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A 4 for 1 deal that includes our #1 prospect for a 2 month rental reliever (albeit an elite one).

 

Theo is going all Boston era on us after making a Cubs era Theo deal in getting Montgomery.

 

Not happy at all. They deserve our trust but after all the stuff about not mortgaging the future for any one season, this seems like a real odd move.

 

He's not our #1 prospect. Not in reality.

 

He's in a cluster with 2 others who are pretty close to each other. Fine call him a top 30 prospect

 

I'm pretty sure Contreras still counts as a prospect, so he's #1. I'd personally have Eloy #2, and I'm not convinced Almora isn't #3, given that he's shown himself capable of being a (little bit) above average MLB regular over a decent sample size without any crazy BABIPing or anything and he's still only 22.

 

That's also just me not being very high on Gleyber to begin with, though. As much as that can be said for a 19 year old MIF hitting well in A+.

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Yeah we are pretty much down to just having to trust Theo at this point. Because this tends to go away from his and others belief that the playoffs are a total crapshoot.

 

Tim tried to come up with a solid arguement that maybe Theo thinks the 1 to 2 percent increase in winning it all is more than Torres would ever bring, but it still seems odd.

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He's not our #1 prospect. Not in reality.

 

He's in a cluster with 2 others who are pretty close to each other. Fine call him a top 30 prospect

 

I'm pretty sure Contreras still counts as a prospect, so he's #1. I'd personally have Eloy #2, and I'm not convinced Almora isn't #3, given that he's shown himself capable of being a (little bit) above average MLB regular over a decent sample size without any crazy BABIPing or anything and he's still only 22.

 

That's also just me not being very high on Gleyber to begin with, though. As much as that can be said for a 19 year old MIF hitting well in A+.

 

Pretty sure Contreras and Almora have graduated. I can't remember who got called up first but I remember reading that Almora graduated right before going back down.

 

Anyways, regardless of how you value Torres, my point stands that he is a consensus top 30 prospect (ok maybe consensus top 50), so giving up a player valued as a top 50 guy along with 3 other guys for a 2 month rental reliever is very un-theo like.

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He's in a cluster with 2 others who are pretty close to each other. Fine call him a top 30 prospect

 

I'm pretty sure Contreras still counts as a prospect, so he's #1. I'd personally have Eloy #2, and I'm not convinced Almora isn't #3, given that he's shown himself capable of being a (little bit) above average MLB regular over a decent sample size without any crazy BABIPing or anything and he's still only 22.

 

That's also just me not being very high on Gleyber to begin with, though. As much as that can be said for a 19 year old MIF hitting well in A+.

 

Pretty sure Contreras and Almora have graduated. I can't remember who got called up first but I remember reading that Almora graduated right before going back down.

 

Almora has fewer games and plate appearances than Joey Gallo, who was on prospect lists going into this season and has only one MLB PA this year.

 

Contreras is still below the threshold for rookie status (which I think is enough to make him qualify as a "prospect" but I'm not positive if the criteria differs at all), though he won't be for long.

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I guess the best we can hope for is something like Torres/Warren/Richard/Balaguert + an extension?

 

I don't love it but I like it even less with any of our other top 5 guys replacing Torres. If it was Eloy I would have spontaneously combusted.

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I don't know horsefeathers about baseball compared to many here but i can't that emotional over losing a current single a player.
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It's nice that we got rid of Castro's contract but I'm super not thrilled that Adam Warren went from potentially effective swingman and nice piece to someone that's a throw-in in a trade for a reliever (albeit an awesome one) in 4 months.
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I don't know [expletive] about baseball compared to many here but i can't that emotional over losing a current single a player.

it's not about "Torres", it's the perceived value of each piece. Chapman is only signed through the end of the year so the concern is that, while he is a tremendous value, we may be parting with more value than we should for the marginal short-term upgrade

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I don't know [expletive] about baseball compared to many here but i can't that emotional over losing a current single a player.

 

I've said it before, but my issue isn't being upset with losing a good single A player so much as thinking we can/should be able to get more for him. But given our roster construction, maybe we can't get something more impactful. The only better thing might be upgrading one of the rotation spots, and doing something worthwhile there seems even more prohibitively expensive. And it looks like this is what the market is. Theo definitely knows better than we do.

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I'm pretty sure Contreras still counts as a prospect, so he's #1. I'd personally have Eloy #2, and I'm not convinced Almora isn't #3, given that he's shown himself capable of being a (little bit) above average MLB regular over a decent sample size without any crazy BABIPing or anything and he's still only 22.

 

That's also just me not being very high on Gleyber to begin with, though. As much as that can be said for a 19 year old MIF hitting well in A+.

 

Pretty sure Contreras and Almora have graduated. I can't remember who got called up first but I remember reading that Almora graduated right before going back down.

 

Almora has fewer games and plate appearances than Joey Gallo, who was on prospect lists going into this season and has only one MLB PA this year.

 

Contreras is still below the threshold for rookie status (which I think is enough to make him qualify as a "prospect" but I'm not positive if the criteria differs at all), though he won't be for long.

Determining rookie status:

A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).

 

It is the days for Almora.

 

I'm going to update the NSB ranking page after the deadline and ask people to update their lists (or enter one for the first time).

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I guess the best we can hope for is something like Torres/Warren/Richard/Balaguert + an extension?

 

I don't love it but I like it even less with any of our other top 5 guys replacing Torres. If it was Eloy I would have spontaneously combusted.

 

Bless you, and you are right that that's the best we can hope for, but there is not going to be an extension.

 

It never made sense to begin with from Chap's perspective. No 28-year-old at the top of his game is going to sign for market value and only for four years when they are two months away from being able to pick where they want to live and what team they want to play for.

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Pretty sure Contreras and Almora have graduated. I can't remember who got called up first but I remember reading that Almora graduated right before going back down.

 

Almora has fewer games and plate appearances than Joey Gallo, who was on prospect lists going into this season and has only one MLB PA this year.

 

Contreras is still below the threshold for rookie status (which I think is enough to make him qualify as a "prospect" but I'm not positive if the criteria differs at all), though he won't be for long.

Determining rookie status:

A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).

 

It is the days for Almora.

 

I'm going to update the NSB ranking page after the deadline and ask people to update their lists (or enter one for the first time).

 

Well that's way harder to figure out so not my fault :-"

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I'm pretty sure Contreras still counts as a prospect, so he's #1. I'd personally have Eloy #2, and I'm not convinced Almora isn't #3, given that he's shown himself capable of being a (little bit) above average MLB regular over a decent sample size without any crazy BABIPing or anything and he's still only 22.

 

That's also just me not being very high on Gleyber to begin with, though. As much as that can be said for a 19 year old MIF hitting well in A+.

 

Pretty sure Contreras and Almora have graduated. I can't remember who got called up first but I remember reading that Almora graduated right before going back down.

 

Almora has fewer games and plate appearances than Joey Gallo, who was on prospect lists going into this season and has only one MLB PA this year.

 

Contreras is still below the threshold for rookie status (which I think is enough to make him qualify as a "prospect" but I'm not positive if the criteria differs at all), though he won't be for long.

 

Looking at MLB.com's top 30 mid-season Cubs prospects, Contreras is on the list and Almora is not. So sounds like Almora graduated and Contreras will also graduate within the next couple of weeks.

 

Edit: Tim answered already

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