was whether it was getting spent on hitting or pitching.

[Gilby]

I just don't believe the reports we're not going hard after Jansen. We have like two roster spots left, either two bullpen arms, or a starter and a reliever, because of Montgomery's versatility. And even if we do acquire a starter, it won't cost much money (most likely). I get we don't have to spend money and we already have the best team, and maybe Theo had to beg PTR for some extra cash last year, but the back end of the bullpen is the one spot on this team that borders being a weakness. Like you would think the playoff money will go somewhere.

[davell]

I don't think its truly a matter of whether we CAN spend on a closer, as much as it is about whether we want to.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I don't think its truly a matter of whether we CAN spend on a closer, as much as it is about whether we want to.

 

I guess I just don't get why we wouldn't want to when there's nothing else to spend on this offseason. I get that last season was supposedly two offseasons of spending, but then we won the World Series and collected all the additional revenue that comes with that. I remember seeing figures floating around here last year about marginal revenue per playoff game, but can't remember the number. Does anyone remember? I feel like it was significant.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Melancon sounds like such a Giants signing. Would love to get that first closer domino to fall so we can find out if the Cubs can land Jansen.

 

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I like Holland and Feliz for Jansen's money

 

I'd also like to see if Detroit would trade Justin Wilson

 

Feliz

Holland

Wilson

Grimm

Zastryzny/Duensing

Strop

Rondon

 

That's a hell of a pen

[jersey cubs fan]

I like Holland and Feliz for Jansen's money

 

I'd also like to see if Detroit would trade Justin Wilson

 

Feliz

Holland

Wilson

Grimm

Zastryzny/Duensing

Strop

Rondon

 

That's a hell of a pen

No hot Carl?

[We Got The Whole 9]

Total brain fart. Knew it didn't look right... then just get Holland and Wilson.

[Splendid Splinter]

Total brain fart. Knew it didn't look right... then just get Holland and Wilson.

 

Are you Wilson's brother or something? Pretty sure the past 20 or so posts you made have been about getting Justin Wilson in a trade.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Total brain fart. Knew it didn't look right... then just get Holland and Wilson.

 

Are you Wilson's brother or something? Pretty sure the past 20 or so posts you made have been about getting Justin Wilson in a trade.

I think a lefty that averages 95 would be a great addition to the pen and nobody else is mentioning him

[Cubswin11]

Total brain fart. Knew it didn't look right... then just get Holland and Wilson.

 

Are you Wilson's brother or something? Pretty sure the past 20 or so posts you made have been about getting Justin Wilson in a trade.

I think a lefty that averages 95 would be a great addition to the pen and nobody else is mentioning him

He's not all that great though, especially if the proposals you've thrown out is what he's going to cost.

[Clem Fandango]

DON'T YOU IGNORE THIS MAN

 

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[davell]

Rizzo's tiny face beats Wilson's square face in rock, paper, scissors.

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Are you Wilson's brother or something? Pretty sure the past 20 or so posts you made have been about getting Justin Wilson in a trade.

I think a lefty that averages 95 would be a great addition to the pen and nobody else is mentioning him

He's not all that great though, especially if the proposals you've thrown out is what he's going to cost.

 

I have no idea what his cost will be but I'm estimating Soler's value to be quite low being a DH who hasnt hit and I figure you need to add an MLB arm to get the deal done. Grimm is at the bottom of the totem pole so I'd think he'd be the first to go.

[We Got The Whole 9]

DON'T YOU IGNORE THIS MAN

 

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Is a power lefty who posted a 3.8 KBB last year not a good option or something?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I think a lefty that averages 95 would be a great addition to the pen and nobody else is mentioning him

He's not all that great though, especially if the proposals you've thrown out is what he's going to cost.

 

I have no idea what his cost will be but I'm estimating Soler's value to be quite low being a DH who hasnt hit and I figure you need to add an MLB arm to get the deal done. Grimm is at the bottom of the totem pole so I'd think he'd be the first to go.

 

We need to see what state Strop and especially Rondon are in before we start trading away a guy like Grimm (unless you plan on bringing in more than Wilson).

[We Got The Whole 9]

He's not all that great though, especially if the proposals you've thrown out is what he's going to cost.

 

I have no idea what his cost will be but I'm estimating Soler's value to be quite low being a DH who hasnt hit and I figure you need to add an MLB arm to get the deal done. Grimm is at the bottom of the totem pole so I'd think he'd be the first to go.

 

We need to see what state Strop and especially Rondon are in before we start trading away a guy like Grimm (unless you plan on bringing in more than Wilson).

 

Yeah I mentioned Holland as well. He's another question mark but he's been far better than Grimm when healthy. You bring up a valid point but there was no structural damage to either Rondon or Strop, right? I know relievers can break out of nowhere but they didn't seem to have grave injuries. I imagine they'll be back to full strength next year.

[Cubswin11]

I think a lefty that averages 95 would be a great addition to the pen and nobody else is mentioning him

He's not all that great though, especially if the proposals you've thrown out is what he's going to cost.

 

I have no idea what his cost will be but I'm estimating Soler's value to be quite low being a DH who hasnt hit and I figure you need to add an MLB arm to get the deal done. Grimm is at the bottom of the totem pole so I'd think he'd be the first to go.

Soler and Grimm for Wilson is a terrible waste of resources for us and I don't think either are worth all that much to begin with. That move doesn't make us any better and probably slightly worse, imo. And again, if you look at the numbers from last year Wilson and Grimm were pretty similar pitchers.

Edited December 4, 2016 by Cubswin11