The 2012 Offseason Thread

[davell]

Yeah, he said Garza, Marmol, and Russell were all involved, as were Olt and Leonys Martin. He had listed what our lineup would have looked like, post-deadline. I figure one or two of Holland, Perez, and Buckel would have been involved as well, but he didn't list what the rotation could have looked like.

[Guest]

Yeah, he said Garza, Marmol, and Russell were all involved, as were Olt and Leonys Martin. He had listed what our lineup would have looked like, post-deadline. I figure one or two of Holland, Perez, and Buckel would have been involved as well, but he didn't list what the rotation could have looked like.

I cant imagine they'd have included Holland with Olt. That would have been sick.

[Splendid Splinter]

Yeah, he said Garza, Marmol, and Russell were all involved, as were Olt and Leonys Martin. He had listed what our lineup would have looked like, post-deadline. I figure one or two of Holland, Perez, and Buckel would have been involved as well, but he didn't list what the rotation could have looked like.

I cant imagine they'd have included Holland with Olt. That would have been sick.

 

 

For trading Garza, Marmol, and Russell? I don't think it would've been Holland, but I can see both Perez/Buckel along with Olt and Martin. Heck it could be even more than that for those 3.

[Clem Fandango]

Yeah, he said Garza, Marmol, and Russell were all involved, as were Olt and Leonys Martin. He had listed what our lineup would have looked like, post-deadline. I figure one or two of Holland, Perez, and Buckel would have been involved as well, but he didn't list what the rotation could have looked like.

 

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[Sammy Sofa]

Jesus [expletive] Christ, don't tell me these things.

[Clem Fandango]

According to CBS Sports' Danny Knobler, the Tigers are "taking calls" on left-hander Drew Smyly.

The Tigers seem committed to trading either Smyly or right-handed starter Rick Porcello this offseason. Smyly, 23, posted a solid 3.99 ERA, 1.27 WHIP and 94/33 K/BB ratio across 99 1/3 innings this past year for Detroit. He seems likely to attract interest from multiple clubs.

 

Want.

[Guest]

i don't know why they would trade him, but that would be awesome. we're due for one of these big moves where we trade for a high ceiling guy who is close to major league ready.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

According to CBS Sports' Danny Knobler, the Tigers are "taking calls" on left-hander Drew Smyly.

The Tigers seem committed to trading either Smyly or right-handed starter Rick Porcello this offseason. Smyly, 23, posted a solid 3.99 ERA, 1.27 WHIP and 94/33 K/BB ratio across 99 1/3 innings this past year for Detroit. He seems likely to attract interest from multiple clubs.

 

Want.

 

MLBTraderumors was reporting yesterday that the Cubs had called the Tigers but the teams didn't have a "fit" for such a trade.

[Little Slide Rooter]

According to CBS Sports' Danny Knobler, the Tigers are "taking calls" on left-hander Drew Smyly.

The Tigers seem committed to trading either Smyly or right-handed starter Rick Porcello this offseason. Smyly, 23, posted a solid 3.99 ERA, 1.27 WHIP and 94/33 K/BB ratio across 99 1/3 innings this past year for Detroit. He seems likely to attract interest from multiple clubs.

 

Want.

 

MLBTraderumors was reporting yesterday that the Cubs had called the Tigers but the teams didn't have a "fit" for such a trade.

 

Or maybe they're just pissed that we jacked Sanchez' price tag from $48MM to $80MM.

[Schwarber Fan]

Watching SportsCenter as they talk about all the FA signings and offseason moves and I'm getting so depressed that the Cubs haven't done a damn thing. It'd be nice to have just ONE semi-big name addition to look forward to. That's what makes the Haren and Sanchez fails so brutal I suppose... cmon Hoyerstein...

[Banedon]

Dodgers shopping Ethier per Rosenthal and Mark Feinsand.

[Rob]

Dodgers shopping Ethier per Rosenthal and Mark Feinsand.

 

Paaaaaaaasssssssssss

[Little Slide Rooter]

Watching SportsCenter as they talk about all the FA signings and offseason moves and I'm getting so depressed that the Cubs haven't done a damn thing. It'd be nice to have just ONE semi-big name addition to look forward to. That's what makes the Haren and Sanchez fails so brutal I suppose... cmon Hoyerstein...

 

It's rather boring, maybe a bit frustrating, but of the remaining big name free agents, such as Marcum, Jackson, Bourn, and Swisher, there hasn't been a lot of word on them. There's been some Jackson/Padres and Swisher/Indians chatter, but nothing close to concrete. This suggests that there are a lot of interested teams, and we may very well be one of them, especially in regards to Jackson and Bourn, with whom we've been linked earlier in the offseason.

[Cubswin11]

Dodgers shopping Ethier per Rosenthal and Mark Feinsand.

Presumably to make room for Puig? I could see an Ethier Lee/Pederson and maybe an extra prospect or cash to the Rangers for Olt. Seems to be a fit for both teams, Rangers need an OF bat, Dodgers need a 3B.

[SouthSideRyan]

According to CBS Sports' Danny Knobler, the Tigers are "taking calls" on left-hander Drew Smyly.

The Tigers seem committed to trading either Smyly or right-handed starter Rick Porcello this offseason. Smyly, 23, posted a solid 3.99 ERA, 1.27 WHIP and 94/33 K/BB ratio across 99 1/3 innings this past year for Detroit. He seems likely to attract interest from multiple clubs.

 

Want.

 

Yeah, trading for an actual good Tigers pitcher would be much preferrable.

[SABR Gamer]

According to CBS Sports' Danny Knobler, the Tigers are "taking calls" on left-hander Drew Smyly.

The Tigers seem committed to trading either Smyly or right-handed starter Rick Porcello this offseason. Smyly, 23, posted a solid 3.99 ERA, 1.27 WHIP and 94/33 K/BB ratio across 99 1/3 innings this past year for Detroit. He seems likely to attract interest from multiple clubs.

 

Want.

 

Yeah, trading for an actual good Tigers pitcher would be much preferrable.

 

Maybe he ment Smyly, not Porcello? He could be pretty good.

[neely crenshaw]

what could we possibly send them to have them even consider a deal?

They seem pretty set in the OF and at DH, so Soriano's out.

Sending Garza doesn't make sense for them, a guy who is 3 years out from arbitration for a free agent to be in what is currently a 6 man staff.

I'm sure they're looking for prospects but wouldn't that go against everything we have tried to do to beef up our system?

 

It would be a nice piece though

[neely crenshaw]

What is the down side of micheal bourn, other than having Boras as an agent? seems to be pretty steady at a high 200's ba with a .340-.350 ob%.

too expensive, or too long a deal?

Upton is gone now and not much else out there. It would/could return DeJesus to RF which helps defensively in both spots. If we could swing a deal for Soriano then the platoon of Scheirholtz and Sappelt could move there.

Also any chance that the bat migration from Texas helps a Soriano for Olt deal, or do they(texas) hope he is ready to pick up some of the loss from the young/napoli losses.

It seems like one of the only ways we can move an asset and not get markedly worse for this year.

[Tryptamine]

What is the down side of micheal bourn, other than having Boras as an agent? seems to be pretty steady at a high 200's ba with a .340-.350 ob%.

too expensive, or too long a deal?

Upton is gone now and not much else out there. It would/could return DeJesus to RF which helps defensively in both spots. If we could swing a deal for Soriano then the platoon of Scheirholtz and Sappelt could move there.

Also any chance that the bat migration from Texas helps a Soriano for Olt deal, or do they(texas) hope he is ready to pick up some of the loss from the young/napoli losses.

It seems like one of the only ways we can move an asset and not get markedly worse for this year.

 

Already older and depends almost entirely on his speed to provide his value.

[neely crenshaw]

Probably no chance we could get for a 2-3 year deal. At 29 I could 2 years of value but I'm sure Boras is looking for a big payday of many years.

[mul21]

what could we possibly send them to have them even consider a deal?

They seem pretty set in the OF and at DH, so Soriano's out.

Sending Garza doesn't make sense for them, a guy who is 3 years out from arbitration for a free agent to be in what is currently a 6 man staff.

I'm sure they're looking for prospects but wouldn't that go against everything we have tried to do to beef up our system?

 

It would be a nice piece though

 

No. One of the most important parts of building a strong system is to turn prospects into players who are good you can use now.

[neely crenshaw]

That doesn't seem to be the MO right now. They seem to be stockpiling prospects for that type of use further down the road, when adding a piece could put us over the top.

It would make sense but I haven't seen them do it or even heard serious rumors about that type of move. Also I am not sure we have added the type of prospects that would garner that trade unless it was Soler. Which seems out of the picture.

I don't see Detroit taking a gamble on prospects with health issues for this type of pitcher.

We were in a situation (up against the deadline) where we needed to get as much talent for our assets as possible and had to gamble on some upside. Detroit is a WS contender that doesn't need to deal if they don't want to. So they hold more of the cards.

[Clem Fandango]

According to CBS Sports' Danny Knobler, the Tigers are "taking calls" on left-hander Drew Smyly.

The Tigers seem committed to trading either Smyly or right-handed starter Rick Porcello this offseason. Smyly, 23, posted a solid 3.99 ERA, 1.27 WHIP and 94/33 K/BB ratio across 99 1/3 innings this past year for Detroit. He seems likely to attract interest from multiple clubs.

 

Want.

 

Yeah, trading for an actual good Tigers pitcher would be much preferrable.

 

Maybe he ment Smyly, not Porcello? He could be pretty good.

 

That whole post was about Smyly. Also, we probably won't land anything from Detroit, I just want Drew Smyly.

Edited December 18, 2012 by The Logan

[jersey cubs fan]

That doesn't seem to be the MO right now. They seem to be stockpiling prospects for that type of use further down the road, when adding a piece could put us over the top.

It would make sense but I haven't seen them do it or even heard serious rumors about that type of move. Also I am not sure we have added the type of prospects that would garner that trade unless it was Soler. Which seems out of the picture.

I don't see Detroit taking a gamble on prospects with health issues for this type of pitcher.

We were in a situation (up against the deadline) where we needed to get as much talent for our assets as possible and had to gamble on some upside. Detroit is a WS contender that doesn't need to deal if they don't want to. So they hold more of the cards.

 

It hasn't happened yet, but that doesn't mean it can't happen at any time.

 

Also, something to consider is that a very large number of their prospects are still leftovers from the Hendry regime, and not necessarily Epstein/Hoyer/McLeod guys, and that includes a number of guys who would fit into most people's top ten breakdown of the Cubs system. I have to imagine they would not be too hesitant to deal away any number of guys they inherited, who may still be rated relatively highly by many others but might not be respected much by this regime.

[neely crenshaw]

The sad part is that Porcello is probably more attainable, I would be shocked to see them move Smyly instead of Porcello. Smyly is the only lefty, has better stats and has less service time than Porcello. Since they don't have a pressing need at the major league level, I just don't know why they wouldn't move Porcello for whatever the best offer was, or just hang him in long relief/spot starter to cover injuries.