Feldman to Orioles for Stropp, Arietta, bonus slots

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Really poor return for Feldman. Sadly, Strop might be our second-best reliever now.

 

I wanted to say "of course that's not true, he's terrible."

 

But he's terrible and it might be true :(

[Guest]

Eww. Instead of prospects for Feldman, we got crappy older pitchers?

 

Wait, you didn't know this the first time you posted in this thread?

[davell]

I'm underwhelmed honestly. We're only getting 388100 in IFA money, so thats not even going to give us enough to get Jimenez and Moreno, without making another trade. I get that Arrieta is a change of scenery type. I also know there are rumors that the Pads really like him. So maybe this isn't even a finished deal. Hell, I'll even admit that I've been waiting for Feldman to start sucking. Even still, I was expecting something else, as a return.

[Castros trade value]

Arrieta has ace stuff. Mid 90's heat and low 90's slider. He did win 10 games in the AL in 2011. He is absolutely worth a try in the NL. While Strop has struggled, he's a another guy with a big arm.

 

Change of scenery card here.

[Guest]

I'm trying to focus on Arrieta's performance from last year. He was actually pretty good for those 114 innings.

[treebird]

as people have alluded to, the real problem with this is the timing. if you make a trade like this right at the deadline, fine, nobody really wanted feldman so we'll just take some junk on the off-off-chance it becomes useful down the line. to make this trade now really seems to suggest we have gone 16-year old latin player stupid and actually highly valuing the ability to sign an extra ONE of these kids. signing those kids is fine and definitely something we should do, but not at the expense of, well, anything else. i wouldn't trade the mcdonald's for pool money, let alone actual useful major league baseball players.

[Andy]

The Cubs' Twitter says Arrieta will report to AAA Iowa. Does this mean Villanueva will be moved back into the rotation?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Eww. Instead of prospects for Feldman, we got crappy older pitchers?

 

Wait, you didn't know this the first time you posted in this thread?

 

No. Why is that weird?

 

I posted an instant reaction to the fact that there was a trade, then spent five minutes forming an opinion on it through stat scouting. That's how this woks.

[sneakypower]

if you want something to be upset about, it's that we made it an either/or with Feldman & Liriano, and ended up with the inferior option (at half the term)

 

Liriano's 4th in FIP, amongst pitchers with 10+ starts, btw

[Guest]

The Cubs' Twitter says Arrieta will report to AAA Iowa. Does this mean Villanueva will be moved back into the rotation?

 

Probably, though Rusin is starting today.

[BeerHere]

The Cubs' Twitter says Arrieta will report to AAA Iowa. Does this mean Villanueva will be moved back into the rotation?

 

Looks like Rusin is being called up to take his spot in the rotation.

 

Chris Rusin was called up from Iowa and will start in place of Feldman on Tuesday night.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-chicago-cubs--feldman-clevenger--20130702,0,5019558.story

[Andy]

I knew Rusin was starting today - just assume he won't be kept up. I've been wrong before of course.

[Guest]

if you want something to be upset about, it's that we made it an either/or with Feldman & Liriano, and ended up with the inferior option (at half the term)

 

Liriano's 4th in FIP, amongst pitchers with 10+ starts, btw

 

 

Lirano also doesn't show up on a list of pitchers with 11+ starts. I mean, I get it, but even in hindsight I'm still okay with them taking the innings considering how much doubt there was about Liriano's health.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

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[Clem Fandango]

if you want something to be upset about, it's that we made it an either/or with Feldman & Liriano, and ended up with the inferior option (at half the term)

 

Liriano's 4th in FIP, amongst pitchers with 10+ starts, btw

 

To be fair, Liriano had been really bad and unreliable health wise leading up to this season. Also, Pittsburgh's pitching coach is apparently a miracle worker.

 

Seriously, who the hell is Jeff Locke?

[Have a seat, Neifi]

David Cameron ‏@DCameronFG 8m

Good for BAL, better for CHC. RT @fangraphs: Orioles Upgrade With Scott Feldman; Cubs Continue Stocking Up http://bit.ly/14Lqmqo

[RammyFanny]

From a couple days ago:

The Padres "are enamored" with Orioles right-hander Jake Arrieta. Center reported last week that the Padres have been linked to Arrieta, and Center spoke to a pair of scouts this week who "really love Arrieta's stuff" and believe he could be a second or third starter "in the right situation."

Center hears that Arrieta and Matt Garza are the pitchers most associated with a potential Padres trade. Several teams are interested in Garza, though I'd argue the Padres could have a possible edge due to Cubs GM Jed Hoyer's familiarity with the San Diego organization and farm system.

I wonder if a Garza + Arrieta package could bring back a haul.

[Guest]

OAKLAND – The Chicago Cubs today acquired right-handed pitchers Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop as well as two international signing bonus slots (slot numbers three and four) from the Baltimore Orioles for right-handed pitcher Scott Feldman and catcher Steve Clevenger.

 

Arrieta will be assigned to Triple-A Iowa while Strop is expected to report to the Cubs later this week.

 

Arrieta, 27, is 20-25 with a 5.46 ERA (217 ER/358.0 IP) in 69 major league appearances, all but six as a starting pitcher, in all or part of the last four seasons with Baltimore (2010-13). He was originally selected by the Orioles in the fifth round of the 2007 Draft and made his major league debut in 2010 at the age of 24. He was a 10-game winner for the Orioles in 2011, going 10-8 with a 5.05 ERA (67 ER/119.1 IP) in 22 starts. Arrieta has split the last two seasons (2012-13) between Baltimore and Triple-A Norfolk.

 

The 6-foot-4, 225-pound Arrieta was a member of Baltimore’s 2013 Opening Day roster and has had three stints with the big league club this season, going 1-2 with a 7.23 ERA (19 ER/23.2 IP) in five starts. With Norfolk, Arrieta went 5-3 with a 4.41 ERA (24 ER/49.0 IP) in nine appearances (eight starts) this year.

 

Arrieta was drafted by the Orioles out of Texas Christian University and made his professional debut in 2008. A year later, he advanced as high as Triple-A, combining to go 11-11 with a 3.40 ERA (57 ER/150.2 IP) in 28 starts between Double-A Bowie and Norfolk. He began the 2010 campaign by going 6-2 with a 1.85 ERA (15 ER/73.0 IP) in 12 appearances (11 starts) with Norfolk to earn his first promotion to the big leagues.

 

Strop, 28, last season served as one of Baltimore’s primary set-up men, going 5-2 with three saves, 24 holds and a 2.44 ERA (18 ER/66.1 IP) in 70 relief appearances, all single-season career bests. He tied for seventh in the American League in holds and limited opponents to a .283 slugging percentage, the sixth-lowest mark in the majors among pitchers who made at least 70 appearances.

 

The 6-foot, 175-pound Strop is 7-6 with three saves and a 4.14 ERA (59 ER/128.1 IP) in 144 major league relief appearances with Texas (2009-11) and Baltimore (2011-13). He missed time on the disabled list this year due to a lower back strain and has gone 0-3 with a 7.25 ERA (18 ER/22.1 IP) in 29 relief outings with Baltimore.

 

A native of the Dominican Republic, Strop made his major league debut with the Rangers in 2009 and split three seasons between the majors and minors before being traded to Baltimore near the end of the 2011 campaign. He combined to go 2-1 with a 2.05 ERA (5 ER/22.0 IP) in 23 relief appearances that season between Texas and Baltimore before his breakout campaign in 2012.

 

Feldman, 30, signed a one-year contract with the Cubs prior to the 2013 campaign and went 7-6 with a 3.46 ERA (35 ER/91.0 IP) in 15 starts this season. Overall, Feldman is 46-50 with a 4.66 ERA (424 ER/818.2 IP) in 219 major league games (116 starts) with Texas (2005-12) and the Cubs (2013).

 

Clevenger, 27, batted .125 (1-for-8) in eight games with the Cubs this season before straining his left oblique on April 13. He batted .327 (17-for-52) in 15 games with Iowa this year.

[imb]

Lmao our management really is just playing baseball mogul

[Guest]

And that’s why the Cubs were able to extract a pretty nice package in return for a guy who was in moderate demand as a free agent over the winter. Jake Arrieta is the main part of this deal for the Cubs, as they’re basically repeating the bet they made with Feldman, just with a younger cost controlled arm this time. Arrieta’s career 5.46 ERA is pretty ugly, but his xFIP is a much more palatable 4.45, and his future projects to be better than his past.

 

That said, Arrieta is 27-years-old and his Triple-A numbers aren’t anything amazing, so while he was labeled a top prospect a few years back, there’s probably not quite as much upside here as you might think. He’s got a 94 mph fastball but a history of not really knowing how to command it particularly well, and he’s never missed as many bats as you might expect from a guy with his stuff. I wouldn’t be too shocked if he ended up in relief with the Cubs, though I’d imagine they’ll give him another chance to stick as a starter before making the conversion.

 

If Arrieta can make some improvements, there’s a chance he could turn into a quality rotation depth piece, and his service time means that he’ll be under team control for another three seasons after this one. He’s the kind of lottery ticket arm that rebuilding teams should be giving chances to, and he’d be a nice return for a rent-a-veteran just by himself. But, the Cubs didn’t just get Arrieta; they also got the ability to buy some better prospects for the future.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/orioles-upgrade-with-scott-feldman-cubs-continue-stocking-up/

 

 

FWIW, Feldman's career xFIP is 4.45.

 

Maybe we did sort of get the same guy just a bit younger, cheaper, and under team control.

[mul21]

I thought that FG article sounded a bit optimistic, but if the IFA money turns out to be as valuable of a commodity as they (FG) seem to think it is then maybe these deals actually are slanted in the Cubs favor. Who the hell knows at this point I guess.

[jersey cubs fan]

I thought that FG article sounded a bit optimistic, but if the IFA money turns out to be as valuable of a commodity as they (FG) seem to think it is then maybe these deals actually are slanted in the Cubs favor. Who the hell knows at this point I guess.

 

The Cubs are the ones making it valuable by being the guys who are trading stuff for it.

[Fro]

I thought that FG article sounded a bit optimistic, but if the IFA money turns out to be as valuable of a commodity as they (FG) seem to think it is then maybe these deals actually are slanted in the Cubs favor. Who the hell knows at this point I guess.

 

The real question to ask is "Where would Jimenez and Torres go if they were eligible in the amateur draft (with the high school & college players) this year?".

 

More IFA money = more draft picks, essentially, but we're not exactly sure how valuable those are.

[Guest]

I thought that FG article sounded a bit optimistic, but if the IFA money turns out to be as valuable of a commodity as they (FG) seem to think it is then maybe these deals actually are slanted in the Cubs favor. Who the hell knows at this point I guess.

 

The real question to ask is "Where would Jimenez and Torres go if they were eligible in the amateur draft (with the high school & college players) this year?".

 

More IFA money = more draft picks, essentially, but we're not exactly sure how valuable those are.

 

As 16-year olds competing against better trained 18-year old HS seniors and 21-year old college juniors, I don't think either Jimenez or Torres would have been first rounders in this years draft. If they were, they'd probably be late first rounders (and Torres more likely than Jimenez).

[PrimeTime]

Does all this signal Shawn Camp to be DFA? God, I hope so.