Cubs exploring Giancarlo Stanton's availability

[toonsterwu]

It's scary how well the Cards match up to make a Stanton deal. Better than the Rangers easily.

 

It's really a fabulous matchup if both sides wanted it. The Cardinals could offer Taveras as a near future replacement, plus Shelby Miller or Trevor Rosenthal, and then go with their 2nd tier guys to fill in the gaps.

 

That said, still makes more sense for the Fish to hold onto him for one more year, if only as a drawing attraction (but also because it buys them time to assess how their young core of guys in A+/AA do in the next year).

Wait, so the Cards trade two prospects and second tier guys, while we have to trade Shark (involving 3rd team), Rizzo, Baez and Vizcaino?

 

I'm not sure whether people are underrating our own assets or overrating others.

 

I'm just absolutely befuddled where you got the idea that I even suggested that. I joined this conversation on page 4, starting with

 

I have my doubts on any of this Stanton talk this year. It seems awfully unlikely, to put together, at this late stage, the multiple team package needed that would convince the Marlins to make the move.

 

I do agree with davell in that if they did try hard, though, I doubt they would move Rizzo/Castro in any deal. It seems far more likely that, if they are doing this, and this is still speculation at best (and supposedly other teams are trying as well), that the intent would be to add a key piece to the core of Rizzo/Castro.

 

To say that we can't make a deal without Rizzo/Castro is ... debatable. The Marlins are building a nice core of guys that are going to be in that A+/AA range. Baez would be the top piece, and then after that, you would almost assuredly move either Samardzija or Garza for more pieces (if not both ... they did add rotation depth this winter). I can easily see this FO having no qualms to deal Baez in the next couple years, in all honesty, particularly if they believe they are selling at a high point. Say you get a hypothetical Olt package from the Rangers and another top prospect. That, plus Baez almost certainly gets us in the game, and after that, you hope that a level of quantity gets you over the top. The biggest issue in any deal would be the ability for the Cubs to get some high ceiling pitching, as there seems to be little chance the Marlins make this move unless they get a complete package of pitching and positional assets.

 

Of course, there's two flip side points to be made. As great as Stanton is, I would question whether or not the Cubs would be better off, in such a hypothetical scenario, to keep, say, an Olt package and whatever pitching they can acquire. The secondary issue is that there seems to be teams that would be a better fit by themselves, with the Mariners coming to mind (they have been searching for offense all winter, and they do have enough quality at the top).

 

Anyhow, I have high doubts that this (that Stanton gets moved) happens, at least, as it pertains to the Cubs. If a team swooped in like the Mariners, offering a big package of prospects by themselves, then perhaps. And I completely forgot that the Rangers could be in the mix, and considering their offseason, this may be the type of deal that would get them to budge on Profar.

 

The Olt suggestion was due to another post talking about it, but even then, that's two top prospects, and even then, I noted that the Cubs may be better off simply keeping such a package, if it was feasible.

 

I have no idea where you have twice gotten the impression that I suggested a Shark/Baez/Vizcaino/Rizzo package.

 

Edit: At most, I suggested three top prospects, but those that know my feelings on the Rangers pitching know that I think their pitching prospects are overhyped right now, including Buckel.

Edited January 2, 2013 by toonsterwu

[Guest]

Sorry, confusing posts in the thread. You've clearly said that you think it would be a bit too much.

 

There's a great many in the thread that seem to be saying they'd take that without hesitating.

[seanimal]

That said, still makes more sense for the Fish to hold onto him for one more year, if only as a drawing attraction

 

lol

[davell]

ABTY mentioned we're trying to use Atlanta as a 3rd team.

[rawaction]

ABTY mentioned we're trying to use Atlanta as a 3rd team.

 

I have no idea how this trade would possibly work. But man, if the Cubs can pull off Stanton, this would be a very fun season.

[davell]

ABTY mentioned we're trying to use Atlanta as a 3rd team.

 

I have no idea how this trade would possibly work. But man, if the Cubs can pull off Stanton, this would be a very fun season.

My first reaction was Shark for Delgado and Teheran, flipping them to Miami, as part of the deal.

[A New Era]

ABTY mentioned we're trying to use Atlanta as a 3rd team.

 

I have no idea how this trade would possibly work. But man, if the Cubs can pull off Stanton, this would be a very fun season.

 

Fun season? How bout fun decade.

[ShawonOmeter12]

am i the only one who would just prefer to make all the "side moves" that would be nesecary to get stanton and stop there? it will take an unreal haul for him so i would just like to load up and stop there and hope we hit on a few of them. will any of the prospects turn out as good as stanton, no, but if half of them turn into quality major leaguers i think that would help us more then just stanton. i know we are a big market we should be able to buy the rest of the players if we get stanton but i just dont think it is wise to trade what will probably be the mother load of prospects it will take to get him

[Guest]

am i the only one who would just prefer to make all the "side moves" that would be nesecary to get stanton and stop there? it will take an unreal haul for him so i would just like to load up and stop there and hope we hit on a few of them. will any of the prospects turn out as good as stanton, no, but if half of them turn into quality major leaguers i think that would help us more then just stanton. i know we are a big market we should be able to buy the rest of the players if we get stanton but i just dont think it is wise to trade what will probably be the mother load of prospects it will take to get him

No. It's like dry humping your girlfriend and her dad walks in.

 

Wait for it.

[Splendid Splinter]

ABTY mentioned we're trying to use Atlanta as a 3rd team.

 

I have no idea how this trade would possibly work. But man, if the Cubs can pull off Stanton, this would be a very fun season.

My first reaction was Shark for Delgado and Teheran, flipping them to Miami, as part of the deal.

 

If it was Shark for those two, I hope Cubs keep one of them and trade the other to Miami. Rizzo/Baez/Delgado or Teheran is a pretty good start IMO, then you throw in the mid levels (Villanueva or Amaya???) /risky high upsides (Vizcaino or Maples???) and you're in the ballpark for Stanton.

[seanimal]

am i the only one who would just prefer to make all the "side moves" that would be nesecary to get stanton and stop there? it will take an unreal haul for him so i would just like to load up and stop there and hope we hit on a few of them. will any of the prospects turn out as good as stanton, no, but if half of them turn into quality major leaguers i think that would help us more then just stanton. i know we are a big market we should be able to buy the rest of the players if we get stanton but i just dont think it is wise to trade what will probably be the mother load of prospects it will take to get him

No. It's like dry humping your girlfriend and her dad walks in.

 

Wait for it.

 

umm this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

[CubInOK]

nesecary

[ShawonOmeter12]

nesecary

 

sorry grammar police, i was typing while trying to feed my kid. btw thanks for adding anything of substance to this thread.

[CubInOK]

nesecary

 

sorry grammar police, i was typing while trying to feed my kid. btw thanks for adding anything of substance to this thread.

Posts with opinions like "I would rather not have cyborg-werewolf amalgams on my team because I like having prospects that are 2 years away from the bigs," aren't very smart opinions.

[ShawonOmeter12]

nesecary

 

sorry grammar police, i was typing while trying to feed my kid. btw thanks for adding anything of substance to this thread.

Posts with opinions like "I would rather not have cyborg-werewolf amalgams on my team because I like having prospects that are 2 years away from the bigs," aren't very smart opinions.

 

yes it is so far out there to think that keeping potentially rizzo, baez, teheran, delgado, vizcaino and others could be better then stanton. funny thing is i never said others opinions were wrong just that in my opinion i would rather keep the huge amount of talent it would take to get him. thanks for informing me though that my opinion isnt very smart. maybe we all should just be silent and let only you post since only your opinion has value to a message board.

[NonProfitCow]

mother load

This is fun.

[seanimal]

is a nesecary something like an apothecary?

[ShawonOmeter12]

mother load

This is fun.

 

glad i could entertain you. there is a reason why this board has basically become a little cult of about 15-20 posters, instead of discussions it has turned into a big dick contest between a few people while others just like to rip others opinions. carry on fellas...

[JoshiQ]

mother load

This is fun.

 

glad i could entertain you. there is a reason why this board has basically become a little cult of about 15-20 posters, instead of discussions it has turned into a big dick contest between a few people while others just like to rip others opinions. carry on fellas...

 

The two people that quoted your typos would not be considered part of the cult of 15-20 posters that are most well known around here.

[Tracer Bullet]

And....scene. let's drop it folks

[Ivy.n.Denver]

mother load

This is fun.

 

glad i could entertain you. there is a reason why this board has basically become a little cult of about 15-20 posters, instead of discussions it has turned into a big dick contest between a few people while others just like to rip others opinions. carry on fellas...

 

 

Agreed

 

I rarely post because of the arrogance and lack of civility on this site.

 

Message board anonymity is the equivalent to beer muscles.

[Sammy Sofa]

But I'm a 25-year-old powerlifter.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Anonymity is weak. How can you make everything about you if people don't know who you are?

[jersey cubs fan]

http://deadspin.com/5973026/internet-commenters-should-probably-stop-trying-to-trade-for-giancarlo-stanton

[MWV]

"Blocked by Nate McLouth" is my favorite.