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Cubs add Chapman for Torres, et al. imb wishes we paid more

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Nothing will ever top the Nomar trade I'm pretty sure, but it's fun to be on the buyer side of the talks.

 

 

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McKinney has lost a decent amount of value this year. Evidently put on some bad weight. He definitely didn't have the ability to ever headline a deal of any magnitude. But he likely winds up regaining some value next year and turning into a second division starter or solid 4th OFer type.

 

Well, yeah, on that end of it, if McKinney is the 3rd piece (not that we know that to be true) then you can be pretty safe in feeling the 4th is a complete nothing.

 

i was pretty sure the second piece would be a complete nothing when i heard the first piece was torres.

Warren is the 2nd piece so...

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Well, yeah, on that end of it, if McKinney is the 3rd piece (not that we know that to be true) then you can be pretty safe in feeling the 4th is a complete nothing.

 

Unfortunately, I feel like that's what was being said for the 2nd (and 3rd) piece.

 

And they're Warren and McKinney...so pretty much true?

 

Mckinney doesn't turn 22 for another month and has shown success (last year) at AA.

 

Warren is 35 major league innings removed from a 2 WAR season with 2 more years of team control. It's not Jimenez, but it's nothing considering 48 hours ago most people didn't want to trade Torres for Chapman straight up.

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McKinney now too?

 

This is the type of package I thought it would take to get Miller.

 

This is disgusting. What the horsefeathers is Theo thinking?

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Unfortunately, I feel like that's what was being said for the 2nd (and 3rd) piece.

 

And they're Warren and McKinney...so pretty much true?

 

Mckinney doesn't turn 22 for another month and has shown success (last year) at AA.

 

Warren is 35 major league innings removed from a 2 WAR season with 2 more years of team control. It's not Jimenez, but it's nothing considering 48 hours ago most people didn't want to trade Torres for Chapman straight up.

 

If McKinney turned out to be Matt Murton, it'd be worthy of a parade.

 

Warren has been a disaster.

 

Recency matters a lot.

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And Chapman isn't just a good (or even great) relief pitcher. If he is not #1, he is one of the most dominating relief pitchers in baseball history. He is a weapon at the end of games. He's proven he can go either multiple innings or multiple days in a row without losing his stuff. He's a difference maker.

 

He's also an ass, but that's a different subject that's been beaten to death already.

 

I would hope that Joe is smart enough to not just use him as a 9th inning guy. If Bryce Harper is up with 2 on in the 7th inning trailing by a run in a playoff game, I don't want Travis Wood or Montgomery pitching to him there. I want the guy that has a career .397 OPS against vs. lefties to be pitching there. Use Chapman as the closer a majority of the time, but if you have to use him earlier, Rondon steps in to close.

 

What do you think the odds are of that exact situation happening?

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McKinney now too?

 

This is the type of package I thought it would take to get Miller.

 

This is disgusting. What the [expletive] is Theo thinking?

 

I'd feel better had Theo signed an extension already. Hahahaha?

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So 1 year of IFA spending, Starlin Castro, Jason Hammel (lets just call him the trade Shark for Russell and Hammel for McKinney) and another piece for 40 innings of dominant relief?
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And they're Warren and McKinney...so pretty much true?

 

Mckinney doesn't turn 22 for another month and has shown success (last year) at AA.

 

Warren is 35 major league innings removed from a 2 WAR season with 2 more years of team control. It's not Jimenez, but it's nothing considering 48 hours ago most people didn't want to trade Torres for Chapman straight up.

 

If McKinney turned out to be Matt Murton, it'd be worthy of a parade.

 

Warren has been a disaster.

 

Recency matters a lot.

Yeah McKinney isn't really a thing anymore, especially after the knee injury. He's pretty much only a LF at this point.

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Real talk:

 

Would we have been better off with just swapping Schwarber 1-for-1?

 

holy horsefeathering horsefeathers NO

 

what the hell man

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And they're Warren and McKinney...so pretty much true?

 

Mckinney doesn't turn 22 for another month and has shown success (last year) at AA.

 

Warren is 35 major league innings removed from a 2 WAR season with 2 more years of team control. It's not Jimenez, but it's nothing considering 48 hours ago most people didn't want to trade Torres for Chapman straight up.

 

If McKinney turned out to be Matt Murton, it'd be worthy of a parade.

 

Warren has been a disaster.

 

Recency matters a lot.

 

Well Matt Murton gave us 5.2 WAR in his (roughly) two seasons of at bats here at the league minimum, so if Mckinney got anywhere close to that, it's probably not a good idea to trade him for about 30 innings of relief pitching.

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I think that the price we're paying here will actually help insure guys like Miller and Davis stay put. Teams asking prices are already high, they'll become astronomical now. If this is the price for a guy who's giving you 30 innings, what's it going to be for an elite SP now? From this perspective, I think we've played a fairly good game of Keep Away. Because the selling teams will hold onto guys if the return isn't in line with this one.
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Mckinney doesn't turn 22 for another month and has shown success (last year) at AA.

 

Warren is 35 major league innings removed from a 2 WAR season with 2 more years of team control. It's not Jimenez, but it's nothing considering 48 hours ago most people didn't want to trade Torres for Chapman straight up.

 

If McKinney turned out to be Matt Murton, it'd be worthy of a parade.

 

Warren has been a disaster.

 

Recency matters a lot.

 

Well Matt Murton gave us 5.2 WAR in his (roughly) two seasons of at bats here at the league minimum, so if Mckinney got anywhere close to that, it's probably not a good idea to trade him for about 30 innings of relief pitching.

 

I said if he became that, it'd be worthy of a parade. Meaning I think it's very unlikely he becomes that.

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I don't mind the proposed trade at all. I don't think the cost per tangible baseball improvement ratio is really that much more than the Montgomery for Vogelbach trade. Edited by Elrhino
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