College Football - Bowl Games

[NOLA]

Dak Prescott coming back for his senior year. Not surprising; he is not an NFL QB talent.

This has to put them as favorites in the West next year, right? Bama and Ark right there also?

 

TSN has their way too early preseason rankings out for next year. They put the Hogs at 4th. In the country. Maybe a bit early for all that.

[OleMissCub]

Dak Prescott coming back for his senior year. Not surprising; he is not an NFL QB talent.

This has to put them as favorites in the West next year, right?

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Good heavens no. They rank 65th of 65th of Power 5 schools as regards returning starters. Including Dak, I believe they have 6 returning starters on both sides of the ball combined. I know I'm biased, but I feel like last year was flukey (other teams down, favorable schedule, senior laden team, very solid QB) and was the ceiling for Mississippi State. You just can't recruit to Starkville.

[Splendid Splinter]

Dak Prescott coming back for his senior year. Not surprising; he is not an NFL QB talent.

This has to put them as favorites in the West next year, right? Bama and Ark right there also?

 

TSN has their way too early preseason rankings out for next year. They put the Hogs at 4th. In the country. Maybe a bit early for all that.

 

Seriously? LOL

[Guest]

Dak Prescott coming back for his senior year. Not surprising; he is not an NFL QB talent.

This has to put them as favorites in the West next year, right? Bama and Ark right there also?

 

TSN has their way too early preseason rankings out for next year. They put the Hogs at 4th. In the country. Maybe a bit early for all that.

 

Seriously? LOL

I guess they didn't get the memo that the SEC isn't as good as (most) everyone thought.

[dew1679666265]

I see his floor as Jake Locker, another mobile QB who was supposed to be the next big thing.

 

Locker had terrible accuracy throughout college and never had a 2:1 TD:INT ratio. He simply wasn't that good a QB, but he was a good kid and a hard worker, so a lot of people wanted him to do well and believed in him too much.

 

Completion %:

Locker: 47.3 (freshman); 58.2 (junior); 55.4 (senior) - he had less than 100 attempts his sophomore year

Mariota: 68.3 (freshman); 63.5 (sophomore); 68.5 (junior)

 

TD:INT:

Locker: 14:15; 21:11; 17:9

Mariota: 42:4; 31:4; 32:6

 

Locker is a big armed QB who has never showed an ability to consistently complete even easy passes. Mariota doesn't have quite the arm Locker does, but he has a strong enough arm and has been amazingly accurate throughout his college career. If Mariota becomes anything close to Locker, he's regressed considerably.

[Guest]

I see his floor as Jake Locker, another mobile QB who was supposed to be the next big thing.

Totally different QB's.

 

Seriously. Dew nailed it talking about how inaccurate Locker was even in college.

[shnsajax]

The red flag with Mariota, IMO, is the question of his ability vs. "system quarterback". You can count on one hand the number of successful NFL QB's who came out of spread option college offenses

 

I see your point and agree that the system QB is a valid concern, but most of those QBs were athletes who couldn't throw the ball that well but could run the option portion of the offense and learned to throw on the fly.

 

Mariota has been a very productive QB his entire career. He's much more of a passer than guys like Dixon, Tebow, etc.

 

Yeah I look at Mariota as a bigger and stronger Colt McCoy.

[rawaction]

There's a misconception that Mariota has predetermined reads and only uses half the field. But he has really made strides in going thru his reads and reading the whole field. I think he's coming to the NFL with better accuracy, ability to read defenses, and leadership than any of the recent spread QBs.

[dew1679666265]

The red flag with Mariota, IMO, is the question of his ability vs. "system quarterback". You can count on one hand the number of successful NFL QB's who came out of spread option college offenses

 

I see your point and agree that the system QB is a valid concern, but most of those QBs were athletes who couldn't throw the ball that well but could run the option portion of the offense and learned to throw on the fly.

 

Mariota has been a very productive QB his entire career. He's much more of a passer than guys like Dixon, Tebow, etc.

 

Yeah I look at Mariota as a bigger and stronger Colt McCoy.

 

He's got a stronger arm than McCoy. I actually like the more mobile Andy Dalton comp as his floor, though I think Dalton probably has a bit stronger arm than Mariota.

[jersey cubs fan]

A mobile Andy Dalton as his floor makes me think people need to seriously rethink their concept of what a floor is.

[SouthSideRyan]

A mobile Andy Dalton as his floor makes me think people need to seriously rethink their concept of what a floor is.

 

Fine it's a more accurate Randall Cunningham.

[Splendid Splinter]

A mobile Andy Dalton as his floor makes me think people need to seriously rethink their concept of what a floor is.

 

He's a mobile Joe Montana.

[bukie]

His floor is the same as my NFL quarterback floor....not being an NFL quarterback.

[dew1679666265]

A mobile Andy Dalton as his floor makes me think people need to seriously rethink their concept of what a floor is.

 

Floor is probably the wrong word for it - maybe low end expectation.

[Derwood]

Cardale going pro

[jersey cubs fan]

Cardale is returning to OSU

[treebird]

Cardale is returning to OSU

 

booooooooooo

[Guest]

Cardale going pro

lol

[UMFan83]

Cardale going pro

 

I am assuming the story blew up based on his tweet. I don't understand why people would assume that he was going pro just based off that tweet.

[Guest]

A mobile Andy Dalton as his floor makes me think people need to seriously rethink their concept of what a floor is.

 

Floor is probably the wrong word for it - maybe low end expectation.

If that's low end he's gotta be one of the safest QB picks in recent memory, save for Luck.

[Derwood]

Cardale going pro

lol

 

Massive local media fail. They were reporting him declaring as fact

[OleMissCub]

@BunkiePerkins

Cardale Jones going back is like beating Grand Theft Auto and then just playing because you like to shoot and run over people.

[Derwood]

@BunkiePerkins

Cardale Jones going back is like beating Grand Theft Auto and then just playing because you like to shoot and run over people.

 

Except not like that in any way

[dew1679666265]

A mobile Andy Dalton as his floor makes me think people need to seriously rethink their concept of what a floor is.

 

Floor is probably the wrong word for it - maybe low end expectation.

If that's low end he's gotta be one of the safest QB picks in recent memory, save for Luck.

 

There's no question his bust potential is much higher than Luck's, but I'd put it much lower than Winston's. And Dalton isn't exactly a really high bar either - 61% completions and 99:66 TD:INT, pretty much an average QB at best. His highest DVOA is 13 and his highest DYAR is 12 - usually he's 15th to 22nd.

 

Mariota's certainly got a bust factor to him, I just don't see that as an expectation. Just like the high end expectation isn't the greatest QB in history, even though there's certainly some slim possibility that he (just like most any high draft pick) becomes that. I'm talking about if he develops into a starting NFL QB, this is the range we could reasonably expect from him.

[shnsajax]

@BunkiePerkins

Cardale Jones going back is like beating Grand Theft Auto and then just playing because you like to shoot and run over people.

 

I thought he was going back for the classes.