College Football - Week 10 (Nov. 1)

[stuy119]

Because every single other sport on earth has a tournament to crown its champion.

 

And maybe, just maybe, if teams can regularly get into the field of 8 with one loss, they'll be more likely to schedule real OOC games instead of Coastal Carolina and Chatanooga

 

I would argue they would be less likely, since overall health of the players would matter more than a "fun" OOC game.

[Guest]

@AdamSchefter: May not be a bowl game, or any game this season, with as much draftable talent as tonight's Louisville-Florida State game, per NfL exec.

[apete6]

It's ironic because out of all of the sports, College Football probably needs a BIGGER playoff to justify crowning someone the champion. In order of sports that "need" a playoff (from least to most), I'd probably go here:

 

MLB (if you can't tell the best team after 162 games, then....)

NBA (1st or 2nd best team wins playoffs ~90% of the time)

NHL (enough regular season games to figure it out despite the recent rash of lower seeded teams making the Final)

NFL (need at least a championship game due to number of teams/games)

College Football (so many teams...)

College Basketball (so many teams/conferences...though a 16/32 team playoff for this is probably better for crowning the actual best team, which rarely happens in a 1 and done tournament)

[Ryne Ween]

You are missing the point apete. College football would need a bigger playoff to properly crown a champion. It just doesn't need to crown a champion. That's not the purpose of college football as a whole. Conferences can crown champions. We don't need a crowned champion. Arguing about who the best team is worked for 100 years and still would work.

[Guest]

You are missing the point apete. College football would need a bigger playoff to properly crown a champion. It just doesn't need to crown a champion. That's not the purpose of college football as a whole. Conferences can crown champions. We don't need a crowned champion. Arguing about who the best team is worked for 100 years and still would work.

What do you mean when you say "worked"? If you mean incredibly financially successful, I agree. But if you mean determine the best team, I don't.

 

I think they can do both, but in general I dislike big time college athletics. It is exploitative and not beneficial for students or faculty.

[jersey cubs fan]

I would argue that there isn't a need to determine the best team and no postseason tourney is capable of doing that anyway.

[Ryne Ween]

You are missing the point apete. College football would need a bigger playoff to properly crown a champion. It just doesn't need to crown a champion. That's not the purpose of college football as a whole. Conferences can crown champions. We don't need a crowned champion. Arguing about who the best team is worked for 100 years and still would work.

What do you mean when you say "worked"? If you mean incredibly financially successful, I agree. But if you mean determine the best team, I don't.

 

I think they can do both, but in general I dislike big time college athletics. It is exploitative and not beneficial for students or faculty.

 

By worked I mean: really enjoyable to follow as a fan. Obviously that translates to the exploitation and popularity and financial stuff you reference. Those are thins that will exist to a degree regardless of postseason format.

 

Ultimately it's the financial aspect that will drive the playoffs as it drove conference realignment. Both of which I felt was not needed.

[Ryne Ween]

FSU is only -3.5 tonight at Louisville. I guess the powers that be like Louisville a lot tonight. I don't think FSU is that great but man that seems like a tight spread facing a mediocre offense like Louisville.

[apete6]

I would argue that there isn't a need to determine the best team and no postseason tourney is capable of doing that anyway.

 

That's fair. Tough to sell a sport, though, without a title of some sort. Even in the "poll" days, people were obsessed with crowning a mythical champion. The growth of revenue in college football can be almost directly correlated to 3 things:

 

1. Football's overall popularity

2. Growth in the % of people going to college

3. Rise of the Bowl Alliance/Bowl Coalition/BCS/Playoff (this is why it will eventually be 8 or 12 or 16 teams)

 

I would like the whole thing to figure itself out by the lower conferences (MAC, Sun Belt, Mountain West, CUSA, AAC) to just form their own division, have the power 5 add a few teams that belong in those groups (ND, maybe BYU, Boise, a few others--UCONN maybe, ECU maybe), then have an 8 team playoff. I highly doubt that ever happens, though, because of all of the backroom dealing and general awfulness of college sports.

[jersey cubs fan]

I would argue that there isn't a need to determine the best team and no postseason tourney is capable of doing that anyway.

 

That's fair. Tough to sell a sport, though, without a title of some sort. Even in the "poll" days, people were obsessed with crowning a mythical champion. The growth of revenue in college football can be almost directly correlated to 3 things:

 

1. Football's overall popularity

2. Growth in the % of people going to college

3. Rise of the Bowl Alliance/Bowl Coalition/BCS/Playoff (this is why it will eventually be 8 or 12 or 16 teams)

 

I would like the whole thing to figure itself out by the lower conferences (MAC, Sun Belt, Mountain West, CUSA, AAC) to just form their own division, have the power 5 add a few teams that belong in those groups (ND, maybe BYU, Boise, a few others--UCONN maybe, ECU maybe), then have an 8 team playoff. I highly doubt that ever happens, though, because of all of the backroom dealing and general awfulness of college sports.

 

The strength of college football is tied to television distribution of regular season games, as everybody is obsessed with winning their conference and beating their rival. They've never had a postseason tourney yet the game has stacked up favorably to all sorts of other ones that do have that tourney and do rely on the need to crown a postseason champ. They playoff is just another product to sell, it's not vital to the concept of college football.

[Ryne Ween]

I do not think the BCS system did anything to raise the popularity of CFB. It streamlined the national champion and cemented the bowl affiliations. It also maybe raised the importance of winning your OOC games. It did not dilute the season which is CFBs huge advantage over all the other sports.

 

Te rankings were fun as hell. Now they don't matter. Just this committees ranking matters and it only matters up to 4. The season is no longer 12 must win games. And the level of subjectivity in the formula has gone from 600 people and a dozen computers to 12 people. Now we have 4. Next we will have 8. Then we will drop an OOC and have 16. We are dilluting the importance of 50 or more games to consolidate interest in 4 or 5 games to crown a champion we never needed.

[Derwood]

I demand a champion

[Andy]

I originally thought I should want FSU to win tonight, but the committee made it pretty clear they don't give a rip about "quality of loss", as far as such a thing can exist, so I'm thinking a Louisville win would be better for ND so they could shoot up the rankings prior to the 11/22 game.

[OleMissCub]

I originally thought I should want FSU to win tonight, but the committee made it pretty clear they don't give a rip about "quality of loss", as far as such a thing can exist, so I'm thinking a Louisville win would be better for ND so they could shoot up the rankings prior to the 11/22 game.

 

Obviously there are other factors that helped Ole Miss with their rank, but they didn't seem to hold the LSU loss against them, so I think quality of loss may be something they factor.

[Derwood]

FSU are getting their asses kicked so far

[OleMissCub]

Mississippi State's offense would curb stomp the Noles defense.

[Careless]

stupid louiville.

[Derwood]

Terrible

[OleMissCub]

Not since Miami's heyday has there been a more loathsome team than FSU.

[NewUserName]

Not since Miami's heyday has there been a more loathsome team than FSU.

They don't bother me that much. I think it's clear that they are currently not a top 4 team.

[rawaction]

Not since Miami's heyday has there been a more loathsome team than FSU.

They don't bother me that much. I think it's clear that they are currently not a top 4 team.

 

How is it clear? Because they don't play 60 great minutes every week? They still have the best player in college football, loads on NFL talent, and haven't lost a game in like 2 years.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not since Miami's heyday has there been a more loathsome team than FSU.

They don't bother me that much. I think it's clear that they are currently not a top 4 team.

 

How is it clear? Because they don't play 60 great minutes every week? They still have the best player in college football, loads on NFL talent, and haven't lost a game in like 2 years.

They aren't in the SEC.

[shnsajax]

Not since Miami's heyday has there been a more loathsome team than FSU.

They don't bother me that much. I think it's clear that they are currently not a top 4 team.

 

How is it clear? Because they don't play 60 great minutes every week? They still have the best player in college football, loads on NFL talent, and haven't lost a game in like 2 years.

 

This, they can turn it on at any point and basically beat a team in 10 minutes.

[OleMissCub]

Not since Miami's heyday has there been a more loathsome team than FSU.

They don't bother me that much. I think it's clear that they are currently not a top 4 team.

 

How is it clear? Because they don't play 60 great minutes every week? They still have the best player in college football, loads on NFL talent, and haven't lost a game in like 2 years.

They aren't in the SEC.

 

I'd respect them more if they were in any other power 5, not just the SEC. The ACC is a complete joke. I'm not arguing they aren't a good team fwiw, they're just a loathsome crew.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd respect them more if they were in any other power 5, not just the SEC. The ACC is a complete joke. I'm not arguing they aren't a good team fwiw, they're just a loathsome crew.

I get that they have a rapist at QB but what is it about the rest of the team? They don't seem any worse than the typical elite college team.