2013/14 MLB offseason transactions

[neely crenshaw]

Mark Trumbo is good at hitting home runs. Home runs are pretty valuable, which is good because Mark Trumbo does quite literally nothing else well. As a LF he's below average in total, and ZiPS sees very little difference in he and Eaton, who was dealt along with a very talented pitcher for the right to pay Trumbo more money for fewer years than Eaton. Even if you hate the players that were traded away, they had more value than getting Mark Trumbo in return, if only in reputation. The trade was horrific for Arizona and Kevin Towers should feel bad and hopefully they lose 120 games next year.

 

You gave up a "punch and judy" center fielder who was playing left and a young lefty who was never going to break into your rotation.

You are basing value on stats from pitchers park(-5%) and he is going to a hitters park(+3%). You are also basing this on his last season where he slumped badly the 2nd half when Pujols went down and Hamilton never showed up. Maybe it's a trend, maybe it's an anomaly. I'd be willing to bet that he posts better stats than anyone returning to the cubs next season. I'm sure he'll post .800 ops, If they were to lose 120 it wouldn't be because of this trade.

Skaggs is a change up pitcher who will benefit from being in Anaheim, as will Santiago but he probably wasn't ever going to be the type of pitcher that pitches well in Arizona.They also have 2 better lefties, and 2 other better young starters already in the rotation

 

If war is your stat- fangraphs has eaton at -0.5 and Trumbo in a bad year at 2.6

I guess we will see...

Edited December 11, 2013 by neely crenshaw

[Guest]

Mark Trumbo is good at hitting home runs. Home runs are pretty valuable, which is good because Mark Trumbo does quite literally nothing else well. As a LF he's below average in total, and ZiPS sees very little difference in he and Eaton, who was dealt along with a very talented pitcher for the right to pay Trumbo more money for fewer years than Eaton. Even if you hate the players that were traded away, they had more value than getting Mark Trumbo in return, if only in reputation. The trade was horrific for Arizona and Kevin Towers should feel bad and hopefully they lose 120 games next year.

 

You gave up a "punch and judy" center fielder who was playing left and a young lefty who was never going to break into your rotation.

You are basing value on stats from pitchers park and he is going to a hitters park. You are also basing this on his last season where he slumped badly the 2nd half when Pujols went down and Hamilton never showed up. Maybe it's a trend, maybe it's an anomaly. I'd be willing to bet that he posts better stats than anyone returning to the cubs next season. I'm sure he'll post .800 ops, If they were to lose 120 it wouldn't be because of this trade.

 

The bolded is correct. Nothing else in that post is though.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Charlie Morton to Pirates for three years, $21m guaranteed with a chance to go up to $30m.

 

That seems ... high?

[jersey cubs fan]

Charlie Morton to Pirates for three years, $21m guaranteed with a chance to go up to $30m.

 

That seems ... high?

 

He did have a .636 winning percentage last year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I guess xFIP likes him a bit more than I would have guessed. But three years?

[neely crenshaw]

So Trumbo did not play in a pitchers park and BOB isn't a hitters park?

He didn't slump in the second half after Pujols went down?

We will find out about the ops...if the numbers play out by park(+8%) that's 60+ point rise off of last years down stats..still above .800

Take it off the .808 of the year before and he's pushing .870

Except for the fact that it's me saying it, it's not a stretch

Heck, we're hoping/planning that our guy jumps 60 points without even switching parks..

 

It also would make sense that working on playing just one position will help his defense, it may never be great but better. If he hits like he should, it'll more than worth it.

 

You have a team that was .500, missed the playoffs by 9 games while posting an offense that was 18th in slugging, 14th in runs while playing in an offensive friendly park. They sent a guy who in 7 starts posted a 5.12 era. At 22 he may have some upside but he just wasn't in their plans barring an injury. Trumbo is replacing Cody Ross and Kubel from last year, who hardly set the world on fire (0.3 and -0.7 war).

Like it or not even without the possible improvement, they are a better team right now than they were last year.

[fromthestretch]

You gave up a "punch and judy" center fielder who was playing left and a young lefty who was never going to break into your rotation.

 

If war is your stat- fangraphs has eaton at -0.5 and Trumbo in a bad year at 2.6

I guess we will see...

 

I wouldn't classify Eaton as a "punch and judy" hitter. He showed some extra-base power in the minors (47 doubles one season, 10 homers the previous year). He's not going to hit 30 home runs, but he's not Juan Pierre either. He also played nearly as much CF as he did LF, and all signs point to him being capable defensively in CF...more so than Trumbo would be in LF. Furthermore, if you wish to make excuses for Trumbo's lack of production (Pujols hurt, Hamilton not hitting, the clubhouse coffee wasn't strong enough, etc.), you also have to account for the fact that Eaton was playing with a partially torn UCL. Comparing their WAR from 2013 is ridiculous.

 

As for Skaggs, it's a bit premature to say that a now 22-year old who was ranked as one of the top 20 prospects in the game the past two seasons was never going to make Arizona's rotation.

[Guest]

So Trumbo did not play in a pitchers park and BOB isn't a hitters park?

He didn't slump in the second half after Pujols went down?

We will find out about the ops...if the numbers play out by park(+8%) that's 60+ point rise off of last years down stats..still above .800

Take it off the .808 of the year before and he's pushing .870

Except for the fact that it's me saying it, it's not a stretch

Heck, we're hoping/planning that our guy jumps 60 points without even switching parks..

 

It also would make sense that working on playing just one position will help his defense, it may never be great but better. If he hits like he should, it'll more than worth it.

 

You have a team that was .500, missed the playoffs by 9 games while posting an offense that was 18th in slugging, 14th in runs while playing in an offensive friendly park. They sent a guy who in 7 starts posted a 5.12 era. At 22 he may have some upside but he just wasn't in their plans barring an injury. Trumbo is replacing Cody Ross and Kubel from last year, who hardly set the world on fire (0.3 and -0.7 war).

Like it or not even without the possible improvement, they are a better team right now than they were last year.

 

They are not remotely better. Trumbo and Eaton are effectively a wash, and they've given up 2 quality pitchers plus Heath Bell for about 2 million dollars in salary relief. Counting on some revelation from Trumbo leaving LAA's home park or hand-waving away the talented players they traded away doesn't change it.

[SouthSideRyan]

Blevins to the Nats for Billy Burns

 

Corey Hart to the Mariners

[jersey cubs fan]

Corey Hart to the Mariners

That is an interesting destination for a hitter taking a one year deal.

[Cubswin11]

Corey Hart to the Mariners

That is an interesting destination for a hitter taking a one year deal.

Yeah it is. Also a huge OF for a guy who probably still would like to prove he can play there to uphold/build some value in being "versatile."

[davell]

LoMo to the Mariners as well, for Carter Capps.

[bukie]

SIGN ALL THE DHS.

[SouthSideRyan]

Didn't Jack Z start his tenure with the all defense OF or am I making that up? If Morrisson and Hart are ever in the same OF that'll put Rodriguez-Sosa-Hill to shame

[Guest]

Didn't Jack Z start his tenure with the all defense OF or am I making that up? If Morrisson and Hart are ever in the same OF that'll put Rodriguez-Sosa-Hill to shame

 

Back in the days of #6org they had Ichiro, Gutierrez, and an combination of guys in LF for a combined +50 UZR. That was the year that got Gutierrez the "death to flying things" nickname.

[jersey cubs fan]

Back in the days of #6org

 

What is that?

[sneakypower]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/organizational-rankings-6-seattle/

Organizational Rankings: #6 – Seattle

by Dave Cameron - March 31, 2010

 

The presumption is going to be that I put the Mariners at #6 because I’m a biased homer – I am well aware of that. I could spend a few paragraphs explaining how I didn’t compile this by myself and generally attempt to defend myself against the claims of bias, but I’d rather just put those words to use explaining the logic behind the ranking, and then you can think what you will.

he got mercilessly ridiculed for it for a while

[Guest]

Back in the days of #6org

 

What is that?

 

Fangraphs ranked Seattle the 6th best organization in MLB before the 2010 season. There were some legitimate reasons, but it wasn't exactly the popular sentiment. Since Cameron is an M's fan and the team fell on its face soon after, #6org became a meme.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/organizational-rankings-6-seattle/

Organizational Rankings: #6 – Seattle

by Dave Cameron - March 31, 2010

 

The presumption is going to be that I put the Mariners at #6 because I’m a biased homer – I am well aware of that. I could spend a few paragraphs explaining how I didn’t compile this by myself and generally attempt to defend myself against the claims of bias, but I’d rather just put those words to use explaining the logic behind the ranking, and then you can think what you will.

he got mercilessly ridiculed for it for a while

 

Oh my.

[Guest]

@Ken_Rosenthal Sources: #Pirates, free-agent RHP Edinson Volquez in agreement on one-year, $5M contract, pending physical.

[jersey cubs fan]

Blevins to the Nats for Billy Burns

 

Corey Hart to the Mariners

[SouthSideRyan]

@Ken_Rosenthal Sources: #Pirates, free-agent RHP Edinson Volquez in agreement on one-year, $5M contract, pending physical.

 

Now THAT's a bad deal.

 

Volquez has averages -0.4 bWAR and 0.4 fWAR over the last 5 seasons. And he's coming off -2.4 and 0.4 seasons respectively. He doesn't deserve a major league deal.

Edited December 11, 2013 by SouthSideRyan

[SouthSideRyan]

Blevins to the Nats for Billy Burns

 

Corey Hart to the Mariners

 

Not sure how any of this relates to Smoltz

[Guest]

@Ken_Rosenthal Sources: #Mets, Colon in agreement on two-year, $20M deal, pending physical.

 

A touch pricey for me considering the circumstances, but that shouldn't make too much difference to the Mets.

[jersey cubs fan]

@Ken_Rosenthal Sources: #Mets, Colon in agreement on two-year, $20M deal, pending physical.

 

A touch pricey for me considering the circumstances, but that shouldn't make too much difference to the Mets.

 

Have they reimbursed Madoff already?