Cubs add Chapman for Torres, et al. imb wishes we paid more

[Tim]

 

but......If you subscribe to the theory of crapshoot, there aren't case by case basis. If you take each one case by case you don't really believe in the theory.

 

Or am I wrong?

They could think that one portion of the game influences the odds more than others and still believe it is a crap shoot overall. Or that improving their odds by some margin in this year's crapshoot weighs more heavily than the future value of whatever prospects they are giving up.

 

There are other variants out there that would allow for both the belief that the playoffs are a crapshoot and that the deal makes sense.

 

This is what I would have believed last year. But I thought I finally grasped that it's all a crapshoot and it doesn't matter who you add. Like people here have said you could add Chapman, Miller and Jose Fernandez and still have an 80 percent chance of losing.

 

Oh well. I'll admit I'm an idiot. I'll be happy landing Chapman and not worry about it.

As someone else said, it might only move the needle by 2%. But the front office may feel that the future value Torres is worth less than that 2% for a variety of reasons.

[imb]

Meant to post here:

 

 

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Oh man what will we do without a shitty RP we sent to the minors and a guy who can't hit

[Butterscup]

wait yeah do we think candelario and warren are good all the sudden?

[davell]

I hate that THIS is what we're doing. But I trust Theo knows what the market is for everything. His job IS to win. He's looking at Chapman maybe pitching against us in the playoffs and us spending even heavier on something else that could gut us. Chapman is a shitbag-I can't stand him. But he is an impact guy and my guess is Theo knows how hard it is to grab something else of impact and begrudgingly figures this makes the most baseball sense.

 

But horsefeathers Chapman, I hope Lackey yells at him.

[imb]

They could think that one portion of the game influences the odds more than others and still believe it is a crap shoot overall. Or that improving their odds by some margin in this year's crapshoot weighs more heavily than the future value of whatever prospects they are giving up.

 

There are other variants out there that would allow for both the belief that the playoffs are a crapshoot and that the deal makes sense.

 

This is what I would have believed last year. But I thought I finally grasped that it's all a crapshoot and it doesn't matter who you add. Like people here have said you could add Chapman, Miller and Jose Fernandez and still have an 80 percent chance of losing.

 

Oh well. I'll admit I'm an idiot. I'll be happy landing Chapman and not worry about it.

As someone else said, it might only move the needle by 2%. But the front office may feel that the future value Torres is worth less than that 2% for a variety of reasons.

 

Or that, considering our relative strengths (eveything except RP) and weaknesses (our RP) securing the back end of games is worth more than 2%. Part of the reason the playoffs are a crapshoot is because one game can wildly swing an entire series, going from bad to great in the bullpen is worth a light hitting blocked teenager.

[Gmoney08]

 

but......If you subscribe to the theory of crapshoot, there aren't case by case basis. If you take each one case by case you don't really believe in the theory.

 

Or am I wrong?

They could think that one portion of the game influences the odds more than others and still believe it is a crap shoot overall. Or that improving their odds by some margin in this year's crapshoot weighs more heavily than the future value of whatever prospects they are giving up.

 

There are other variants out there that would allow for both the belief that the playoffs are a crapshoot and that the deal makes sense.

 

This is what I would have believed last year. But I thought I finally grasped that it's all a crapshoot and it doesn't matter who you add. Like people here have said you could add Chapman, Miller and Jose Fernandez and still have an 80 percent chance of losing.

 

Oh well. I'll admit I'm an idiot. I'll be happy landing Chapman and not worry about it.

 

Chapman, Miller, and Fernandez would probably put us near a 25% chance of winning. I read somewhere truly elite teams can push to around a 25% chance of winning the title.

[TruffleShuffle]

i pretty much agree with that logic as long as they aren't in a remotely tight race. deadline deals are about securing playoff berths. making them for the playoffs themselves is, in reality, pretty silly. i can see it making sense if you're, say, upgrading your #2 starter from like jason hammel to jose fernandez, but that's about it. and most of the time such a team (with jason hammel as their #2) probably needs the help to get in to the playoffs to begin with.

 

i'm far too lazy to look it up, but i think that regular season bullpen quality was one of the few things that was correlated with winning in the playoffs. with lackey, arrieta and lester struggling recently, and hendricks not really a guy who goes deep into ballgames, the ability to put the boot down with three very good to elite arms from the 7th inning onward is extremely valuable. the cubs are also extremely deep in hitting, and torres is almost certainly going to be blocked by some combination of russell, zobrist, happ and baez by the time he's major league ready.

 

the only part that really annoys me is that if you're okay trading for a butthole like chapman, then do it in the offseason when his value was really low. the package the yankees gave up to get him was relatively weak, and now they're getting back a top 50 prospect for 3 months of him. but really, nothing has changed. he's still an amazing pitcher and he's still a guy who beat his wife.

[Tim]

wait yeah do we think candelario and warren are good all the sudden?

My opinion of Warren has decreased from where I had it to begin the year and my opinion of Jeimer has increased (even though he is not yet ready for MLB). But I won't lose sleep over either of those guys in this trade.

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[Gmoney08]

But [expletive] Chapman, I hope Lackey yells at him.

 

I hope Chapman shoots out the new ceiling of the new clubhouse and lets Lackey know the next time he whines about our elite defense the next is going right between his donkey teeth.

[TruffleShuffle]

I hate that THIS is what we're doing. But I trust Theo knows what the market is for everything. His job IS to win. He's looking at Chapman maybe pitching against us in the playoffs and us spending even heavier on something else that could gut us. Chapman is a [expletive] can't stand him. But he is an impact guy and my guess is Theo knows how hard it is to grab something else of impact and begrudgingly figures this makes the most baseball sense.

 

But [expletive] Chapman, I hope Lackey yells at him.

 

yells at him about what, how to treat women the right way?

[David]

i pretty much agree with that logic as long as they aren't in a remotely tight race. deadline deals are about securing playoff berths. making them for the playoffs themselves is, in reality, pretty silly. i can see it making sense if you're, say, upgrading your #2 starter from like jason hammel to jose fernandez, but that's about it. and most of the time such a team (with jason hammel as their #2) probably needs the help to get in to the playoffs to begin with.

 

i'm far too lazy to look it up, but i think that regular season bullpen quality was one of the few things that was correlated with winning in the playoffs. with lackey, arrieta and lester struggling recently, and hendricks not really a guy who goes deep into ballgames, the ability to put the boot down with three very good to elite arms from the 7th inning onward is extremely valuable. the cubs are also extremely deep in hitting, and torres is almost certainly going to be blocked by some combination of russell, zobrist, happ and baez by the time he's major league ready.

 

the only part that really annoys me is that if you're okay trading for a butthole like chapman, then do it in the offseason when his value was really low. the package the yankees gave up to get him was relatively weak, and now they're getting back a top 50 prospect for 3 months of him. but really, nothing has changed. he's still an amazing pitcher and he's still a guy who beat his wife.

 

i think a lot of attempts have been made to find things that translate into postseason success (the secret sauce, bullpens now, starting pitching, etc) and i'm at the point where i think attempting to do so is attempting to prove bigfoot exists.

[nolanwood]

Torres plus more is what it takes to rent a relief pitcher for two months? A relief pitcher with nearly identical peripherals to our current closer. :barf:

[bcl412]

The idea of a 6 inning ballgame where we already have the best offense and a really good pitching staff is a nice one.

[bhogg]

But [expletive] Chapman, I hope Lackey yells at him.

 

I hope Chapman shoots out the new ceiling of the new clubhouse and lets Lackey know the next time he whines about our elite defense the next is going right between his donkey teeth.

 

 

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but if Warren is included, we better be getting something in addition to Chapman. something like Castro...

[17 Seconds]

Torres plus more is what it takes to rent a relief pitcher for two months? A relief pitcher with nearly identical peripherals to our current closer. :barf:

 

but he's not replacing rondon. we get both of dems

[Schwarber Fan]

I hope all you guys with a moral issue regarding rooting for Chapman don't pull for an NFL team, where Chapmans are a dime a dozen.

[RynoRules]

Meant to post here:

 

 

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Oh man what will we do without a [expletive] RP we sent to the minors and a guy who can't hit

 

Not what I meant by that - I can't believe the Yankees want Warren back under this or any circumstance.

[TruffleShuffle]

i wouldn't be upset about trading warren. i'd just be annoyed that he was a reasonably good player for two years with the yankees and then inexplicably turned into a complete turd with the cubs.

 

although i guess the yankees would also have hoped that starlin would actually be a decent baseball player too.

[Tim]

Assuming this happens, the depth chart at RP starts to get a little crazy:

 

Chapman

Rondon

Strop

 

Edwards

Montgomery

 

Wood

Grimm

Cahill

 

Nathan

 

Matusz

 

Patton

[rocket]

I hope all you guys with a moral issue regarding rooting for Chapman don't pull for an NFL team, where Chapmans are a dime a dozen.

 

You can still love the Cubs and feel weird about them acquiring an abuser

[TruffleShuffle]

Assuming this happens, the depth chart at RP starts to get a little crazy:

 

Chapman

Rondon

Strop

 

Edwards

Montgomery

 

Wood

Grimm

Cahill

 

Nathan

 

Matusz

 

Patton

 

how could you forget clayton richard?!?

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Yeah it felt like that extension [expletive] went out the window hours ago.