2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[WrigleyField 22]

Next up rounding out the Front Office-

 

Cliff Stein will be kept around being the lead contract negotiator. He'll get added administrative type roles, continue to work with the league office and be the number two man on most matters that aren't related to player evaluation. Long term he could be a president in the traditional set up where your president isn't involved with talent evaluation and personnel matters.

 

Other FO positions are pretty hard. Sometimes hard to know who actually does well at what. One thing we know is in the NFL guys hire people they know:

Director of Pro Personnel - Chris Polian. Would I hire him? No idea, but daddy probably would try and he does have experience. I'm putting my head in Bills head right now

Director of College Scouting-

Adam Peters, currently Assts Director of College Scouting in Denver after 8 years of scouting experience. Is he good? Hard to know, but he has a connection to Heckert and this is a promotion. Works for me.

 

I won't cover any other FO positions. Scouts all stay, etc. So next up will be Head Coach...

 

 

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[Lenny]

The far bigger disappointment is that he's a perfectly serviceable QB that the Bears couldn't properly utilize if their fat, stupid lives depended on it.

 

Agreed, but there are too many teams that are only a serviceable QB away from the playoffs that the Bears would only be compounding their incompetence by not at least fielding offers for him.

 

Emery (assuming he keeps his job) should be on the phone with StL, Buffalo, or Houston ASAP.

[rawaction]

The far bigger disappointment is that he's a perfectly serviceable QB that the Bears couldn't properly utilize if their fat, stupid lives depended on it.

 

Agreed, but there are too many teams that are only a serviceable QB away from the playoffs that the Bears would only be compounding their incompetence by not at least fielding offers for him.

 

Emery (assuming he keeps his job) should be on the phone with StL, Buffalo, or Houston ASAP.

 

And Tennessee, Washington.

 

The problem with that is if not Cutler. ..... then who? Not picking high enough for Mariota or Winston. Absolutely nobody else in this draft class is worth a top 10 pick. And only Hundley is worth even a roster spot in this draft IMO. If u sign a QB (from a weak FA class as always), then you are paying Cutler 9.5 mil to go away (dead space from trade) AND another QB to play, which would probably end up eating up a lot of the money you save (12.5M) by cutting him if you want someone worthwhile (Bradford, Sanchez, Hoyer, Mallett). Not to mention, you are taking a step back in talent from Cutler to any of those FAs, any draft pick or any reasonable traded QB.

[WrigleyField 22]

Gotta get Washington and NYJ on the phone too. I trust those organizations to help drive up the cost if we're dealing Cutler.

 

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

The far bigger disappointment is that he's a perfectly serviceable QB that the Bears couldn't properly utilize if their fat, stupid lives depended on it.

 

Agreed, but there are too many teams that are only a serviceable QB away from the playoffs that the Bears would only be compounding their incompetence by not at least fielding offers for him.

 

Emery (assuming he keeps his job) should be on the phone with StL, Buffalo, or Houston ASAP.

 

And Tennessee, Washington.

 

The problem with that is if not Cutler. ..... then who? Not picking high enough for Mariota or Winston. Absolutely nobody else in this draft class is worth a top 10 pick. And only Hundley is worth even a roster spot in this draft IMO. If u sign a QB (from a weak FA class as always), then you are paying Cutler 9.5 mil to go away (dead space from trade) AND another QB to play, which would probably end up eating up a lot of the money you save (12.5M) by cutting him if you want someone worthwhile (Bradford, Sanchez, Hoyer, Mallett). Not to mention, you are taking a step back in talent from Cutler to any of those FAs, any draft pick or any reasonable traded QB.

Yea I agree with most of this. I think Cook if he declares is worthy of a late first pick but looking doubtful he does. Not a great draft to get our next QB.

 

I didn't think Cutlers cap hit would be that big in a trade though, I think just the pro-rated portion of his 5M signing bonus. The timing likely won't work out well anyways though. Very likely a trade occurs after FA so you can just roll savings into say Suh.

 

Definitely like Hoyer the most of the FA class. Overall though it is a tough situation to deal Cutler and still put a decent foot forward for 2015. You're basically on hold until you get in the right spot to draft a guy where the road is littered with Brady Quinn's and the like.

 

 

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[Sammy Sofa]

The far bigger disappointment is that he's a perfectly serviceable QB that the Bears couldn't properly utilize if their fat, stupid lives depended on it.

 

Agreed, but there are too many teams that are only a serviceable QB away from the playoffs that the Bears would only be compounding their incompetence by not at least fielding offers for him.

 

Emery (assuming he keeps his job) should be on the phone with StL, Buffalo, or Houston ASAP.

 

Really depends on what they would get back. They can't just move him to move him since they have zero QB options otherwise and the draft likely wouldn't be the solution right now. They can't just embrace having a gaping hole at the position unless the plan is to just punt 2015.

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[Lenny]

If Tennessee or DC want him, sure, but those three make the most sense IMO because I'm not sure they have time to groom someone before their respective windows start to close. Fisher in particular seems like someone who might be vulnerable to overpay, and they don't have many other needs besides maybe a tackle.

[Lenny]

The far bigger disappointment is that he's a perfectly serviceable QB that the Bears couldn't properly utilize if their fat, stupid lives depended on it.

 

Agreed, but there are too many teams that are only a serviceable QB away from the playoffs that the Bears would only be compounding their incompetence by not at least fielding offers for him.

 

Emery (assuming he keeps his job) should be on the phone with StL, Buffalo, or Houston ASAP.

 

Really depends on what they would get back. They can't just move him to move him since they have zero QB options otherwise and the draft likely wouldn't be the solution right now. They can't just embrace having a gaping hole at the position.

 

Not suggesting they move him just to move him. I think the trade market for him should be much healthier than some are expecting, only because of how close some of these other teams are.

[Sammy Sofa]

The far bigger disappointment is that he's a perfectly serviceable QB that the Bears couldn't properly utilize if their fat, stupid lives depended on it.

 

Agreed, but there are too many teams that are only a serviceable QB away from the playoffs that the Bears would only be compounding their incompetence by not at least fielding offers for him.

 

Emery (assuming he keeps his job) should be on the phone with StL, Buffalo, or Houston ASAP.

 

Really depends on what they would get back. They can't just move him to move him since they have zero QB options otherwise and the draft likely wouldn't be the solution right now. They can't just embrace having a gaping hole at the position.

 

Not suggesting they move him just to move him. I think the trade market for him should be much healthier than some are expecting, only because of how close some of these other teams are.

 

Yeah, but what are they likely to get back from those teams that can fill the QB spot ASAP?

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Next up on my offseason plan is HC.

 

Previously : Bill Polian -pres; Tom Heckert - GM. And rounded out the FO.

 

I think there's some strong choices here and that will be the case even if we don't revamp the FO.

 

In the current plan we're in an interesting place because with the FO turnover we may be behind other teams with vacancies. While that's not great it may mean we get a crack at current coordinators who will be busy with playoff runs and skip available earlier interviews. I narrowed the large field down to two DC. One a former HC and the other a first timer. Both would be good hires, but I'm making the call to keep the theme of experience going. The runner up is Dan Quinn, DC of Seattle. Trying to copy cat the Seahawks D is tempting, though that's not necessarily working out for Bradley.

 

The winner: Jack Del Rio. Overall he posted a losing record in 9 seasons with Jacksonville that was particularly bad near the end. He coached two real good squads in particular though and they were not Defense only teams. So he's being brought in not just to fix the D but be a CEO type coach. He fits that mold of basically John Fox type who gets a second HC chance. The number of successful defensive background head coaches coaching teams with good offenses is interesting indeed. He'll have to bring in strong coordinators, which will be my next topic.

 

 

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[Lenny]

The far bigger disappointment is that he's a perfectly serviceable QB that the Bears couldn't properly utilize if their fat, stupid lives depended on it.

 

Agreed, but there are too many teams that are only a serviceable QB away from the playoffs that the Bears would only be compounding their incompetence by not at least fielding offers for him.

 

Emery (assuming he keeps his job) should be on the phone with StL, Buffalo, or Houston ASAP.

 

Really depends on what they would get back. They can't just move him to move him since they have zero QB options otherwise and the draft likely wouldn't be the solution right now. They can't just embrace having a gaping hole at the position.

 

Not suggesting they move him just to move him. I think the trade market for him should be much healthier than some are expecting, only because of how close some of these other teams are.

 

Yeah, but what are they likely to get back from those teams that can fill the QB spot ASAP?

 

I don't think the Bears are in a situation where they can realistically expect to turn this thing around in one offseason.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't think the Bears are in a situation where they can realistically expect to turn this thing around in one offseason.

 

 

Turnarounds in football can be very quick. You're basically creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of extended failure if you willfully trade away a workable QB with no replacement option anywhere on the horizon.

[jersey cubs fan]

The far bigger disappointment is that he's a perfectly serviceable QB that the Bears couldn't properly utilize if their fat, stupid lives depended on it.

 

Agreed, but there are too many teams that are only a serviceable QB away from the playoffs that the Bears would only be compounding their incompetence by not at least fielding offers for him.

 

Emery (assuming he keeps his job) should be on the phone with StL, Buffalo, or Houston ASAP.

Getting on the phone now is a horrible idea.

[Soul]

I'm just not ready to end the Cutler era yet.

 

I might have been if I still felt Trestman was a good enough offensive HC succeed with a new QB, but he's clearly not.

 

If we cut ties with Cutler now I strongly believe we will go right back down to QB mediocrity or worse.

[gscool89]

If we cut ties with Cutler now I strongly believe we will go right back down to QB mediocrity or worse.

Our fan base deserves it

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think the Bears are in a situation where they can realistically expect to turn this thing around in one offseason.

Why is this? As doom and gloom as everyone is on this staff we should have even less wins if there was no talent base on the roster. Punting in the NFL is just hardly ever advisable. Realistically who are you giving up for 2015 who wouldn't also help you if the goal was to compete in 2016? Only guy that really pops into my mind if Forte and I don't think you'll get a great return for an aging RB.

 

You could not use all your cap space... But I'm not sure what that accomplishes. As long as you don't leverage future space too much being aggressive in FA is good. Overall I just don't see where punting now helps down the road. NFL should basically be always "dual fronts" to steal from Theo and you don't have to take from one side to accomplish the other.

 

 

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[Lenny]

The far bigger disappointment is that he's a perfectly serviceable QB that the Bears couldn't properly utilize if their fat, stupid lives depended on it.

 

Agreed, but there are too many teams that are only a serviceable QB away from the playoffs that the Bears would only be compounding their incompetence by not at least fielding offers for him.

 

Emery (assuming he keeps his job) should be on the phone with StL, Buffalo, or Houston ASAP.

Getting on the phone now is a horrible idea.

[Soul]

 

You could not use all your cap space... But I'm not sure what that accomplishes. As long as you don't leverage future space too much being aggressive in FA is good. Overall I just don't see where punting now helps down the road. NFL should basically be always "dual fronts" to steal from Theo and you don't have to take from one side to accomplish the other.

Not saying you are wrong, but if you strongly feel Emery isn't the future like I do, then you are hoping he makes as few moves as possible.

 

Especially moves with long term consequences.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think the Bears are in a situation where they can realistically expect to turn this thing around in one offseason.

Why is this? As doom and gloom as everyone is on this staff we should have even less wins if there was no talent base on the roster. Punting in the NFL is just hardly ever advisable. Realistically who are you giving up for 2015 who wouldn't also help you if the goal was to compete in 2016? Only guy that really pops into my mind if Forte and I don't think you'll get a great return for an aging RB.

 

You could not use all your cap space... But I'm not sure what that accomplishes. As long as you don't leverage future space too much being aggressive in FA is good. Overall I just don't see where punting now helps down the road. NFL should basically be always "dual fronts" to steal from Theo and you don't have to take from one side to accomplish the other.

 

 

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There's nothing wrong with one off dump jobs and they often happen when front office and/or coaching staffs overhaul. You can't be duel fronts every year.

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You could not use all your cap space... But I'm not sure what that accomplishes. As long as you don't leverage future space too much being aggressive in FA is good. Overall I just don't see where punting now helps down the road. NFL should basically be always "dual fronts" to steal from Theo and you don't have to take from one side to accomplish the other.

Not saying you are wrong, but if you strongly feel Emery isn't the future like I do, then you are hoping he makes as few moves as possible.

 

Especially moves with long term consequences.

I can appreciate that, but he's going to make your picks no matter what. He hasn't shown a propensity to make risky long term bets on free agents. This isn't MLB where you'll get sacked with a 5 year guaranteed deal.

 

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think the Bears are in a situation where they can realistically expect to turn this thing around in one offseason.

Why is this? As doom and gloom as everyone is on this staff we should have even less wins if there was no talent base on the roster. Punting in the NFL is just hardly ever advisable. Realistically who are you giving up for 2015 who wouldn't also help you if the goal was to compete in 2016? Only guy that really pops into my mind if Forte and I don't think you'll get a great return for an aging RB.

 

You could not use all your cap space... But I'm not sure what that accomplishes. As long as you don't leverage future space too much being aggressive in FA is good. Overall I just don't see where punting now helps down the road. NFL should basically be always "dual fronts" to steal from Theo and you don't have to take from one side to accomplish the other.

 

 

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There's nothing wrong with one off dump jobs and they often happen when front office and/or coaching staffs overhaul. You can't be duel fronts every year.

Can you show me where a one off dump has really helped turn the tides? Because I can show you where a new regime utilized the existing personnel and did same year turnarounds. Probably best recent example being the Chiefs who looked pretty dire, but sure enough actually had a pretty solid base that they made the right moves to (a huge part of that being bringing in the right coaches). Not every turnaround is going to even be that quick and successful, but if you stepped up to 8-8 and then made a second year jump, how would that be different that a dump off that tanked a year first?

 

Now taking all that into consideration can you name who these players are on the Bears who would return a good value and are not likely to help in 2016 but would in 2015?

 

One year dump offs can be advisable but usually it's the case with an aging team with cap problems. This is not the Bears of 2015.

 

 

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Anyways if you support a one year punt, the best option would be keeping the coaching staff, or at least Trestman. Emery ain't gonna screw up the personnel portion this offseason, but if he sticks with Trestman there's a decent chance 2016 is the new regime. Could we go for it then or will we have to concede 2016 so the new regime gets their obligatory tank job out of the way.

 

 

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[Guest]

Seems so weird to want to punt NFL seasons.

[Soul]

 

You could not use all your cap space... But I'm not sure what that accomplishes. As long as you don't leverage future space too much being aggressive in FA is good. Overall I just don't see where punting now helps down the road. NFL should basically be always "dual fronts" to steal from Theo and you don't have to take from one side to accomplish the other.

Not saying you are wrong, but if you strongly feel Emery isn't the future like I do, then you are hoping he makes as few moves as possible.

 

Especially moves with long term consequences.

I can appreciate that, but he's going to make your picks no matter what. He hasn't shown a propensity to make risky long term bets on free agents. This isn't MLB where you'll get sacked with a 5 year guaranteed deal.

 

 

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*sigh*

 

I know.

[WrigleyField 22]

Don't be too concerned Soul. While his first Bears draft busted, I think the past two improved (even despite a few dumb things like drafting a punter).

 

Looking back at his two Chiefs drafts and Falcons drafts there isn't a huge bust rate. Worst pick was Baldwin (and I think he's a total Emery WR), but you can view those drafts pretty favorably IMO. He won't set us back in the draft.