Cubs exploring Giancarlo Stanton's availability

[Tryptamine]

I have to imagine a Cub package starts with Baez and Samardzija.

[Clem Fandango]

For some reason I saw this and thought this was new information and I freaked out. Ugh. This isn't gonna happen. If we're gonna salvage our most valuable assets, I'd prefer to salvage them for multiple useful players instead of just one, even though that one is super awesome.

[Guest]

i would do samardzija/baez/plus, no problem

[Tryptamine]

i would do samardzija/baez/plus, no problem

 

So would I, but ABTY said Marlins have no interest in Samardzija which pretty much eliminates us from being able to make a deal.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I have to imagine a Cub package starts with Baez and Samardzija.

 

And ends with either a lot more or a dial tone.

[A New Era]

The marlins don't want shark. What is the marlins owner? Greedy bastard. What is shark becoming soon? expensive. Probably don't have enough with what we CAN trade now. I'm not even advocating this but. Rizzo is the only MLB player that still has enough years of control left for a cheap owner so. .

 

Rizzo, Baez, Vogelbach, Maples, Vizciano, ++. You'd have to overwhelm them with a quantity package. I'd rather just let our minor's perculate for another year, alot of break out candidates, and persue a big trade next year.

[Sammy Sofa]

I have to imagine a Cub package starts with Baez and Samardzija.

 

And ends with either a lot more or a dial tone.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Guest]

I'm hoping Florida holds him for another season. He'll be cheaper to acquire and the cubs will have more pieces 12 months from now.

[rawaction]

I'm hoping Florida holds him for another season. He'll be cheaper to acquire and the cubs will have more pieces 12 months from now.

Yep.

[illiniguy]

I'm hoping Florida holds him for another season. He'll be cheaper to acquire and the cubs will have more pieces 12 months from now.

I think they pretty much have to hold on to him. If they move him now for prospects I could see Selig having to step in and veto a trade. Maybe not though.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Selig's not vetoing any trades. That's why he blustered so hard the last time Miami dumped, to try to intimidate them. Because he's not really going to stop them.

[davell]

ABTY says we're trying to put together a "hard to say no to" type package for Stanton. Could involve us trading SP for prospects in 3-4 team deals.

[Guest]

ABTY says we're trying to put together a "hard to say no to" type package for Stanton. Could involve us trading SP for prospects in 3-4 team deals.

 

Cubs have put together a significant package to present to Miami (have yet to discuss name with team)... View this as a 'once in a generation' opportunity and are determined to 'make it difficult for Miami to say no'... Have done exploratory work on potential three and four team opportunities, possibly flipping MLB SP for prospects as well...

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?p=24936962#post24936962

[javy knows my name]

ABTY says we're trying to put together a "hard to say no to" type package for Stanton. Could involve us trading SP for prospects in 3-4 team deals.

 

Cubs have put together a significant package to present to Miami (have yet to discuss name with team)... View this as a 'once in a generation' opportunity and are determined to 'make it difficult for Miami to say no'... Have done exploratory work on potential three and four team opportunities, possibly flipping MLB SP for prospects as well...

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?p=24936962#post24936962

 

This is pretty interesting. Really curious as to who the FO thinks is worth more in trade than to the club. The obvious one is Baez - consensus top Cubs prospect, all projection, defense concerns with a raw plate approach who may not be coachable. Reports that they'd need another team involved to deal Samardzija make him a lock in this scenario. Then who? The timing isn't right to deal Jackson/Vitters as they are probably undervalued after their appearances last year. Vizcaino? Selling really low. Garza? Same. Barney might be a good sell-high inclusion. Does Baez, Samardzija and Barney from us get Stanton? I'd be kinda surprised, unless the third team goes crazy for Samardzija.

[Guest]

ABTY says we're trying to put together a "hard to say no to" type package for Stanton. Could involve us trading SP for prospects in 3-4 team deals.

 

Cubs have put together a significant package to present to Miami (have yet to discuss name with team)... View this as a 'once in a generation' opportunity and are determined to 'make it difficult for Miami to say no'... Have done exploratory work on potential three and four team opportunities, possibly flipping MLB SP for prospects as well...

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?p=24936962#post24936962

 

This is pretty interesting. Really curious as to who the FO thinks is worth more in trade than to the club. The obvious one is Baez - consensus top Cubs prospect, all projection, defense concerns with a raw plate approach who may not be coachable. Reports that they'd need another team involved to deal Samardzija make him a lock in this scenario. Then who? The timing isn't right to deal Jackson/Vitters as they are probably undervalued after their appearances last year. Vizcaino? Selling really low. Garza? Same. Barney might be a good sell-high inclusion. Does Baez, Samardzija and Barney from us get Stanton? I'd be kinda surprised, unless the third team goes crazy for Samardzija.

 

Rizzo?

 

Maybe they could get Olt for Garza and include him?

[javy knows my name]

ABTY says we're trying to put together a "hard to say no to" type package for Stanton. Could involve us trading SP for prospects in 3-4 team deals.

 

Cubs have put together a significant package to present to Miami (have yet to discuss name with team)... View this as a 'once in a generation' opportunity and are determined to 'make it difficult for Miami to say no'... Have done exploratory work on potential three and four team opportunities, possibly flipping MLB SP for prospects as well...

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?p=24936962#post24936962

 

This is pretty interesting. Really curious as to who the FO thinks is worth more in trade than to the club. The obvious one is Baez - consensus top Cubs prospect, all projection, defense concerns with a raw plate approach who may not be coachable. Reports that they'd need another team involved to deal Samardzija make him a lock in this scenario. Then who? The timing isn't right to deal Jackson/Vitters as they are probably undervalued after their appearances last year. Vizcaino? Selling really low. Garza? Same. Barney might be a good sell-high inclusion. Does Baez, Samardzija and Barney from us get Stanton? I'd be kinda surprised, unless the third team goes crazy for Samardzija.

 

Rizzo?

 

Maybe they could get Olt for Garza and include him?

 

I think if they could do that now, they'd have him. I suppose trading Rizzo is a possibility, since he plays a position that's easy to fill with offense. I'm afraid they may overvalue his makeup relative to the rest of baseball, though.

[davell]

I don't see the FO dealing Rizzo, or Castro, for that matter. But, say you can deal Shark to Seattle for Hultzen and Franklin, then flip them, along with Baez, either Vogelback or Candelario, and either Jackson or Vitters, maybe you're in the ballpark?

[Splendid Splinter]

I don't see the FO dealing Rizzo, or Castro, for that matter. But, say you can deal Shark to Seattle for Hultzen and Franklin, then flip them, along with Baez, either Vogelback or Candelario, and either Jackson or Vitters, maybe you're in the ballpark?

 

Didn't someone (ABTY7 maybe??) say Marlins were looking for more pitching? I wanna say somebody said that at PSD. If that's the case, I could see that Shark trade and the package around:

 

Baez

Hultzen

another Seattle SP prospect (instead of Franklin)

Vogelbach

Maples or whatever Cubs SP prospect they like or maybe Travis Wood?

 

 

I could also see a Soriano or DeJesus trade for a SP prospect that would be in the package.

[Vanilla Ice]

soooooo plan:

 

trade shark to seattle for hultzen/franklin or whatever

trade DeJesus for a prospect

trade new prospects, baez, vogelbach, and maples for stanton?

sign bourn

 

Castillo

Rizzo

Barney

Castro

Valbuena

Soriano

Bourn

Stanton

 

Jackson

Garza

Baker

Feldman

Villanueva

 

yeah, thatd be pretty sweet

[toonsterwu]

I have my doubts on any of this Stanton talk this year. It seems awfully unlikely, to put together, at this late stage, the multiple team package needed that would convince the Marlins to make the move.

 

I do agree with davell in that if they did try hard, though, I doubt they would move Rizzo/Castro in any deal. It seems far more likely that, if they are doing this, and this is still speculation at best (and supposedly other teams are trying as well), that the intent would be to add a key piece to the core of Rizzo/Castro.

 

To say that we can't make a deal without Rizzo/Castro is ... debatable. The Marlins are building a nice core of guys that are going to be in that A+/AA range. Baez would be the top piece, and then after that, you would almost assuredly move either Samardzija or Garza for more pieces (if not both ... they did add rotation depth this winter). I can easily see this FO having no qualms to deal Baez in the next couple years, in all honesty, particularly if they believe they are selling at a high point. Say you get a hypothetical Olt package from the Rangers and another top prospect. That, plus Baez almost certainly gets us in the game, and after that, you hope that a level of quantity gets you over the top. The biggest issue in any deal would be the ability for the Cubs to get some high ceiling pitching, as there seems to be little chance the Marlins make this move unless they get a complete package of pitching and positional assets.

 

Of course, there's two flip side points to be made. As great as Stanton is, I would question whether or not the Cubs would be better off, in such a hypothetical scenario, to keep, say, an Olt package and whatever pitching they can acquire. The secondary issue is that there seems to be teams that would be a better fit by themselves, with the Mariners coming to mind (they have been searching for offense all winter, and they do have enough quality at the top).

 

Anyhow, I have high doubts that this (that Stanton gets moved) happens, at least, as it pertains to the Cubs. If a team swooped in like the Mariners, offering a big package of prospects by themselves, then perhaps. And I completely forgot that the Rangers could be in the mix, and considering their offseason, this may be the type of deal that would get them to budge on Profar.

Edited January 2, 2013 by toonsterwu

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The question to "who are the Cubs offering" should be pretty close to "whoever the eff the Marlins want."

[toonsterwu]

In case it gets lost in my post, I really would want to ask why people think that the Mariners would help us get Stanton when they have been searching for offense this winter (and reportedly have contacted the Marlins about it). This is a team that supposedly pondered Hamilton. They've got the high end, upper level pitching talent to potentially make a straight up deal (not saying it's likely, just saying that their chances of making a straight up deal seem far higher than ours because of Walker/Hultzen).

[toonsterwu]

The question to "who are the Cubs offering" should be pretty close to "whoever the eff the Marlins want."

 

Sure, I agree with the general idea that, barring a ridiculous demand, that even giving up Castro for Stanton makes sense from a value perspective ... but organizationally, I find it unlikely that they are thinking about swapping out key pieces of the core AND top prospects. Rizzo's a more debatable case because of his position, but in general, it seems far more likely, at least to me, that for the FO to consider this, they are considering the concept of adding Stanton to a core of Rizzo/Castro. Could be way off, though.

[davell]

Texas is extremely unlikely to help us in getting Stanton. They've supposedly got a Profar-led package on the table themselves. While it was just reported Seattle hss had conversations with the Marlins, my guess is they wouldn't mind helping us, because it'd keep Stanton out of their division.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I mean, sure, you approach them about a non-Rizzo/Castro package first.

 

But as soon as they say "We have to have one of them" you say "Yes, sir!"

 

Heck, I'd bite my tongue really hard and probably say yes if they insisted on both.

Edited January 2, 2013 by Hairyducked Idiot