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I don't know that we so much let Toub go as he was made a great offer by KC and he wanted to move on. So I don't blame Emery for Toub leaving.

 

We let him go. Emery had to let him go after interviewing him for HC position and not giving it to him. I'm not so sure it's such a huge loss. Special team success relies as much on the emphasis placed on it by the people in charge as anything else. Toub was fortunate to work in an organization that did more for special teams work than the offense. Almost from the beginning they were drafting guys like Manning and Hester with a huge emphasis on their return ability instead of what they can do the rest of the time on the field.

 

this is exactly what i was getting at, too. the bears drafted special teams players and it worked relatively well at times but wasn't enough to make them a perennial playoff team. it was to the detriment of the offense because the athletes they were drafting were useless and unusable on the offensive side of the ball.

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I don't know that we so much let Toub go as he was made a great offer by KC and he wanted to move on. So I don't blame Emery for Toub leaving.

 

We let him go. Emery had to let him go after interviewing him for HC position and not giving it to him. I'm not so sure it's such a huge loss. Special team success relies as much on the emphasis placed on it by the people in charge as anything else. Toub was fortunate to work in an organization that did more for special teams work than the offense. Almost from the beginning they were drafting guys like Manning and Hester with a huge emphasis on their return ability instead of what they can do the rest of the time on the field.

I'm with Goony on this one -- return men themselves play a huge role here. It's not surprising that good college returners are so often good NFL returners, and there seems to be a lot of false attribution with respect to Toub.

 

Will Gould suddenly be a terrible kicker now that Toub is gone? Will our punting game suffer? Will Peppers be less likely to block a kick? I don't think so.

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Mike Freeman not a fan of the hire.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21563377/the-bears-hire-of-marc-trestman-puzzling-at-best

 

It's absolutely stunning than an NFL team would hire Trestman. Anyone can rack up huge offensive numbers coaching in Canada. They don't play defense and the field is 700 yards wide. Anyone can coach a team to a Grey Cup. My grandma could coach in the Grey Cup. In fact, I'm pretty sure my grandma has coached in the Grey Cup. Don't get me wrong. I love the CFL. I love Canada. I LOVE CANADA! I just don't believe someone who has been coaching there for five years and out of the NFL for almost twice that time is a solid NFL head coaching hire.

 

The Bears hired Trestman thinking he can fix Jay Cutler when Cutler is unfixable. Cutler always will be up and down, great one minute -- throwing multiple picks the next. Nothing is going to change that. Cutler never will be an elite thrower because his head isn't screwed on right. Unless Trestman is a therapist or hypnotist Cutler will be Cutler.

 

Cutler is a coach killer and Trestman is next up on the chopping block.

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Toub on the radio asked what he thinks of Cutler. Says he's a great, great athlete and needs to get better at leadership skills.

 

 

Also said that a lot of his (head coaching) interview had to do with Jay.

 

haha.

 

"so what's Jay like?"

 

"he's an ok guy, i guess."

 

"did you get to talk to him?"

 

"sometimes"

 

"if Jay were an ice cream flavor, what would it be?"

 

"um, i have to leave"

 

"to go see Jay?"

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I'll take it:

 

@adamjahns: Montreal media member tells me that the first thing Marc Trestman will do is reform the #Bears O-line. He did that immediately in Montreal.
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Mike Freeman not a fan of the hire.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21563377/the-bears-hire-of-marc-trestman-puzzling-at-best

 

It's absolutely stunning than an NFL team would hire Trestman. Anyone can rack up huge offensive numbers coaching in Canada. They don't play defense and the field is 700 yards wide. Anyone can coach a team to a Grey Cup. My grandma could coach in the Grey Cup. In fact, I'm pretty sure my grandma has coached in the Grey Cup. Don't get me wrong. I love the CFL. I love Canada. I LOVE CANADA! I just don't believe someone who has been coaching there for five years and out of the NFL for almost twice that time is a solid NFL head coaching hire.

 

The Bears hired Trestman thinking he can fix Jay Cutler when Cutler is unfixable. Cutler always will be up and down, great one minute -- throwing multiple picks the next. Nothing is going to change that. Cutler never will be an elite thrower because his head isn't screwed on right. Unless Trestman is a therapist or hypnotist Cutler will be Cutler.

 

Cutler is a coach killer and Trestman is next up on the chopping block.

 

I've never even heard of Mike Freeman. A quick google search tells me he was fired from a previous job for lying about having a college degree and was sued for libel by John Daly, lol.

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Is it just me, or is every single CBS sports writer a raging meathead?

 

meatball. if he were a meathead he'd call trestman a little dweeb.

That was kinda how the tone of the article came off. Between Dodd, Parrish, Goodman, Freeman, Judge, and Frisco, it seems like CBS is trying to build a team of sports writers that can beat up other places' sports writers and steal their lunch money.

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I don't know that we so much let Toub go as he was made a great offer by KC and he wanted to move on. So I don't blame Emery for Toub leaving.

 

We let him go. Emery had to let him go after interviewing him for HC position and not giving it to him. I'm not so sure it's such a huge loss. Special team success relies as much on the emphasis placed on it by the people in charge as anything else. Toub was fortunate to work in an organization that did more for special teams work than the offense. Almost from the beginning they were drafting guys like Manning and Hester with a huge emphasis on their return ability instead of what they can do the rest of the time on the field.

I'm with Goony on this one -- return men themselves play a huge role here. It's not surprising that good college returners are so often good NFL returners, and there seems to be a lot of false attribution with respect to Toub.

 

Will Gould suddenly be a terrible kicker now that Toub is gone? Will our punting game suffer? Will Peppers be less likely to block a kick? I don't think so.

 

Yeah I'm not arguing that point. I think ST will be fine.

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I've never even heard of Mike Freeman. A quick google search tells me he was fired from a previous job for lying about having a college degree and was sued for libel by John Daly, lol.

 

Haha! Only found the article cuz Ian Rapoport tweeted about it

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Mike Freeman not a fan of the hire.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21563377/the-bears-hire-of-marc-trestman-puzzling-at-best

 

It's absolutely stunning than an NFL team would hire Trestman. Anyone can rack up huge offensive numbers coaching in Canada. They don't play defense and the field is 700 yards wide. Anyone can coach a team to a Grey Cup. My grandma could coach in the Grey Cup. In fact, I'm pretty sure my grandma has coached in the Grey Cup. Don't get me wrong. I love the CFL. I love Canada. I LOVE CANADA! I just don't believe someone who has been coaching there for five years and out of the NFL for almost twice that time is a solid NFL head coaching hire.

 

The Bears hired Trestman thinking he can fix Jay Cutler when Cutler is unfixable. Cutler always will be up and down, great one minute -- throwing multiple picks the next. Nothing is going to change that. Cutler never will be an elite thrower because his head isn't screwed on right. Unless Trestman is a therapist or hypnotist Cutler will be Cutler.

 

Cutler is a coach killer and Trestman is next up on the chopping block.

 

What a meatball

Magnetic Curses College Ball

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Is it just me, or is every single CBS sports writer a raging meathead?

 

meatball. if he were a meathead he'd call trestman a little dweeb.

That was kinda how the tone of the article came off. Between Dodd, Parrish, Goodman, Freeman, Judge, and Frisco, it seems like CBS is trying to build a team of sports writers that can beat up other places' sports writers and steal their lunch money.

 

according to smack, freeman would steal lunch money and then lie about knowing what lunch money even is.

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I don't know that we so much let Toub go as he was made a great offer by KC and he wanted to move on. So I don't blame Emery for Toub leaving.

 

We let him go. Emery had to let him go after interviewing him for HC position and not giving it to him. I'm not so sure it's such a huge loss. Special team success relies as much on the emphasis placed on it by the people in charge as anything else. Toub was fortunate to work in an organization that did more for special teams work than the offense. Almost from the beginning they were drafting guys like Manning and Hester with a huge emphasis on their return ability instead of what they can do the rest of the time on the field.

I'm with Goony on this one -- return men themselves play a huge role here. It's not surprising that good college returners are so often good NFL returners, and there seems to be a lot of false attribution with respect to Toub.

 

Will Gould suddenly be a terrible kicker now that Toub is gone? Will our punting game suffer? Will Peppers be less likely to block a kick? I don't think so.

 

Yeah I'm not arguing that point. I think ST will be fine.

 

Coverage might be the place where Toub's absence is most visible. I still give Toub credit for the awesome Knox return vs the Packers, despite the penalty.

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I'll take it:

 

@adamjahns: Montreal media member tells me that the first thing Marc Trestman will do is reform the #Bears O-line. He did that immediately in Montreal.

 

The difference is you reform a CFL offensive line simply with the dregs of the football world who can't make it in the NFL. The Bears have been dealing with everybody else's dregs, and their own busts, for a while now. We were told Mike Tice was a wunderkind of an NFL offensive line coach. We were told he would come in here immediately and get results simply by being such a great line coach.

Magnetic Curses College Ball

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Mike Freeman not a fan of the hire.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21563377/the-bears-hire-of-marc-trestman-puzzling-at-best

 

It's absolutely stunning than an NFL team would hire Trestman. Anyone can rack up huge offensive numbers coaching in Canada. They don't play defense and the field is 700 yards wide. Anyone can coach a team to a Grey Cup. My grandma could coach in the Grey Cup. In fact, I'm pretty sure my grandma has coached in the Grey Cup. Don't get me wrong. I love the CFL. I love Canada. I LOVE CANADA! I just don't believe someone who has been coaching there for five years and out of the NFL for almost twice that time is a solid NFL head coaching hire.

 

The Bears hired Trestman thinking he can fix Jay Cutler when Cutler is unfixable. Cutler always will be up and down, great one minute -- throwing multiple picks the next. Nothing is going to change that. Cutler never will be an elite thrower because his head isn't screwed on right. Unless Trestman is a therapist or hypnotist Cutler will be Cutler.

 

Cutler is a coach killer and Trestman is next up on the chopping block.

 

What a meatball

 

he pretty much hit on all of the meatball things except for calling for ditka to be rehired.

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I'll take it:

 

@adamjahns: Montreal media member tells me that the first thing Marc Trestman will do is reform the #Bears O-line. He did that immediately in Montreal.

 

The difference is you reform a CFL offensive line simply with the dregs of the football world who can't make it in the NFL. The Bears have been dealing with everybody else's dregs, and their own busts, for a while now. We were told Mike Tice was a wunderkind of an NFL offensive line coach. We were told he would come in here immediately and get results simply by being such a great line coach.

You're projecting quite a bit here. At least they're bluntly aware of the real offensive issue at this time.

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Mike Freeman not a fan of the hire.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21563377/the-bears-hire-of-marc-trestman-puzzling-at-best

 

It's absolutely stunning than an NFL team would hire Trestman. Anyone can rack up huge offensive numbers coaching in Canada. They don't play defense and the field is 700 yards wide. Anyone can coach a team to a Grey Cup. My grandma could coach in the Grey Cup. In fact, I'm pretty sure my grandma has coached in the Grey Cup. Don't get me wrong. I love the CFL. I love Canada. I LOVE CANADA! I just don't believe someone who has been coaching there for five years and out of the NFL for almost twice that time is a solid NFL head coaching hire.

 

The Bears hired Trestman thinking he can fix Jay Cutler when Cutler is unfixable. Cutler always will be up and down, great one minute -- throwing multiple picks the next. Nothing is going to change that. Cutler never will be an elite thrower because his head isn't screwed on right. Unless Trestman is a therapist or hypnotist Cutler will be Cutler.

 

Cutler is a coach killer and Trestman is next up on the chopping block.

 

What a meatball

 

he pretty much hit on all of the meatball things except for calling for ditka to be rehired.

I'm pretty sure he just tried to pick a fight with Canada.

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I'll take it:

 

@adamjahns: Montreal media member tells me that the first thing Marc Trestman will do is reform the #Bears O-line. He did that immediately in Montreal.

 

The difference is you reform a CFL offensive line simply with the dregs of the football world who can't make it in the NFL. The Bears have been dealing with everybody else's dregs, and their own busts, for a while now. We were told Mike Tice was a wunderkind of an NFL offensive line coach. We were told he would come in here immediately and get results simply by being such a great line coach.

You're projecting quite a bit here. At least they're bluntly aware of the real offensive issue at this time.

The offense has had two real issues for years: oline + scheme. They're certainly going to change the scheme. It's good that they're going to focus on the other.

 

Obviously, we'll have to wait to judge the results of each change.

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@MaioccoCSN

 

When I think of Marc Trestman, I think of William "Bar None" Floyd: "Trestman is a twist between Bill Walsh and Einstein." Then...

 

@MaioccoCSN

 

After Eddie D fired Trestman ("He's gone!"), Floyd said, "Well, a lot of people didn't know what Einstein was talking about, either."

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