Jorge Soler's Humongous Dongs

[squally1313]

Soler is making Baez the guy to move for pitching if he keeps this up.

Get zobrist another ring, and then sell high on his 'clubhouse presence'.

 

I know that makes little sense baseball wise, but I don't want to see any of these young dongers in another uniform for the next ten years.

 

Or, really, how long do you think it would take javy to pick up center field? A few hours?

[David]

#keepthemall

[Banedon]

#keepthemall

 

I don't understand this need to trade away our good young players. SIgn FA starting pitching. Trade guys in the minors. Don't trade our big league guys.

[jersey cubs fan]

Soler is making Baez the guy to move for pitching if he keeps this up.

The guy who can dong on occasion and play every position on infield vs the guy who can song on occasion and can't play any position in the outfield.

[mul21]

Soler is making Baez the guy to move for pitching if he keeps this up.

The guy who can dong on occasion and play every position on infield vs the guy who can song on occasion and can't play any position in the outfield.

 

Jorge sings? Salsa, reggae, what?

[David]

Regardless of Soler (or Baez) can we all go back to LLF implying that "a young cost effective Soriano" is something not insanely valuable that you would do everything in your power to have around and/or keep?

[muntjack]

Jorge has a better walk rate and lower K rate than Bryant. Javy is a completely different beast. I trade neither. Candelario has a .900 OPS in AAA at 22. Eloy is a top 50 prospect. There is value there. Hitters on the farm now exist to be moved. We can get a cost-controlled starter without damaging the major league lineup.

[Tryptamine]

#keepthemall

 

I don't understand this need to trade away our good young players. SIgn FA starting pitching. Trade guys in the minors. Don't trade our big league guys.

 

There is no one worth having in the 2016/2017 FA list and that's going to put a ton of pressure on them to add as many as 3 starters in 2017/2018FA

[Buster]

Soler's last calendar year: 260 PA, .261/.361/.518/.879, 23% K%, 13% BB%

 

Schwarber's MLB career: 309 PA, .251/.359/.521/.880, 28% K%, 13% BB%

Great post. That's pretty insane.

[Banedon]

#keepthemall

 

I don't understand this need to trade away our good young players. SIgn FA starting pitching. Trade guys in the minors. Don't trade our big league guys.

 

There is no one worth having in the 2016/2017 FA list and that's going to put a ton of pressure on them to add as many as 3 starters in 2017/2018FA

 

Ok. Well we have our own FA pitchers we can re-sign. And I'm fine with pressure being on the FO to sign starters. Don't trade our big league position players.

[Sammy Sofa]

Regardless of Soler (or Baez) can we all go back to LLF implying that "a young cost effective Soriano" is something not insanely valuable that you would do everything in your power to have around and/or keep?

 

I said before I think his likely path is Soriano with worse defense, baserunning and nagging injuries. Not without his value, but that's a whole lot of "ehhhhhh" when people start talking like he's looking like another can't-miss young player. Given the shitty pitching FA market and how old (and, quite frankly, REALLY lucky in terms of injuries) the Cubs' starting rotation is, using him as part of a deal to try and bolster that area doesn't seem like the worst idea.

 

Hitting Soler is fun, but minus the NL looking like it's going to get the DH soon, I would mind at all if they opt to trade him if it looks like his value is back up to the point he nets something very good in return. I mean, I look at it as win-win either way.

[David]

Regardless of Soler (or Baez) can we all go back to LLF implying that "a young cost effective Soriano" is something not insanely valuable that you would do everything in your power to have around and/or keep?

 

I said before I think his likely path is Soriano with worse defense, baserunning and nagging injuries. Not without his value, but that's a whole lot of "ehhhhhh" when people start talking like he's looking like another can't-miss young player. Given the [expletive] pitching FA market and how old (and, quite frankly, REALLY lucky in terms of injuries) the Cubs' starting rotation is, using him as part of a deal to try and bolster that area doesn't seem like the worst idea.

 

Hitting Soler is fun, but minus the NL looking like it's going to get the DH soon, I would mind at all if they opt to trade him if it looks like his value is back up to the point he nets something very good in return. I mean, I look at it as win-win either way.

How is this a response to what you quoted?

[Sammy Sofa]

Regardless of Soler (or Baez) can we all go back to LLF implying that "a young cost effective Soriano" is something not insanely valuable that you would do everything in your power to have around and/or keep?

 

I said before I think his likely path is Soriano with worse defense, baserunning and nagging injuries. Not without his value, but that's a whole lot of "ehhhhhh" when people start talking like he's looking like another can't-miss young player. Given the [expletive] pitching FA market and how old (and, quite frankly, REALLY lucky in terms of injuries) the Cubs' starting rotation is, using him as part of a deal to try and bolster that area doesn't seem like the worst idea.

 

Hitting Soler is fun, but minus the NL looking like it's going to get the DH soon, I would mind at all if they opt to trade him if it looks like his value is back up to the point he nets something very good in return. I mean, I look at it as win-win either way.

How is this a response to what you quoted?

 

Magic.

[Tim]

I'm certainly willing to consider a trade of either Javy or Jorge for young pitching in the offseason. But I doubt the other teams would be willing to give up the pitchers I would want for either one of them.

[USSoccer]

Trading Javy, who's the best defender on the team, just so you can have room for a guy who makes Aramis look durable in terms of leg muscle injuries, would be dumb.

[muntjack]

My #1 takeaway from these conversations is that we're all spoiled as hell.

 

Age 24 seasons:

 

Sosa .261/.309/.485, 5.9/21.1 BB/K%, .343 wOBA

 

Soler .252/.342/.459 10.9/22.3 BB/K% .345 wOBA

 

No room in the lineup for you!

 

Really though, don't trade this man.

[Cubswin11]

You guys sure are pointing out a lot of flaws for an asset you want to bring something of value of back with. The answer is keep them all, spend money and prospects on acquiring pitching. Edited August 18, 2016 by Cubswin11

[Ding Dong Johnson]

and just wait... Eloy is going to be everything we thought Georgie would be and more.

[Sammy Sofa]

My #1 takeaway from these conversations is that we're all spoiled as hell.

 

Age 24 seasons:

 

Sosa .261/.309/.485, 5.9/21.1 BB/K%, .343 wOBA

 

Soler .252/.342/.459 10.9/22.3 BB/K% .345 wOBA

 

No room in the lineup for you!

 

Really though, don't trade this man.

 

Come on, man; this is just goofy.

[Sammy Sofa]

You guys sure are pointing out a lot of flaws for an asset you want to bring something of value of back with. The answer is keep them all, spend money and prospects in acquiring pitching.

 

Personally, I think his key flaws are mitigated significantly if he can be a DH, hence him ideally having decent value despite those flaws after finally a sustained stretch of hitting.

[Cubswin11]

You guys sure are pointing out a lot of flaws for an asset you want to bring something of value of back with. The answer is keep them all, spend money and prospects in acquiring pitching.

 

Personally, I think his key flaws are mitigated significantly if he can be a DH, hence him ideally having decent value despite those flaws after finally a sustained stretch of hitting.

What kind of value are you getting for a DH only? Seriously asking, seems like you'd be lucky to get an Odorizzi level talent or else would have to take a gamble on a injured guy coming back with upside like Garrett Richards

[Sammy Sofa]

You guys sure are pointing out a lot of flaws for an asset you want to bring something of value of back with. The answer is keep them all, spend money and prospects in acquiring pitching.

 

Personally, I think his key flaws are mitigated significantly if he can be a DH, hence him ideally having decent value despite those flaws after finally a sustained stretch of hitting.

What kind of value are you getting for a DH only? Seriously asking, seems like you'd be lucky to get an Odorizzi level talent or else would have to take a gamble on a injured guy coming back with upside like Garrett Richards

 

I'm not expecting them to trade Soler straight up for another pitcher. I'd think they'd use him as a key piece in a trade.

 

Also, it's not like teams would ONLY be looking for him as a DH; I'm sure plenty of teams would assume or hope they could get him to perform tolerably in LF or at 1B.

[muntjack]

I admit I'm out on the fringes a bit with regards to Soler, but I think he's going to be an MVP level bat from this point. Just watching each PA and seeing the adjustments he's made.. a lot of guys figure out how to identify and lay off the offspeed stuff off the edge but they sacrifice hard contact % in the zone. Jorge looks like he can do it without the sacrifice.

[UMFan83]

I don't know where to quickly find launch angle statistics but I'm guessing from the numbers on fangraphs he's increased that this year.

 

His GB/FB rate has gone from 1.46 and 1.42 his first 2 seasons to 1.09 this year. Last year he hit fly balls 29.8% of the time, this year 38.3%. Last year 13% of his fly balls went for HRs, this year almost 20% are which compensates for his hard hit % actually dropping this year.

[Rex Buckingham]

I get that it would be more valuable for Jorge to play the outfield, but what would be so awful about the guy being a DH only? I mean, most teams seem to use their DH as a platoon spot or a spot for older guys to get rest days anymore. Why not get a young guy you can plug in at DH as long as he's healthy and be pretty confident he's going to hit some glorious dongs and not have to worry about him making a fool of himself in the field? I mean, to me that's still pretty darn valuable. To me, that would be worth more than a guy who can play a passable LF but hits like Avisail Garcia.