2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[UMFan83]

99 MPH in a 65 while driving drunk at 11:45 AM. Real smart.

 

Is that bad?

 

I'm sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that

[minnesotacubsfan]

99 MPH in a 65 while driving drunk at 11:45 AM. Real smart.

 

Is that bad?

 

If you don't live in LA yes

[Guest]

He might have had a beer at lunch. I'm going to wait for the toxicology report.

[UK1679666180]

I'm disappointed they likely won't interview Shanahan, I'm curious to see what he has to say about his disaster in Washington.

 

Im guessing Snyder is the obvious answer.

[Guest]

Just rooting for the Pats and Colts so we can interview Kubiak and Del Rio.

[Guest]

And your opinion is neither logical nor scientific.

 

Scientific? Who said it was?

 

Logical? Bears said next coach/GM will determine if Cutler is back. Obviously they don't feel he's the longterm answer if there's even a question now. Why hire a guy to make the best of 2 years in the grand scheme of things?

 

i just don't think you know what you are arguing.

 

You insist that there has been some sort of special treatment of Jay above the normal treatment of a similar-caliber quarterback. That the Bears have made moves because of him that no other team would have made for similar Quarterback X. That his simple existence on the roster has caused mass insanity and incompetence among coaches and GMs.

 

I assure you that any incompetence or insanity was pre-existing and not Jay's fault. You absolutely cannot separate Jay from the QB position or his talent-level. This is why you're being a meatball, because a normal person looks at Jay Cutler and sees an above average QB that's prone to risk-taking and mistakes. You look at Jay Cutler and see someone who is ruining your dreams and causing others to go mad. Bears management tried to make the offense good, that's it. They tried to amass a line and a stable of receivers that can run and catch and score TDs. That has nothing to do with Jay Cutler, Cutler simply happened to be the quarterback when this all happened. Saying that they shouldn't try to build around Jay ascribes a measure of blame on him for simply being himself. Like this was part of his evil plan to get the coach and GM fired and he's not deserving of usable offensive pieces around him.

 

The simple thought that the Bears made a mistake by trying to "build around Jay" is so absurd and meatballish i have no words.

[rawaction]

And your opinion is neither logical nor scientific.

 

Scientific? Who said it was?

 

Logical? Bears said next coach/GM will determine if Cutler is back. Obviously they don't feel he's the longterm answer if there's even a question now. Why hire a guy to make the best of 2 years in the grand scheme of things?

 

i just don't think you know what you are arguing.

 

You insist that there has been some sort of special treatment of Jay above the normal treatment of a similar-caliber quarterback. That the Bears have made moves because of him that no other team would have made for similar Quarterback X. That his simple existence on the roster has caused mass insanity and incompetence among coaches and GMs.

 

I assure you that any incompetence or insanity was pre-existing and not Jay's fault. You absolutely cannot separate Jay from the QB position or his talent-level. This is why you're being a meatball, because a normal person looks at Jay Cutler and sees Problem is Scherff is destined to be an NFL guard. I'd be fine with pass rusher (like Ray, Gregory and Fowler). but above average QB that's prone to risk-taking and mistakes. You look at Jay Cutler and see someone who is ruining your dreams and causing others to go mad. Bears management tried to make the offense good, that's it. They tried to amass a line and a stable of receivers that can run and catch and score TDs. That has nothing to do with Jay Cutler, Cutler simply happened to be the quarterback when this all happened. Saying that they shouldn't try to build around Jay ascribes a measure of blame on him for simply being himself. Like this was part of his evil plan to get the coach and GM fired and he's not deserving of usable offensive pieces around him.

 

The simple thought that the Bears made a mistake by trying to "build around Jay" is so absurd and meatballish i have no words.

 

You are a lunatic. But I will humor you.

 

I've literally said in every post where I said the Bears were making moves because of Cutler, that they should have done all those things. See page 66 and 68.

 

Never have I said it was a mistake. Never have I said he was special or didn't deserve to have the team built around him.

[brinoch]

I don't have a problem with Shanahan. He would be a good choice. Besides, you shouldn't hold any coach's tenure with Washington against them. Snyder is the problem there, and I don't think we'll see them be successful until he's gone. No one will be successful that maniacal douche constantly chasing new players, intervening in decisions, and basically being an ass.

[Tyrant]

And your opinion is neither logical nor scientific.

 

Scientific? Who said it was?

 

Logical? Bears said next coach/GM will determine if Cutler is back. Obviously they don't feel he's the longterm answer if there's even a question now. Why hire a guy to make the best of 2 years in the grand scheme of things?

 

i just don't think you know what you are arguing.

 

You insist that there has been some sort of special treatment of Jay above the normal treatment of a similar-caliber quarterback. That the Bears have made moves because of him that no other team would have made for similar Quarterback X. That his simple existence on the roster has caused mass insanity and incompetence among coaches and GMs.

 

I assure you that any incompetence or insanity was pre-existing and not Jay's fault. You absolutely cannot separate Jay from the QB position or his talent-level. This is why you're being a meatball, because a normal person looks at Jay Cutler and sees an above average QB that's prone to risk-taking and mistakes. You look at Jay Cutler and see someone who is ruining your dreams and causing others to go mad. Bears management tried to make the offense good, that's it. They tried to amass a line and a stable of receivers that can run and catch and score TDs. That has nothing to do with Jay Cutler, Cutler simply happened to be the quarterback when this all happened. Saying that they shouldn't try to build around Jay ascribes a measure of blame on him for simply being himself. Like this was part of his evil plan to get the coach and GM fired and he's not deserving of usable offensive pieces around him.

 

The simple thought that the Bears made a mistake by trying to "build around Jay" is so absurd and meatballish i have no words.

 

you should try to win an argument sometime without using the word "meatball."

[Guest]

99 MPH in a 65 while driving drunk at 11:45 AM. Real smart.

 

Is that bad?

 

If you don't live in LA yes

 

You can't go 99 in LA ever. It's bumper to bumper at all hours of the day.

[Guest]

And your opinion is neither logical nor scientific.

 

Scientific? Who said it was?

 

Logical? Bears said next coach/GM will determine if Cutler is back. Obviously they don't feel he's the longterm answer if there's even a question now. Why hire a guy to make the best of 2 years in the grand scheme of things?

 

i just don't think you know what you are arguing.

 

You insist that there has been some sort of special treatment of Jay above the normal treatment of a similar-caliber quarterback. That the Bears have made moves because of him that no other team would have made for similar Quarterback X. That his simple existence on the roster has caused mass insanity and incompetence among coaches and GMs.

 

I assure you that any incompetence or insanity was pre-existing and not Jay's fault. You absolutely cannot separate Jay from the QB position or his talent-level. This is why you're being a meatball, because a normal person looks at Jay Cutler and sees an above average QB that's prone to risk-taking and mistakes. You look at Jay Cutler and see someone who is ruining your dreams and causing others to go mad. Bears management tried to make the offense good, that's it. They tried to amass a line and a stable of receivers that can run and catch and score TDs. That has nothing to do with Jay Cutler, Cutler simply happened to be the quarterback when this all happened. Saying that they shouldn't try to build around Jay ascribes a measure of blame on him for simply being himself. Like this was part of his evil plan to get the coach and GM fired and he's not deserving of usable offensive pieces around him.

 

The simple thought that the Bears made a mistake by trying to "build around Jay" is so absurd and meatballish i have no words.

 

you should try to win an argument sometime without using the word "meatball."

 

Swedish Meatballs are fantastic.

[Guest]

And your opinion is neither logical nor scientific.

 

Scientific? Who said it was?

 

Logical? Bears said next coach/GM will determine if Cutler is back. Obviously they don't feel he's the longterm answer if there's even a question now. Why hire a guy to make the best of 2 years in the grand scheme of things?

 

i just don't think you know what you are arguing.

 

You insist that there has been some sort of special treatment of Jay above the normal treatment of a similar-caliber quarterback. That the Bears have made moves because of him that no other team would have made for similar Quarterback X. That his simple existence on the roster has caused mass insanity and incompetence among coaches and GMs.

 

I assure you that any incompetence or insanity was pre-existing and not Jay's fault. You absolutely cannot separate Jay from the QB position or his talent-level. This is why you're being a meatball, because a normal person looks at Jay Cutler and sees an above average QB that's prone to risk-taking and mistakes. You look at Jay Cutler and see someone who is ruining your dreams and causing others to go mad. Bears management tried to make the offense good, that's it. They tried to amass a line and a stable of receivers that can run and catch and score TDs. That has nothing to do with Jay Cutler, Cutler simply happened to be the quarterback when this all happened. Saying that they shouldn't try to build around Jay ascribes a measure of blame on him for simply being himself. Like this was part of his evil plan to get the coach and GM fired and he's not deserving of usable offensive pieces around him.

 

The simple thought that the Bears made a mistake by trying to "build around Jay" is so absurd and meatballish i have no words.

 

you should try to win an argument sometime without using the word "meatball."

 

Swedish Meatballs are fantastic.

Thick onion gravy is the way to go for Sulley

[UK1679666180]

They were desperate for a franchise QB, brought in Cutler, late when they added pieces around him, ignored the offensive line and defense which stacked the deck against him.

 

I had no problem with what they gave up for him, hate the current contract though.

 

Stannis acts like a dolt if someone says anything negative about Cutler but he's correct that he's an above average QB that led the league in turnovers.

 

Comparisons to George were incorrect, Cutler's last 3 years have a similarity score closest to the mid 90s Testaverde.

 

As Sneakypower mentioned which not surprisingly received no response that the QB rating correlates with every other QB rating going higher as well given the offensive trend of the league.

[Guest]

Anyone who understands the Cutler contract really shouldn't have that big of a deal with it.

[Banedon]

Cutler will be the 11th most paid QB in 2015. Slightly more than Alex Smith, slightly less than Sam Bradford.

[jersey cubs fan]

Anyone who understands the Cutler contract really shouldn't have that big of a deal with it.

 

Chicago fans love hating their anchors.

[SouthSideRyan]

He might have had a beer at lunch. I'm going to wait for the toxicology report.

 

Yep, one beer ought to put a professional athlete well over .08.

[Banedon]

He might have had a beer at lunch. I'm going to wait for the toxicology report.

 

Yep, one beer ought to put a professional athlete well over .08.

 

He didn't do a breathalyzer, fwiw.

[Guest]

Anyone who understands the Cutler contract really shouldn't have that big of a deal with it.

 

Chicago fans love hating their anchors.

I mean it's disappointing how the contract has gone but we knew this was like the 90th percentile worse case scenario going in. When you line up where we'd be if we just franchised him for 2014, I don't think things are that much different. A little bit lower cap hit, but not a material different future commitment.

[Guest]

You are a lunatic. But I will humor you.

 

I've literally said in every post where I said the Bears were making moves because of Cutler, that they should have done all those things. See page 66 and 68.

 

Never have I said it was a mistake. Never have I said he was special or didn't deserve to have the team built around him.

 

technically, i was humoring you by pretending you had a point.

[UK1679666180]

Cutler will be the 11th most paid QB in 2015. Slightly more than Alex Smith, slightly less than Sam Bradford.

 

You're picking and choosing at this point.

 

And the 22.5 mil last year was ranked?

 

Where his DYAR was 16th, DVOA was 21st, and his QBR was 25th among the qualified QBs?

 

That's right, it was the largest cap hit in the League.

 

We're judging him based on the length of his contract, which will be a 3yr deal before he gets cut.

 

1st year was a failure, he has to have 2 good to great years to justify it at this point.

 

So if Goony wants to parrot Stannis with his meatball talk and how Chicago fans love to hate their "anchors", look at Cutler's production last year and the cap space he will be occupying over the 3 years of his deal. If Cutler can somehow increase his production ala Romo, then he'll justify that contract. After year one, he didn't, there's no advanced statistical measure that quantifies that he came close to being worth that contract.

 

That's not all Cutler's fault (he is too prone with the turnovers and not this year but in years' past been injury prone).

[Banedon]

Cutler will be the 11th most paid QB in 2015. Slightly more than Alex Smith, slightly less than Sam Bradford.

 

You're picking and choosing at this point.

 

And the 22.5 mil last year was ranked?

 

Where his DYAR was 16th, DVOA was 21st, and his QBR was 25th among the qualified QBs?

 

That's right, it was the largest cap hit in the League.

 

That's kinda my point. Where he ranks contract-wise doesn't matter, because they structured the contract to give him more money in the first year simply for cap flexibility later in the contract. It looks ridiculous now because he clearly had a bad year. But at the time, it made a lot of sense.

 

The other point is that there's some mediocre QB's that are making way too much money (Smith/Bradford) because there's such a dearth of QB talent out there.

 

Yep, Bears gave Cutler too much money. Emery lost his job over it. That doesn't change the fact that Cutler is the best the Bears can do as far as QB talent right now, and the best move is to make the best we can of it.

 

We're judging him based on the length of his contract, which will be a 3yr deal before he cuts.

 

1st year was a failure, he has to have 2 good to great years to justify it at this point.

 

So if Goony wants to parrot Stannis with his meatball talk and how Chicago fans love to hate their "anchors", look at Cutler's production last year and the cap space he will occupying over the 3 years of his deal. If Cutler can somehow increase his production ala Romo, then he'll justify that contract. After year one, he didn't, there's no advanced statistical measure that quantifies that he came close to being worth that contract.

 

That's not all Cutler's fault (he is too prone with the turnovers and not this year but in years' past been injury prone).

 

The problem is you're worrying about him being "worth the contract". Put it out of your head. He's not going to be "worth the contract". Like you said, it's almost impossible for him to be so. There was almost no way for Alfonso Soriano to justify his contract, and there's little chance that Derrick Rose ever justifies his contract. That doesn't mean that those players can't, or in Soriano's case didn't, perform very solidly and be a highly productive member of their teams.

[Guest]

Cutler will be the 11th most paid QB in 2015. Slightly more than Alex Smith, slightly less than Sam Bradford.

 

You're picking and choosing at this point.

 

And the 22.5 mil last year was ranked?

 

Where his DYAR was 16th, DVOA was 21st, and his QBR was 25th among the qualified QBs?

 

That's right, it was the largest cap hit in the League.

 

We're judging him based on the length of his contract, which will be a 3yr deal before he gets cut.

 

1st year was a failure, he has to have 2 good to great years to justify it at this point.

 

So if Goony wants to parrot Stannis with his meatball talk and how Chicago fans love to hate their "anchors", look at Cutler's production last year and the cap space he will be occupying over the 3 years of his deal. If Cutler can somehow increase his production ala Romo, then he'll justify that contract. After year one, he didn't, there's no advanced statistical measure that quantifies that he came close to being worth that contract.

 

That's not all Cutler's fault (he is too prone with the turnovers and not this year but in years' past been injury prone).

 

injury prone, lol. [expletive] off meatball.

 

there is no justifying contracts. you pay what you pay so you don't have to go be Tennessee or Jacksonville or Tampa Bay or require a herculean effort from your defense just to go 9-7 and miss the playoffs like Buffalo.

[UK1679666180]

Cutler will be the 11th most paid QB in 2015. Slightly more than Alex Smith, slightly less than Sam Bradford.

 

You're picking and choosing at this point.

 

And the 22.5 mil last year was ranked?

 

Where his DYAR was 16th, DVOA was 21st, and his QBR was 25th among the qualified QBs?

 

That's right, it was the largest cap hit in the League.

 

We're judging him based on the length of his contract, which will be a 3yr deal before he gets cut.

 

1st year was a failure, he has to have 2 good to great years to justify it at this point.

 

So if Goony wants to parrot Stannis with his meatball talk and how Chicago fans love to hate their "anchors", look at Cutler's production last year and the cap space he will be occupying over the 3 years of his deal. If Cutler can somehow increase his production ala Romo, then he'll justify that contract. After year one, he didn't, there's no advanced statistical measure that quantifies that he came close to being worth that contract.

 

That's not all Cutler's fault (he is too prone with the turnovers and not this year but in years' past been injury prone).

 

injury prone, lol. [expletive] off meatball.

 

there is no justifying contracts. you pay what you pay so you don't have to go be Tennessee or Jacksonville or Tampa Bay or require a herculean effort from your defense just to go 9-7 and miss the playoffs like Buffalo.

 

Before this year, he was on IR in '11 for 6 games, missed 2 games with the concussion against the Giants in 12', and last year missed several games with groin/ankle injuries.

 

There's no justifying contracts?

 

Please amuse me.

[Sammy Sofa]

sulley, you're really not helping things stomping all over Brandon's very well-reasoned post with an angry storm of rage-farts.