Soriano to Yankees for RHP Corey Black

[Neuby]

Joel Sherman

‏@Joelsherman1

#Cubs scout watched Chase Whitley over weekend, #Yankees deep in yng/inexpensive setup Kelly/Claiborne in MLB Burawa/Betances/Kahnle close

[CubsWin]

On January 8, 2011, Cubs got Matt Garza (26 years old with 3 years of team control), LHP Zach Rosscup (22) and OF Fernando Perez (27).

 

The Cubs gave SS Hak-Ju Lee (20) (Ranked #92 by BA pre-2011), RHP Chris Archer (22) (Ranked #27 by BA pre-2011), C Robinson Chirinos (26), OF Sam Fuld (29) and OF Brandon Guyer (24).

 

 

On July 22, 2013, Cubs gave Garza (29 years old with 3 months of team control).

 

Cubs got RHP C.J. Edwards (21) (Ranked #73 by Sickels mid-2013, #70 by BullpenBanter mid-2013), 3B Mike Olt (24) (Ranked #44 by BA mid-2013, also #50-55 by Fangraphs, Prospect 361 mid-2013), RHP Justin Grimm (24), and 1 or 2 PTBNL. If the Cubs opt to go with only one PTBNL, it can be 2007 1st rounder RHP Neil Ramirez (24).

 

Who got the better deal, the 2011 Hendry led Cubs or the 2013 Epstein/Hoyer led Cubs?

[Guest]

Joel Sherman

‏@Joelsherman1

#Cubs scout watched Chase Whitley over weekend, #Yankees deep in yng/inexpensive setup Kelly/Claiborne in MLB Burawa/Betances/Kahnle close

What's that say in English?

[rawaction]

I don't want to really trade Soriano. Almost certainly won't get good enough value for him. Another case of a guy being worth more to the Cubs than he will be on the trade market. And to my surprise, he actually has been a positive influence on the Cubs young Latin players. That being said, maybe Olt was part of the solution to make up some of the RH power that will be lost when he is traded. With him and potentially Lake, the RH power isn't as desperate as it would've been without Soriano a week ago.

[Guest]

On January 8, 2011, Cubs got Matt Garza (26 years old with 3 years of team control), LHP Zach Rosscup (22) and OF Fernando Perez (27).

 

The Cubs gave SS Hak-Ju Lee (20) (Ranked #92 by BA pre-2011), RHP Chris Archer (22) (Ranked #27 by BA pre-2011), C Robinson Chirinos (26), OF Sam Fuld (29) and OF Brandon Guyer (24).

 

 

On July 22, 2013, Cubs gave Garza (29 years old with 3 months of team control).

 

Cubs got RHP C.J. Edwards (21) (Ranked #73 by Sickels mid-2013, #70 by BullpenBanter mid-2013), 3B Mike Olt (24) (Ranked #44 by BA mid-2013, also #50-55 by Fangraphs, Prospect 361 mid-2013), RHP Justin Grimm (24), and 1 or 2 PTBNL. If the Cubs opt to go with only one PTBNL, it can be 2007 1st rounder RHP Neil Ramirez (24).

 

Who got the better deal, the 2011 Hendry led Cubs or the 2013 Epstein/Hoyer led Cubs?

easily the 2013 Cubs. 3013 Garza is damaged goods and a rental

[mul21]

Joel Sherman

‏@Joelsherman1

#Cubs scout watched Chase Whitley over weekend, #Yankees deep in yng/inexpensive setup Kelly/Claiborne in MLB Burawa/Betances/Kahnle close

What's that say in English?

 

It says the Cubs are looking at a set up guy the Yankees have in AAA they're willing to give up because they have some other similar options for that role near ready to be in the ML pen.

[THISisTHEyear09]

I cant believe we'd trade Soriano for a AAA Bullpen guy

[Old Style]

3013 Garza is damaged goods

Some scouts question whether or not Garza will even be living by the time the 3013 season rolls around.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Joel Sherman

‏@Joelsherman1

#Cubs scout watched Chase Whitley over weekend, #Yankees deep in yng/inexpensive setup Kelly/Claiborne in MLB Burawa/Betances/Kahnle close

What's that say in English?

 

It says the Cubs are looking at a set up guy the Yankees have in AAA they're willing to give up because they have some other similar options for that role near ready to be in the ML pen.

 

Joel Sherman of the NY Post -- who's usually very accurate about these kinds of things -- tweets that the Cubs had been scouting RHP Chase Whitley. Whitley is an MLB ready reliever who isn't a flame-thrower (89-91 mph) but misses bats because of good deception and a good slider and change up. He has struck out 8.69 batters and walked 3.05 per 9 IP while posting a 3.52 ERA in AAA (3.28 FIP).

[Little Slide Rooter]

3013 Garza is damaged goods

Some scouts question whether or not Garza will even be living by the time the 3013 season rolls around.

 

Hopefully by then, the Epstein plan will be closing in on fruitation.

[Little Slide Rooter]

How's Betances stock doing these days? It doesn't seem like that long ago when the Yankees would have just as soon pulled the phone out of the wall than take calls on him.

[Tyrant]

fruitation.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

fruitation.

 

http://thewordisnotfruitation.com/

[BeerHere]

If the Cubs are paying that much money, they should try to get more than a "mid level prospect". They shouldn't be desperate to trade Soriano either way, but if they do decide to move him *and* pay most of his salary, they need to get something of significance back.

[Banedon]

fruitation.

 

http://thewordisnotfruitation.com/

 

I had no idea that was a common misspelling. It's not like it even sounds that way.

[Guest]

fruitation.

 

http://thewordisnotfruitation.com/

 

I had no idea that was a common misspelling. It's not like it even sounds that way.

 

 

Yeah, I don't think I had ever even seen someone attempt to spell it that way.

[ctcf]

Nor have I. I'm also not surprised SCS was the reason I finally encountered it.

[Elrhino]

Cubs are going to have to allocate resources to fix their bullpen in the offseason somehow. If part of that allocation has to be 1.2 years of a 1 WAR 37-38 year old left fielder into a 24 year old cheap young bullpen arm with several years of cost control like Whitley, that sounds good to me. That's even assuming we don't free up any money from Soriano's salary to allocate elsewhere. Edited July 23, 2013 by Elrhino

[imb]

If the Cubs are paying that much money, they should try to get more than a "mid level prospect". They shouldn't be desperate to trade Soriano either way, but if they do decide to move him *and* pay most of his salary, they need to get something of significance back.

 

that money is sunk, they aren't going to get anything better back just by paying it, considering the alternative is just paying it in the first place.

[dcvalpo]

Just heard Jed's comments on the Score...he says these reports are entirely overblown and there is no deal close. Acknowledged that they have talked to several teams about Soriano.

[Guest]

If the Cubs are paying that much money, they should try to get more than a "mid level prospect". They shouldn't be desperate to trade Soriano either way, but if they do decide to move him *and* pay most of his salary, they need to get something of significance back.

 

that money is sunk, they aren't going to get anything better back just by paying it, considering the alternative is just paying it in the first place.

 

the money is sunk, but of course they should expect a better return the more they pay. if a team is getting a player, the less money they have to pay him, the more valuable he is and the more he should cost. if they don't get enough in return, then they should be paying him to play for the Cubs, not the yankees.

 

there's no question that a team should have to give up more for soriano and $18M than for soriano and $10M (or $5M - or nothing) or something.

[pitchcs]

Cubs are going to have to allocate resources to fix their bullpen in the offseason somehow. If part of that allocation has to be 1.2 years of a 1 WAR 37-38 year old left fielder into a 24 year old cheap young bullpen arm with several years of cost control like Whitley, that sounds good to me. That's even assuming we don't free up any money from Soriano's salary to allocate elsewhere.

 

 

Yep, I agree. This is the situation we're looking at with Soriano and it has been for a few years and I'm OK with that.

[imb]

If the Cubs are paying that much money, they should try to get more than a "mid level prospect". They shouldn't be desperate to trade Soriano either way, but if they do decide to move him *and* pay most of his salary, they need to get something of significance back.

 

that money is sunk, they aren't going to get anything better back just by paying it, considering the alternative is just paying it in the first place.

 

the money is sunk, but of course they should expect a better return the more they pay. if a team is getting a player, the less money they have to pay him, the more valuable he is and the more he should cost. if they don't get enough in return, then they should be paying him to play for the Cubs, not the yankees.

 

there's no question that a team should have to give up more for soriano and $18M than for soriano and $10M (or $5M - or nothing) or something.

 

here's how other teams are gonna look at it

 

option a) the cubs pay soriano's 2014 salary, we pick up the rest of 2013 so you can replace him next year and we give you something not completely terrible

option b) there's no option b

 

paying the entire thing is the only way to move him. saying "well we'll accept a nothing if you pay the whole thing/a significant portion" accomplishes nothing because no one is going to do it

[Little Slide Rooter]

If all the Cubs can get is a mid level prospect while eating his entire salary, then we should just keep him and hope that somebody becomes desperate enough to give us something of value. If not, we just keep him until the contract expires, the engine drops out, or somebody comes for his job.

 

As I've said before, whether Soriano's playing for the Cubs, somebody else, or nobody at all, the Cubs will be paying at least 95% of his salary, so it may as well be to play for us. His production is not something that can be pulled off the streets.

[PrimeTime]

Jed and Theo flying out to AZ today speak to Soriano face to face.