Talk Arrieta here

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i want to trade him

[wvcbxl]

Is it a mix of God-mode Jake and Bad Jake like we saw last year?

 

I don't recall seeing Bad Jake this season; it was mostly Just-good Jake, iirc. But I understand the frustration when you were expecting God-mode Jake.

[Guest]

Jake is just a harmless psychopath, here to remind us of the wonderful gift of sanity.

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I'm not really in need of elaborating. Why exactly are their rights in danger?

 

Is this a serious post? You're not sure how people's rights might be in danger when Trump ran on a platform that included reinstating stop and frisk in the inner cities, overturning Roe V. Wade, denying Muslims admission into the country, rolling back equal rights for LBGT, etc?

 

Much ado about nothing. Waste your time being concerned if you want.

 

Trump is tabbing a man who thinks Joseph and his Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat built the pyramids to store grain and favors Creationism. I have young kids i send to public school so they can avoid such [expletive].

[bauermj]

Trade him? Don't forget you will likely get a Comp pick when he declines the QO in 2018. So any trade for a partial rental would have to be better than a late first rounder. Not to mention you are trying to contend for a world series so trading one of your best pitchers doesn't really help that cause. And sentimentally because he's one of the most important pitchers to ever wear a Cubs uniform.

[Clem Fandango]

Trade him? Don't forget you will likely get a Comp pick when he declines the QO in 2018. So any trade for a partial rental would have to be better than a late first rounder. Not to mention you are trying to contend for a world series so trading one of your best pitchers doesn't really help that cause. And sentimentally because he's one of the most important pitchers to ever wear a Cubs uniform.

 

The problem is Jake showed after May that he wasn't one of our best pitchers anymore, and that's a real cause for concern. If he continues to be back end of the rotation quality next season, if they choose to trade him at the deadline he'll have lost a lot of value. Is there the possibility he's not a back end of the rotation starter guy? Sure, but that's a game of chance you need to spend a lot of time weighing in on before pulling that trade trigger. If the FO thinks his troubles were real and not some weird way of him saving his arm, then they might be very interested in trading him.

 

And I couldn't care less about the QO compensation. The haul we'd get for Jake, even if he struggled and we traded him as a rental, would probably be a billion times better than whatever we get in a compensation round draft pick.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Cubs also intend to win a bunch of games next year. Even if you plan on Arrieta being the worst version of himself next year, that's still pretty averageish, and you can't get averageish with the chance of better for Arrieta's cost on the FA market, meaning you're looking at trading for probably 2 different SP this offseason. And to what end? Teams would give up more than a comp pick in value, but they saw Jake struggle last year too, and he's 31 and a year from FA so there's no ransom coming back either.

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theo is going to trade him and then get archer.

[FlyTheW]

Was he hiding an injury for most of the season? He said he lost the feel for his slider. We've seen this movie before with a reliever that went from lights out to marginally effective. If he can't use his slider, is it worth maybe trying to turn him into the next great closer? I doubt that's the plan for this year but it wouldn't be the first time a very good starting pitcher reinvented himself as a dominant closer.

He was still a very good pitcher this year and pitched very well in his two World Series starts. He had everything go right for him in 2015, that was never going to happen again.

[David]

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Seems Arrieta/Boras are motivated to talk extension when they have the arbitration talks, though that says nothing about how motivated we are or aren't.

 

I'd still keep him if some kind of reasonable solution came up, but it's definitely an odd thing to navigating after a pretty good but not great 2016, and what his expectations were after an insane 2015.

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Seems Arrieta/Boras are motivated to talk extension when they have the arbitration talks, though that says nothing about how motivated we are or aren't.

 

I'd still keep him if some kind of reasonable solution came up, but it's definitely an odd thing to navigating after a pretty good but not great 2016, and what his expectations were after an insane 2015.

 

Even if no extension comes to fruition, I still see the Cubs extending the Qualifying Offer to Arrieta, Lackey, and Davis after the season. Arrieta and Davis should both sign for more than $50M and Lackey would possibly accept the offer depending upon how this year goes.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

From the Cubs side, I was wondering if the unlikelihood of signing Otani combined with their difficulty thus far acquiring young controllable pitching this offseason would make them more open to an extension for Jake.

[Sammy Sofa]

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Seems Arrieta/Boras are motivated to talk extension when they have the arbitration talks, though that says nothing about how motivated we are or aren't.

 

I'd still keep him if some kind of reasonable solution came up, but it's definitely an odd thing to navigating after a pretty good but not great 2016, and what his expectations were after an insane 2015.

 

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[Cubswin11]

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Seems Arrieta/Boras are motivated to talk extension when they have the arbitration talks, though that says nothing about how motivated we are or aren't.

 

I'd still keep him if some kind of reasonable solution came up, but it's definitely an odd thing to navigating after a pretty good but not great 2016, and what his expectations were after an insane 2015.

Unless he'd be willing to do something super team friendly like 5/75-90 (including buying out his arbitration this year) I have no interest.

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i'm starting to wonder where the starting pitching is going to come from if he's not on the team after next season. it feels like he's going to end up being a good option.

[Elrhino]

Man, people really went from "Give him a blank check" to "Get rid of the bum" awfully quick after some utterly predictable mean regression.

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Man, people really went from "Give him a blank check" to "Get rid of the bum" awfully quick after some utterly predictable mean regression.

 

even when he was in god mode i don't remember anyone here wanting to talk extension at all

[David]

Man, people really went from "Give him a blank check" to "Get rid of the bum" awfully quick after some utterly predictable mean regression.

 

I don't think many here were wanting to give him a blank check after last year at all.

 

I know that many (myself included) wanted to use him up and let him walk.

 

If anything, the regression might be an opportunity to buy low (if you believe in a bounce-back, at least).

[Cubswin11]

Man, people really went from "Give him a blank check" to "Get rid of the bum" awfully quick after some utterly predictable mean regression.

I can't remember anyone, at least anyone who's opinions are generally good here, wanting to give him a blank check. It's pretty much all been let it play out and ride him hardish and if he leaves, he leaves unless he gives us a really team friendly deal.

[biittner77]

Is it possible they'd trade him? It seems pretty unlikely but maybe someone came to them with a good offer and they want to see where they stand as they weight their options. Not sure what that deal could look like but it would explain the sudden interest in extension talks.

[David]

Is it possible they'd trade him? It seems pretty unlikely but maybe someone came to them with a good offer and they want to see where they stand as they weight their options. Not sure what that deal could look like but it would explain the sudden interest in extension talks.

 

There was speculation (maybe rumor?) about a possible trade for Verlander involving him, but aside from that type of move, I can't imagine a team intent on winning a World Series next year doing that.

[Cubswin11]

Is it possible they'd trade him? It seems pretty unlikely but maybe someone came to them with a good offer and they want to see where they stand as they weight their options. Not sure what that deal could look like but it would explain the sudden interest in extension talks.

 

There was speculation (maybe rumor?) about a possible trade for Verlander involving him, but aside from that type of move, I can't imagine a team intent on winning a World Series next year doing that.

Yeah it would be kinda tough to find a trade with him right now. We are obviously in a win-now mode and anyone trying to trade for him would be in a win-now mode since there's 1 year left and it would need to be mostly a pitching for pitching deal. The Verlander stuff made some sense, but seemed more speculation than anything with legs. Another fit could've been something like Arrieta to the Red Sox for Rodriguez and something else before the Sale deal possibly but the Red Sox are set now or Arrieta to the Nats for Giolito+.

 

Doubt either team would do it for varying reasons but I guess a Arrieta for Urias or De Leon (main pieces but other stuff involved both ways) could possibly be something both teams would be interested in, if we just don't have an interest in keeping Arrieta after the year.

[jehr]

Since when is Boras in the business of negotiating extensions for Cy Young winners a year before free agency? What's wrong with Jake?

[jersey cubs fan]

Man, people really went from "Give him a blank check" to "Get rid of the bum" awfully quick after some utterly predictable mean regression.

others have mentioned it but yeah, who was talking about blank checks?

[jersey cubs fan]

the cubs do have 4 empty 40 man spots and aside from signing another couple free agents and or the occasional minor league cast off, the quickest way to fill those spots is a 1 for 2+ transaction.