Soriano to Yankees for RHP Corey Black

[THISisTHEyear09]

He will be missed. Good mentor to the young guys (especially starlin). I have tremendous respect for the guy. Works hard and goes about his businesses the right way. The year he signed my family went to spring training and a day after practice he stood and signed autographs for what had to be an hour. Class act

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I'd be cool with De Paula if the Yankees are.

[Guest]

guh, DeJesus as an everyday corner outfielder on a team that hopes to win more than they lose? vomit-inducing.

 

DeJesus OPSes as a Cub: .753, .765

 

NL average LF those same two years: .763, .757

 

What's the problem?

 

yeah, the 2.5 WAR he's provided thus far has been inspiring. he's also getting old and doesn't hit home runs.

[Elrhino]

I felt bad the way he was singled out by fans, but at the same time I'm ready to move on. His style of play really was a sore reminder of plate approach from the Hendry/Dusty era. Every time he feebly hacked at a breaking ball low away in the dirt 8 inches off the plate, I died a little inside. Too bad he's going to the Yankees, I wish I could cheer for him. Edited July 26, 2013 by Elrhino

[squally1313]

Doing some quick math on what his contract ended up looking like...

 

He's owed $19M next year, and (let's say) $8M the rest of this year. Let's say we pick up $20M of that contract. That means, in total, we paid Soriano $129M (136-7).

 

According to Fangraphs, Sori has been worth 19.0 WAR throughout his career as a Cub. Works out to about $6.8M per win. Obviously it's above what we should be paying, and we didn't accomplish anything while he was here, but I don't think it ended up being the total disaster that the average fan believes it is.

[Guest]

guh, DeJesus as an everyday corner outfielder on a team that hopes to win more than they lose? vomit-inducing.

 

DeJesus OPSes as a Cub: .753, .765

 

NL average LF those same two years: .763, .757

 

What's the problem?

 

yeah, the 2.5 WAR he's provided thus far has been inspiring. he's also getting old and doesn't hit home runs.

 

He's also mostly been playing out of position. He's probably pushing 4 WAR as a Cub if he'd been allowed to play LF.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

guh, DeJesus as an everyday corner outfielder on a team that hopes to win more than they lose? vomit-inducing.

 

DeJesus OPSes as a Cub: .753, .765

 

NL average LF those same two years: .763, .757

 

What's the problem?

 

yeah, the 2.5 WAR he's provided thus far has been inspiring. he's also getting old and doesn't hit home runs.

 

David DeJesus 2012-13: 1.86 fWAR/600 PAs

League average LF 2012: 1.78/600 PAs

League average LF 2013: 1.43/600 PAs

 

What's the problem?

[Guest]

guh, DeJesus as an everyday corner outfielder on a team that hopes to win more than they lose? vomit-inducing.

 

DeJesus OPSes as a Cub: .753, .765

 

NL average LF those same two years: .763, .757

 

What's the problem?

 

yeah, the 2.5 WAR he's provided thus far has been inspiring. he's also getting old and doesn't hit home runs.

 

home runs are incorporated in that OPS and if he is too light on slugging, that only means he's heavier on OBP, which is more important anyway, so why is that really a counter to what Kyle said?

[Guest]

guh, DeJesus as an everyday corner outfielder on a team that hopes to win more than they lose? vomit-inducing.

 

DeJesus OPSes as a Cub: .753, .765

 

NL average LF those same two years: .763, .757

 

What's the problem?

 

yeah, the 2.5 WAR he's provided thus far has been inspiring. he's also getting old and doesn't hit home runs.

 

He's also mostly been playing out of position. He's probably pushing 4 WAR as a Cub if he'd been allowed to play LF.

 

well, soriano was a better option there, just like there are bound to be better options for a team that hopes to contend.

[Guest]

 

He's also mostly been playing out of position. He's probably pushing 4 WAR as a Cub if he'd been allowed to play LF.

 

Yep. Putting up averagish LF offensive numbers but the WAR is being brought down because he can't field CF that well.

[Guest]

guh, DeJesus as an everyday corner outfielder on a team that hopes to win more than they lose? vomit-inducing.

 

DeJesus OPSes as a Cub: .753, .765

 

NL average LF those same two years: .763, .757

 

What's the problem?

 

yeah, the 2.5 WAR he's provided thus far has been inspiring. he's also getting old and doesn't hit home runs.

 

David DeJesus 2012-13: 1.86 fWAR/600 PAs

League average LF 2012: 1.78/600 PAs

League average LF 2013: 1.43/600 PAs

 

What's the problem?

 

so those are your projections for him?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

guh, DeJesus as an everyday corner outfielder on a team that hopes to win more than they lose? vomit-inducing.

 

DeJesus OPSes as a Cub: .753, .765

 

NL average LF those same two years: .763, .757

 

What's the problem?

 

yeah, the 2.5 WAR he's provided thus far has been inspiring. he's also getting old and doesn't hit home runs.

 

David DeJesus 2012-13: 1.86 fWAR/600 PAs

League average LF 2012: 1.78/600 PAs

League average LF 2013: 1.43/600 PAs

 

What's the problem?

 

so those are your projections for him?

 

Is there some reason they shouldn't be? ZIPS seems to like him just fine.

[Guest]

so those are your projections for him?

 

I'd project him higher since he'd be fielding LF and not CF.

[Guest]

guh, DeJesus as an everyday corner outfielder on a team that hopes to win more than they lose? vomit-inducing.

 

DeJesus OPSes as a Cub: .753, .765

 

NL average LF those same two years: .763, .757

 

What's the problem?

 

yeah, the 2.5 WAR he's provided thus far has been inspiring. he's also getting old and doesn't hit home runs.

 

He's also mostly been playing out of position. He's probably pushing 4 WAR as a Cub if he'd been allowed to play LF.

 

well, soriano was a better option there, just like there are bound to be better options for a team that hopes to contend.

 

I'm not suggesting they should've played DeJesus there all along, I'm looking forward. DeJesus in LF v. Soriano in LF in 2014 is largely a wash, odds are a platoon on the order of Sweeney/Lake, DeJesus/Vitters, etc. is as well. So if they can free up enough money to actually make a difference in 2014 and pick up a decent prospect in the process, they come out ahead.

[Guest]

Unless I'm missing someone, Shark is now the longest tenured Cub and the only one to play with the team before 2010, right?

[ConstableRabbit]

Bob with some nice things to say about Fonzie, haha!

 

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[Hairyducked Idiot]

Unless I'm missing someone, Shark is now the longest tenured Cub and the only one to play with the team before 2010, right?

 

Gregg played for the team in 2009, but obviously has not been on the team since.

[Guest]

so those are your projections for him?

 

I'd project him higher since he'd be fielding LF and not CF.

 

i'd rather take my chances with Lake out there. dejesus projects to be average to below average, and that's fine, it's fine for you guys to want that.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i'd rather take my chances with Lake out there. dejesus projects to be average to below average, and that's fine, it's fine for you guys to want that.

 

Lake projects to be a lot worse.

 

I'd honestly rather just keep pretending DeJesus is a CFer for another year and go get a big bat for LF.

[Guest]

i'd rather take my chances with Lake out there. dejesus projects to be average to below average, and that's fine, it's fine for you guys to want that.

 

Lake projects to be a lot worse.

 

I'd honestly rather just keep pretending DeJesus is a CFer for another year and go get a big bat for LF.

 

Lake's floor isn't where DeJesus's is, but his ceiling is certainly well above that of the veteran.

 

i'm fine with DeJesus in center, but i'd like to see what we have in Lake in left, first.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Lake's floor isn't where DeJesus's is, but his ceiling is certainly well above that of the veteran.

 

Wait, you were moaning and complaining about trying to be a winning team with a .760 OPS and good defense in LF, but you are pining for a guy who plays bad defense and could barely OPS that in AA and AAA, because he might have some sort of vaguely defined ceiling?

 

Cool. Carry on.

[Guest]

Lake's floor isn't where DeJesus's is, but his ceiling is certainly well above that of the veteran.

 

Wait, you were moaning and complaining about trying to be a winning team with a .760 OPS and good defense in LF, but you are pining for a guy who plays bad defense and could barely OPS that in AA and AAA, because he might have some sort of vaguely defined ceiling?

 

Cool. Carry on.

 

i'm actually just wanting to see what we have with Lake and give him more PA's to find out. There's risk, sure, nerdlinger.

[Guest]

Unless I'm missing someone, Shark is now the longest tenured Cub and the only one to play with the team before 2010, right?

 

Change it to before 2009 and your statement becomes 100% true.

[Guest]

Lake's floor isn't where DeJesus's is, but his ceiling is certainly well above that of the veteran.

 

Wait, you were moaning and complaining about trying to be a winning team with a .760 OPS and good defense in LF, but you are pining for a guy who plays bad defense and could barely OPS that in AA and AAA, because he might have some sort of vaguely defined ceiling?

 

Cool. Carry on.

 

i'm actually just wanting to see what we have with Lake and give him more PA's to find out. There's risk, sure, nerdlinger.

 

I definitely don't disagree with you there...especially not for the rest of this year. Thankfully it's not an either/or scenario in that regard (between DeJesus/Lake).

[Guest]

Lake's floor isn't where DeJesus's is, but his ceiling is certainly well above that of the veteran.

 

Wait, you were moaning and complaining about trying to be a winning team with a .760 OPS and good defense in LF, but you are pining for a guy who plays bad defense and could barely OPS that in AA and AAA, because he might have some sort of vaguely defined ceiling?

 

Cool. Carry on.

 

i'm actually just wanting to see what we have with Lake and give him more PA's to find out. There's risk, sure, nerdlinger.

 

I definitely don't disagree with you there...especially not for the rest of this year. Thankfully it's not an either/or scenario in that regard (between DeJesus/Lake).

 

no, but there's really nothing to play for, so why not minimize the risk by playing him now?