Random Cubs Musings

[SouthSideRyan]

What moves did Hendry make in 2010 and 2011?

 

The trade for Garza, signed Byrd. Traded DeRosa. Signed Pena. Extended Marmol. Signed Grabow. Traded Bradley. One draft of Simpson, one of Javy.

 

We could certainly have a different look. But with a payroll being lowered yearly, I doubt we'd be contending. But we'd be further along, unless whoever took over tried piecing things together, as Hendry did during that time.

 

DeRosa trade was in '09.

 

That'd be a positive then. As Archer would have been here for the new guys.

 

But Garza wouldn't have been.

 

On the other hand they'd have Robinson Chirinos.

[SouthSideRyan]

What moves did Hendry make in 2010 and 2011?

 

The trade for Garza, signed Byrd. Traded DeRosa. Signed Pena. Extended Marmol. Signed Grabow. Traded Bradley. One draft of Simpson, one of Javy.

 

We could certainly have a different look. But with a payroll being lowered yearly, I doubt we'd be contending. But we'd be further along, unless whoever took over tried piecing things together, as Hendry did during that time.

 

The Ricketts seem to have dragged their feet in regards to pretty much every aspect of the rebuild/renovation. It's unfortunate that there didn't seem to be more urgency on their part.

 

They were green.(still are) Have yet to show they're capable owners. My honest thinking is Tom sold Dad on the fact that even if they lose, it's a cash cow. And thought that the renovations would be an easy money grab. Same with getting money from the city. They thought taking a year or two to "get healthy" would be fine, because once the renovations started, they'd start spending. Since it still hasn't, Dad obviously isn't coming off any funds and the debt structure got out ahead of us. And without extra funds, it stays there.

 

And in the meantime, they get to buy the team for free

[Guest]

And Hak Ju Lee.

[Guest]

On the other hand they'd have Robinson Chirinos.

 

AND HOW

[davell]

What moves did Hendry make in 2010 and 2011?

 

The trade for Garza, signed Byrd. Traded DeRosa. Signed Pena. Extended Marmol. Signed Grabow. Traded Bradley. One draft of Simpson, one of Javy.

 

We could certainly have a different look. But with a payroll being lowered yearly, I doubt we'd be contending. But we'd be further along, unless whoever took over tried piecing things together, as Hendry did during that time.

 

DeRosa trade was in '09.

 

That'd be a positive then. As Archer would have been here for the new guys.

 

But Garza wouldn't have been.

 

On the other hand they'd have Robinson Chirinos.

 

Archer over Garza any day of the week for me.

 

Chirinos is to TT what Vitters is to me.

[davell]

What moves did Hendry make in 2010 and 2011?

 

The trade for Garza, signed Byrd. Traded DeRosa. Signed Pena. Extended Marmol. Signed Grabow. Traded Bradley. One draft of Simpson, one of Javy.

 

We could certainly have a different look. But with a payroll being lowered yearly, I doubt we'd be contending. But we'd be further along, unless whoever took over tried piecing things together, as Hendry did during that time.

 

The Ricketts seem to have dragged their feet in regards to pretty much every aspect of the rebuild/renovation. It's unfortunate that there didn't seem to be more urgency on their part.

 

They were green.(still are) Have yet to show they're capable owners. My honest thinking is Tom sold Dad on the fact that even if they lose, it's a cash cow. And thought that the renovations would be an easy money grab. Same with getting money from the city. They thought taking a year or two to "get healthy" would be fine, because once the renovations started, they'd start spending. Since it still hasn't, Dad obviously isn't coming off any funds and the debt structure got out ahead of us. And without extra funds, it stays there.

 

And in the meantime, they get to buy the team for free

 

Well sure, because Dad is intelligent.

[Lenny]

What moves did Hendry make in 2010 and 2011?

 

The trade for Garza, signed Byrd. Traded DeRosa. Signed Pena. Extended Marmol. Signed Grabow. Traded Bradley. One draft of Simpson, one of Javy.

 

We could certainly have a different look. But with a payroll being lowered yearly, I doubt we'd be contending. But we'd be further along, unless whoever took over tried piecing things together, as Hendry did during that time.

 

The Ricketts seem to have dragged their feet in regards to pretty much every aspect of the rebuild/renovation. It's unfortunate that there didn't seem to be more urgency on their part.

 

They were green.(still are) Have yet to show they're capable owners. My honest thinking is Tom sold Dad on the fact that even if they lose, it's a cash cow. And thought that the renovations would be an easy money grab. Same with getting money from the city. They thought taking a year or two to "get healthy" would be fine, because once the renovations started, they'd start spending. Since it still hasn't, Dad obviously isn't coming off any funds and the debt structure got out ahead of us. And without extra funds, it stays there.

 

And "Dad" Ricketts decided that becoming an outspoken backer of Tea Party politics and throwing money against the Rahm campaign (which he should have known was a fait accompli) all while expecting $300 million in state backed bonds to start the renovation was somehow going to work.

[Lenny]

The St. Louis Blues were part of the 1967 expansion just to be a foil for the Blackhawks. How is that the third most valuable franchise in MLB is now a doormat for a post-industrial, rust-belt, deeply impoverished area like StL? Would the Yankees be allowed to be doormats for the Orioles, year in and year out?

[d_money]

We need to bring Yosh Kawano out of retirement - he'd know what this team needs.

[Illini Iceman]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24564370/the-bobblehead-project-returns-with-a-carlos-zambrano-tantrum

[Guest]

Yikes, Sun-Times.

 

[Thed Hoyerstein]

Yikes, Sun-Times.

 

 

sports media in this town is just awful

[Hairyducked Idiot]

sports media in this town is just awful

 

The Cubs are just awful.

[jersey cubs fan]

don't shoot the messenger

[Andy]

The Cubs deserve to be insulted, but I'll admit not to liking the clear implication that Starlin Castro isn't a WINNAR because the teams he's on have been [expletive].

 

ETA: I'm also probably reading too much into that.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Cubs deserve to be insulted, but I'll admit not to liking the clear implication that Starlin Castro isn't a WINNAR because the teams he's on have been [expletive].

 

ETA: I'm also probably reading too much into that.

 

Read into it what you will, I think it's a pretty clear jab at the powers that be for wasting early quality years of Castro.

[BeerHere]

The Cubs deserve to be insulted, but I'll admit not to liking the clear implication that Starlin Castro isn't a WINNAR because the teams he's on have been [expletive].

 

ETA: I'm also probably reading too much into that.

 

Read into it what you will, I think it's a pretty clear jab at the powers that be for wasting early quality years of Castro.

I read that as more of a jab at Castro than the FO. I'm not sure where you get the FO angle given that picture. That is a stretch, even for you.

[imb]

it's clearly a jab at the cubs FO, but i'd be pissed if i was castro, since he's been one of the only relatively bright spots during this garbage

[SouthSideRyan]

The Cubs deserve to be insulted, but I'll admit not to liking the clear implication that Starlin Castro isn't a WINNAR because the teams he's on have been [expletive].

 

ETA: I'm also probably reading too much into that.

 

Read into it what you will, I think it's a pretty clear jab at the powers that be for wasting early quality years of Castro.

I read that as more of a jab at Castro than the FO. I'm not sure where you get the FO angle given that picture. That is a stretch, even for you.

 

I haven't read the article, but considering it's Wittenmeyer, I'd be shocked if it wasn't about the FO/Ownership

[weis21]

Yeah, it's clearly a FO jab to me. the wording "opposite fields" seems to be speaking to the atmosphere and team around the players. One was a winning culture that won 4 of 5 WS and the other is a pathetic losing culture. The players appear to be evenly represented. (though DEREK JETER himself didn't win 4 of 5 WS. It should read the Yankees won 4 of 5 years to begin Jeter's career)

 

ETA: plus Jeter is pumped and happy and Starlin looks like he's super pissed (instead of some shot of him looking incompetent).

[jersey cubs fan]

The Cubs deserve to be insulted, but I'll admit not to liking the clear implication that Starlin Castro isn't a WINNAR because the teams he's on have been [expletive].

 

ETA: I'm also probably reading too much into that.

 

Read into it what you will, I think it's a pretty clear jab at the powers that be for wasting early quality years of Castro.

I read that as more of a jab at Castro than the FO. I'm not sure where you get the FO angle given that picture. That is a stretch, even for you.

 

Screw you [expletive].

 

It's pretty easy to interpret the story that is being told. The Yankees are a winning organization that win every year and won a lot when their superstar shortstop came into the league and are still winning now. Yankee Stadium is where you go to win. On the opposite field, Wrigley Field, the front office is openly trying to lose as much as possible for several years and there is no pressure from anybody to try and win anytime during Castro's contract. Losing is not just accepted but expected. The Cubs are wasting Castro's value on a stupidly long rebuilding project while the Yankees keep ignoring every call for them to scrap their aging roster and just keep winning.

 

The one thing these organizations have in common right now is that an 85 win season is unacceptable.

[sneakypower]

The one thing these organizations have in common right now is that an 85 win season is unacceptable.

this is ridiculous, even for you

[SouthSideRyan]

Here's the article: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/27550054-573/starlin-castro-cant-imagine-starting-career-like-derek-jeter-did.html#.U3umAvldXT8

 

This is the only thing that's even a passing knock on Castro:

 

But how much losing can a player — even one with All-Star talent — endure and still be prepared to win when it’s time? Would Jeter still be a champion and Hall of Famer if he’d been a Cub? Would Castro be as criticized and occasionally inattentive if he had been a Yankee?

[Guest]

I don't think it really matters how much losing he has to endure in terms of his preparedness for it being "time to win."

 

Does it suck for everyone involved, him and us included? Absolutely.

 

Should it make him less prepared to continue to play well when the rest of his teammates are good too? Not really.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think it really matters how much losing he has to endure in terms of his preparedness for it being "time to win."

 

Does it suck for everyone involved, him and us included? Absolutely.

 

Should it make him less prepared to continue to play well when the rest of his teammates are good too? Not really.

 

It's all well and good to say it shouldn't, but prolonged exposure to excessive losing could very easily have a negative affect on his career.