Cubs Sign Zobrist - 4/$56M

[Guest]

This breaks 30 seconds after Sahadev posts a quote from Theo saying he's not super confident we get something done at the meetings.

 

Theo loves [expletive] with everyone.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm never sure how to use this term but I feel non-plussed right about now.

[rawaction]

If we give Zobrist 14MM per over four years and then cry poor on Heyward, I am going to be something a lot less than thrilled. That is unless Heyward signs for something truly outrageous.

 

Still not worth it. Unless someone signs Heyward for 14M more per year than the Cubs should pay (thinking 38-40Mil aav), then I'd still take 1 Heyward over Zobrist and whoever else they get.

 

I am stupid, but isn't there a big difference in total commitment? Meaning they might not be willing to shell out a financial commitment of $250 million and are comfortable with smaller deals that help now but don't effect the long-term window when trying to sign our own in a few years.

 

I mean, yeah there is a big difference. But almost 100M for two 36 year olds vs. 250M for one guy better and 10 years younger? And they just made a 155Mil commitment to a pitcher. Not sure why a 100M more commitment (which they basically threw around in the last 2 days) for again a much younger, hitter would scare them all of a sudden.

[davell]

Who cares about 7 year averaged for 35 year olds. He was very good in his prime. He's not in his prime anymore.

 

You don't think he's better than Castro for the next 2 years by a considerable margin?(1-2 WAR per year)

wtf does that have to do with the statements you quoted?

 

Just trying to see why you don't like the deal? Sorry I quoted the wrong thing. Meant to ask about not liking 4/56.....

[Tryptamine]

I'm never sure how to use this term but I feel non-plussed right about now.

 

Same. The team has gotten significantly older, is paying twice as much and they may or may not be better.

[Guest]

Who cares about 7 year averaged for 35 year olds. He was very good in his prime. He's not in his prime anymore.

 

You don't think he's better than Castro for the next 2 years by a considerable margin?(1-2 WAR per year)

wtf does that have to do with the statements you quoted?

 

Just trying to see why you don't like the deal? Sorry I quoted the wrong thing. Meant to ask about not liking 4/56.....

 

he doesn't want to keep getting old dudes

 

which i understand

[Guest]

The Cubs are a Heyward away from:

 

Heyward CF/RF

Zobrist 2B/UT

Rizzo 1B

Bryant 3B/OF

Shwarber COF

Soler COF

Montero C

Pitcher

Russell SS/2B/3B?

 

Assuming Heyward is your lead off guy, I'm pretty sure Montero won't be on the roster.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

It would be extremely odd (and honestly, somewhat of a letdown from a personal standpoint) to go from Castro, Soler and/or Baez to Zobrist, Heyward and/or random CF. I understand, still have Rizzo, Bryant, Russell and Schwarber....but jettisoning young, cheap, under long-term control talent to pay older guys for a potential shorter term (if Heyward has an opt out, this is possible), doesn't seem like something a great front office should do. And I kinda feel that they won't do that (trade Castro, then trade Soler and sign Heyward) so I'm not a fan of this potential move for if nothing else but that reason.

 

Well, the fact that we would still have Rizzo, Bryant, Russell and Schwarber is kinda big in this scenario. If we trade Castro and Soler, then they are simply trading the two worst guys of our "core," depending on if you consider Javy a part of the core. They aren't trading away the cheap, young stars. In fact, Starlin isn't really any of those things. His salary isn't really cheap anymore. It's not prohibitive or expensive really. But, he isn't pre-arb, like those other guys. And he is what he is now. He's just a guy that happens to be kinda young and under contract for awhile.

 

Trading a guy like Soler might bite us. But, he's like our fourth or fifth best pre-arb guy, anyway. And he hasn't done anything to prove that he is anywhere near the level of the guys we are actually keeping.

 

That's not how it works though. Zobrist isn't that much better than good Castro. He's not that much better than bad Castro and Baez (who would presumably take over for bad Castro at 2B), that you pay him 19Mil more over the next 4 years with 10 years of age on his side. And there's no law that you can only have 4 good pre-arb players. And if I'm trading a good pre-arb player, I want a similarly good pre-arb player at a bigger position of need.

 

It's swapping out Starlin for Zobrist for $15 million more over the next four years + whatever we get back in a Starlin trade. I think it is brilliant.

[ctcf]

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Edited December 9, 2015 by ctcf

[Guest]

Jon Heyman ✔ @JonHeymanCBS

Zobrist gets no-trade provision first 3 yrs #cubs

6:43 PM - 8 Dec 2015

 

ok don't like this at all

 

i thought theo was all no-exceptions on this

[Guest]

If they are really are still in on Heyward, I guess it's okay.

[imb]

are we forgetting that we would have given starlin castro away for free last august? nice run starlin, see ya

[rawaction]

 

That's actually a really well structured contract.

[CincyCubsFan]

Castro to NYY per wittenmeyer. For Andrew Warren.

 

 

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Edited December 9, 2015 by CincyCubsFan

[Guest]

are we forgetting that we would have given starlin castro away for free last august? nice run starlin, see ya

Not all of us.

[davell]

Jon Heyman ✔ @JonHeymanCBS

Zobrist gets no-trade provision first 3 yrs #cubs

6:43 PM - 8 Dec 2015

 

ok don't like this at all

 

i thought theo was all no-exceptions on this

 

He is. When it's tanking season and not trying to win season.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

If we give Zobrist 14MM per over four years and then cry poor on Heyward, I am going to be something a lot less than thrilled. That is unless Heyward signs for something truly outrageous.

 

Still not worth it. Unless someone signs Heyward for 14M more per year than the Cubs should pay (thinking 38-40Mil aav), then I'd still take 1 Heyward over Zobrist and whoever else they get.

 

I am stupid, but isn't there a big difference in total commitment? Meaning they might not be willing to shell out a financial commitment of $250 million and are comfortable with smaller deals that help now but don't effect the long-term window when trying to sign our own in a few years.

 

I mean, yeah there is a big difference. But almost 100M for two 36 year olds vs. 250M for one guy better and 10 years younger? And they just made a 155Mil commitment to a pitcher. Not sure why a 100M more commitment (which they basically threw around in the last 2 days) for again a much younger, hitter would scare them all of a sudden.

 

I don't know. They are getting two quality players for a total of 6 years and 86 million and being able to use $164 million on whatever else they want (in theory). That's just a huge difference to me.

 

ETA: I know you acknowledged it was a huge difference and weren't debating that part.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Bryant's Disco Ball

[squally1313]

I'm never sure how to use this term but I feel non-plussed right about now.

 

Same. The team has gotten significantly older, is paying twice as much and they may or may not be better.

 

I mean, they are definitely better than they were a week ago.

[hawkeyecub]

Levine says he confirmed Wareen is coming to the Cubs.

[Guest]

Jon Heyman ✔ @JonHeymanCBS

Zobrist gets no-trade provision first 3 yrs #cubs

6:43 PM - 8 Dec 2015

 

ok don't like this at all

 

i thought theo was all no-exceptions on this

 

He is. When it's tanking season and not trying to win season.

 

i guess for 3 years it's not TERRIBLE

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Getting anything for Castro if they take his contract is fine with me.

[Guest]

hey guys, that mets forum filled with assholes is amazing right now btw

[weis21]

 

That's actually a really well structured contract.

with the no-trade clause only being valid for three years and the fourth year at a discount, sure seems like they are at least giving themselves an out in regards to a trade after 2018 (assuming he still has value at that point).

[Guest]

Castro to NYY per wittenmeyer. For Andrew Warren.

 

 

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Well I know who's going in my new sig

[Bryants Disco Ball]

are we forgetting that we would have given starlin castro away for free last august? nice run starlin, see ya

 

Spot on. I realize it wasn't everybody, but [expletive], the dude was awful. I'm glad he turned it around for that last month, but he was really, really bad. And not so good in other seasons, either.

 

I will miss him, though. He could be fun to watch. And his walk-up music was cool.