Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez Signs with the Phillies

[davell]

I guess i'll trust our (and everyone elses) scouts, but didn't we conclude that this guy put up worse numbers at 25-26 in the same league as Concepcion?

Sounds like he's throwing harder now and may have had some health issues his last few years in the league.

[davell]

They've locked in their participation ribbon. Whether or not they get the player, or if he's good or not, is gravy.

These comments would be funnier if they were getting less than 1 out of every 30 guys they went after.

 

The dig isn't at them.

Then I think I need a translation.

Limited funds, perhaps?

[KingCubsFan]

Here is an encouraging post from ABTY7 from PSD:

 

Cubs brass has incredibly strong bid in on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez... Unlikely to be outbid- really just a matter of if he wants to be here...

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?829356-2013-Free-Agent-and-Trade-Idea-Thread-5-0/page27

 

I'll be interested in seeing how much he actually signs for versus how much Garza makes in FA.

If our financial situation keeps us from upping payroll this offseason, Gonzalez appears to be in the 4 or 5 year, 10-12 mill per, range. Which would basically replace Garza's 10.5 mill salary slot. At 26, if he DOES have frontline capabilities, he's a must-get for us, in my mind.

I'd rather pay the extra $5 million a year to keep Garza.

[SouthSideRyan]

Here is an encouraging post from ABTY7 from PSD:

 

Cubs brass has incredibly strong bid in on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez... Unlikely to be outbid- really just a matter of if he wants to be here...

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?829356-2013-Free-Agent-and-Trade-Idea-Thread-5-0/page27

 

I'll be interested in seeing how much he actually signs for versus how much Garza makes in FA.

If our financial situation keeps us from upping payroll this offseason, Gonzalez appears to be in the 4 or 5 year, 10-12 mill per, range. Which would basically replace Garza's 10.5 mill salary slot. At 26, if he DOES have frontline capabilities, he's a must-get for us, in my mind.

I'd rather pay the extra $5 million a year to keep Garza.

 

Seriously, that's pretty asinine davell.

[Guest]

Here is an encouraging post from ABTY7 from PSD:

 

Cubs brass has incredibly strong bid in on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez... Unlikely to be outbid- really just a matter of if he wants to be here...

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?829356-2013-Free-Agent-and-Trade-Idea-Thread-5-0/page27

 

I'll be interested in seeing how much he actually signs for versus how much Garza makes in FA.

If our financial situation keeps us from upping payroll this offseason, Gonzalez appears to be in the 4 or 5 year, 10-12 mill per, range. Which would basically replace Garza's 10.5 mill salary slot. At 26, if he DOES have frontline capabilities, he's a must-get for us, in my mind.

I'd rather pay the extra $5 million a year to keep Garza.

 

Did you read that part? Because I sure as hell wouldn't.

[XZero771679666304]

Here is an encouraging post from ABTY7 from PSD:

 

Cubs brass has incredibly strong bid in on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez... Unlikely to be outbid- really just a matter of if he wants to be here...

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?829356-2013-Free-Agent-and-Trade-Idea-Thread-5-0/page27

 

I'll be interested in seeing how much he actually signs for versus how much Garza makes in FA.

If our financial situation keeps us from upping payroll this offseason, Gonzalez appears to be in the 4 or 5 year, 10-12 mill per, range. Which would basically replace Garza's 10.5 mill salary slot. At 26, if he DOES have frontline capabilities, he's a must-get for us, in my mind.

I'd rather pay the extra $5 million a year to keep Garza.

 

If 15MM per keeps Garza, that's great. But I don't think it would.

[SouthSideRyan]

Here is an encouraging post from ABTY7 from PSD:

 

Cubs brass has incredibly strong bid in on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez... Unlikely to be outbid- really just a matter of if he wants to be here...

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?829356-2013-Free-Agent-and-Trade-Idea-Thread-5-0/page27

 

I'll be interested in seeing how much he actually signs for versus how much Garza makes in FA.

If our financial situation keeps us from upping payroll this offseason, Gonzalez appears to be in the 4 or 5 year, 10-12 mill per, range. Which would basically replace Garza's 10.5 mill salary slot. At 26, if he DOES have frontline capabilities, he's a must-get for us, in my mind.

I'd rather pay the extra $5 million a year to keep Garza.

 

Did you read that part? Because I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

Oh, I didn't see Post Count Padder was the actual poster.

[Guest]

Giving Gonzalez that money would signal some combination of 2 things:

 

- That they REALLY like him above and beyond what the reports on his stuff have been, and certainly above what his game performance has been

 

- That the budget for the future seasons is substantially higher than it has been for the last 2

 

I'm finding it very difficult to take even a positive view of Gonzalez the player and a loose interpretation of the financial restrictions the team has, and marry that to the idea of giving Gonzalez 50-60 million dollars.

[Guest]

ABTY:

 

Everyone that has submitted a contract offer has put in strong bids- none 'better' than the Cubs but I'm hearing he's a 'warm weather only' kinda guy... Cubs won't be outbid, might not matter... White Sox submitted 'weakest' offer, thats still something far from insulting by any stretch...

 

Warm weather or not, money may be his thing above all else... Don't know enough about him to definitively say one way or the other... In fact, I'm getting more conflicting info on him than any other player in my three plus years doing this... All were impressed with stuff, all seem to have differ opinions on his preferences...

[Cubswin11]

Is this guy better than Paniagua?

[Guest]

Keith Law was on Waddle and Silvy a bit ago and passed on what he had heard on him(Law hasn't seen him in person):

 

Until last year had an okay fastball with sink, plus slider that would be an out pitch, usable curveball and change.

 

Has added velocity and now works 92-96 while maintaining sink, but there's a variety of potential reasons for that uptick(workout environment, lack of game action, actual improvement, etc)

 

Is thought unlikely to be a top of the rotation guy, but more of a mid-rotation pitcher. Thinks he'll get $40-50 million because he's outside the capped spending.

[jersey cubs fan]

Thinks he'll get $40-50 million because he's outside the capped spending.

 

that's really the key to everything.

[SouthSideRyan]

Is this guy better than Paniagua?

 

If Paniagua was as good as Pedro, I'd prefer him.

[Guest]

Is this guy better than Paniagua?

 

If Paniagua was as good as Pedro, I'd prefer him.

 

Who deserves more ridicule, the guy who made the obvious statement or the guy who responded wrongly to it?

[d_money]

Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows?

[jersey cubs fan]

Is this guy better than Paniagua?

 

If Paniagua was as good as Pedro, I'd prefer him.

 

Who deserves more ridicule, the guy who made the obvious statement or the guy who responded wrongly to it?

 

The guy who made the dumb obvious statement.

[Guest]

Is this guy better than Paniagua?

 

If Paniagua was as good as Pedro, I'd prefer him.

 

Who deserves more ridicule, the guy who made the obvious statement or the guy who responded wrongly to it?

 

The guy who made the dumb obvious statement.

 

Nah. It's not really dumb. There is some talk that Gonzalez may have front line stuff and very little is known about him, especially by people like us. It's worth speculating about, especially after what we have seen with Puig regarding how wrong the media consensus has been and the fact that the people who have watched him know a lot more than we do and have a much better idea of whether he has front line stuff or not. I don't take much issue with what davell said.

[Guest]

ABTY:

 

Everyone that has submitted a contract offer has put in strong bids- none 'better' than the Cubs but I'm hearing he's a 'warm weather only' kinda guy... Cubs won't be outbid, might not matter... White Sox submitted 'weakest' offer, thats still something far from insulting by any stretch...

 

Warm weather or not, money may be his thing above all else... Don't know enough about him to definitively say one way or the other... In fact, I'm getting more conflicting info on him than any other player in my three plus years doing this... All were impressed with stuff, all seem to have differ opinions on his preferences...

 

Chicago is very warm in the summer.

[KingCubsFan]

Here is an encouraging post from ABTY7 from PSD:

 

Cubs brass has incredibly strong bid in on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez... Unlikely to be outbid- really just a matter of if he wants to be here...

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?829356-2013-Free-Agent-and-Trade-Idea-Thread-5-0/page27

 

I'll be interested in seeing how much he actually signs for versus how much Garza makes in FA.

If our financial situation keeps us from upping payroll this offseason, Gonzalez appears to be in the 4 or 5 year, 10-12 mill per, range. Which would basically replace Garza's 10.5 mill salary slot. At 26, if he DOES have frontline capabilities, he's a must-get for us, in my mind.

I'd rather pay the extra $5 million a year to keep Garza.

 

Did you read that part? Because I sure as hell wouldn't.

Given the stats he put up in Cuba, there's probably a less than 5% chance he actually has those capabilities. Even if he's been training for a year to get it up to 96 in a showcase.

[Guest]

Given the stats he put up in Cuba, there's probably a less than 5% chance he actually has those capabilities. Even if he's been training for a year to get it up to 96 in a showcase.

 

I agree with your assessment of his numbers but I'll leave the determination of what that percentage is to the really smart people in our front office who have seen him throw and have to write the check.

[Guest]

And if I didn't know them to be really smart, I wouldn't be saying that. I'm definitely not a "they're working in baseball so they know more than we do" person.

[KingCubsFan]

Given the stats he put up in Cuba, there's probably a less than 5% chance he actually has those capabilities. Even if he's been training for a year to get it up to 96 in a showcase.

 

I agree with your assessment of his numbers but I'll leave the determination of what that percentage is to the really smart people in our front office who have seen him throw and have to write the check.

I agree. The FO obviously has more information, and if they think he's a good investment I'll trust their assessment. But as an outsider, with limited information, I still think the marginal cost of Garza is worth it.

[ctcf]

MLB.com's Peter Gammons was told that the Dodgers are prepared to offer Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez a contract in the five-year, $50 million range, which is expected to be enough to sign him.

"Word is Dodgers will go five years, close to $50 million," a general manager told Gammons. "If so, he'll be a Dodger." Gonzalez, a 26-year-old right-hander, left Cuba earlier this year and was declared a free agent by MLB on Monday. He's expected to be nearly major league-ready but seems unlikely to make an impact this season. The Braves, Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Phillies, Blue Jays, Twins, and Marlins have also been connected to him.

[Tryptamine]

Fine with me. From the little I saw, I wasn't particularly impressed.

[davell]

Dodgers not pursuing Gonzalez, according to Jesse Sanchez.