Brett Jackson

[jersey cubs fan]

I recall that when he was drafted his strikeout rate was brought up as a killer. His high BABIP created excitement, but obviously at this level the strikeouts will devour the rest of his game.

 

the phrasing I seem to recall is he did everything well, except for trouble making contact, which Cubs people insisted they could fix.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I recall that when he was drafted his strikeout rate was brought up as a killer. His high BABIP created excitement, but obviously at this level the strikeouts will devour the rest of his game.

 

the phrasing I seem to recall is he did everything well, except for trouble making contact, which Cubs people insisted they could fix.

 

I'm reminded of that Sports Night scene where one of the anchors keeps lauding all the personal and professional characteristics of a recently cut kicker, while the other just keeps rebutting with "Can't kick."

[Bryants Disco Ball]

You didn't know BJax was ranked that highly? I'm shocked a cubs fan that posts on this board so frequently could miss that info

 

I thought his ranking dropped. But I don't check rankings that often.

 

Then your post about him not being lauded by anyone other than Cubs fans was just lazy on your part. You can do better.

[Soul]

I recall that when he was drafted his strikeout rate was brought up as a killer. His high BABIP created excitement, but obviously at this level the strikeouts will devour the rest of his game.

 

the phrasing I seem to recall is he did everything well, except for trouble making contact, which Cubs people insisted they could fix.

 

and so far, nope. not fixed.

[SABR Gamer]

You didn't know BJax was ranked that highly? I'm shocked a cubs fan that posts on this board so frequently could miss that info

 

To be fair, most mid-season prospect rankings had dropped Brett entirely from the top 100, so C.C. is kind of right since we were talking about where he was rated "most recently."

Edited August 8, 2012 by New York Cubs Fan

[C.C.]

You didn't know BJax was ranked that highly? I'm shocked a cubs fan that posts on this board so frequently could miss that info

 

I thought his ranking dropped. But I don't check rankings that often.

 

Then your post about him not being lauded by anyone other than Cubs fans was just lazy on your part. You can do better.

 

nope. Read the other posts. They did drop him recently. So I wasn't wrong. Plus, you don't have to look at rankings to see players stats.

 

 

 

Edit: And I expect a apology on the lazy part.

[cubweiser03]

Didn't take him long to get his first golden sombrero. Probably a MLB record for quickest to acquire one.

[Clem Fandango]

Brett Jackson striking out a lot is old hat. He's gonna strike out, and the Cubs know that. Gonna have to deal with it while I'm sure they attempt to work with him. They're not just gonna bring him up, watch him strike out a lot, and say "You'll get 'em next time". They're gonna work with him and try and fix it. Maybe they wanted him to get MLB level coaching since AAA clearly wasn't doing much for him.

 

I'm still curious to know how many of Brett's strikeouts this season were the result of working the count and getting behind vs. swinging at bad pitches. He's clearly got the ability to hit (49 XBH this season in 109 games vs. 48 in 115 games in 2011), his production numbers have been on line to match his output from last season... I just question if a majority of his strikeouts were the result of being overmatched in a 2-strike count while he tried to work it in his favor. He's a been known to be a patient hitter, he takes pitches and likely waits for one he can handle. I'm wondering if his patience, combined with an inability to react to a 2-strike pitch, has lead to a sharp increase in strikeouts.

[lumafia]

His issues have to be mechanical. It's hard to understand how a guy can square a ball up as often as he has and strike out as much as he has. If someone wants to post a video, or link to a video, I would like to take a look at his swing to see if anything stands out.

[C.C.]

Brett Jackson striking out a lot is old hat. He's gonna strike out, and the Cubs know that. Gonna have to deal with it while I'm sure they attempt to work with him. They're not just gonna bring him up, watch him strike out a lot, and say "You'll get 'em next time". They're gonna work with him and try and fix it. Maybe they wanted him to get MLB level coaching since AAA clearly wasn't doing much for him.

 

I'm still curious to know how many of Brett's strikeouts this season were the result of working the count and getting behind vs. swinging at bad pitches. He's clearly got the ability to hit (49 XBH this season in 109 games vs. 48 in 115 games in 2011), his production numbers have been on line to match his output from last season... I just question if a majority of his strikeouts were the result of being overmatched in a 2-strike count while he tried to work it in his favor. He's a been known to be a patient hitter, he takes pitches and likely waits for one he can handle. I'm wondering if his patience, combined with an inability to react to a 2-strike pitch, has lead to a sharp increase in strikeouts.

 

2012 - 158K Games 148 (so far)

2011 - 138K Games 115

2010 - 126K Games 128

[Tracer Bullet]

You didn't know BJax was ranked that highly? I'm shocked a cubs fan that posts on this board so frequently could miss that info

 

To be fair, most mid-season prospect rankings had dropped Brett entirely from the top 100, so C.C. is kind of right since we were talking about where he was rated "most recently."

 

CC had no idea he'd been ranked #32 as of the start of this year. He also had no idea where he'd been ranked mid-season. The complete lack of knowledge was the point of the post.

[C.C.]

You didn't know BJax was ranked that highly? I'm shocked a cubs fan that posts on this board so frequently could miss that info

 

To be fair, most mid-season prospect rankings had dropped Brett entirely from the top 100, so C.C. is kind of right since we were talking about where he was rated "most recently."

 

CC had no idea he'd been ranked #32 as of the start of this year. He also had no idea where he'd been ranked mid-season. The complete lack of knowledge was the point of the post.

 

So what? Do you have to know a player ranking to judge them? Why do you put so much faith in what BA ranks a player?

[Warpticon]

You didn't know BJax was ranked that highly? I'm shocked a cubs fan that posts on this board so frequently could miss that info

 

To be fair, most mid-season prospect rankings had dropped Brett entirely from the top 100, so C.C. is kind of right since we were talking about where he was rated "most recently."

 

CC had no idea he'd been ranked #32 as of the start of this year. He also had no idea where he'd been ranked mid-season. The complete lack of knowledge was the point of the post.

 

So what? Do you have to know a player ranking to judge them? Why do you put so much faith in what BA ranks a player?

 

It has less to do with the specific ranking and more with you saying false things because you don't know what you're talking about.

[C.C.]

You didn't know BJax was ranked that highly? I'm shocked a cubs fan that posts on this board so frequently could miss that info

 

To be fair, most mid-season prospect rankings had dropped Brett entirely from the top 100, so C.C. is kind of right since we were talking about where he was rated "most recently."

 

CC had no idea he'd been ranked #32 as of the start of this year. He also had no idea where he'd been ranked mid-season. The complete lack of knowledge was the point of the post.

 

So what? Do you have to know a player ranking to judge them? Why do you put so much faith in what BA ranks a player?

 

It has less to do with the specific ranking and more with you saying false things because you don't know what you're talking about.

 

What did I say that was false?

[CubColtPacer]

Brett Jackson striking out a lot is old hat. He's gonna strike out, and the Cubs know that. Gonna have to deal with it while I'm sure they attempt to work with him. They're not just gonna bring him up, watch him strike out a lot, and say "You'll get 'em next time". They're gonna work with him and try and fix it. Maybe they wanted him to get MLB level coaching since AAA clearly wasn't doing much for him.

 

I'm still curious to know how many of Brett's strikeouts this season were the result of working the count and getting behind vs. swinging at bad pitches. He's clearly got the ability to hit (49 XBH this season in 109 games vs. 48 in 115 games in 2011), his production numbers have been on line to match his output from last season... I just question if a majority of his strikeouts were the result of being overmatched in a 2-strike count while he tried to work it in his favor. He's a been known to be a patient hitter, he takes pitches and likely waits for one he can handle. I'm wondering if his patience, combined with an inability to react to a 2-strike pitch, has lead to a sharp increase in strikeouts.

 

2012 - 158K Games 148 (so far)

2011 - 138K Games 115

2010 - 126K Games 128

 

Jackson has only played 109 games this year, and he has 166 K's between AAA and the majors. That changes the comparison significantly.

 

Here are his strikeout rates at all the full season leagues:

 

A-25.0%

High A-20.1%

Double A-24.2%

Triple A-32.5%

 

So it really skyrocketed when he hit AAA. And he was even worse this season than it was in his half season last year.

[Clem Fandango]

Brett Jackson striking out a lot is old hat. He's gonna strike out, and the Cubs know that. Gonna have to deal with it while I'm sure they attempt to work with him. They're not just gonna bring him up, watch him strike out a lot, and say "You'll get 'em next time". They're gonna work with him and try and fix it. Maybe they wanted him to get MLB level coaching since AAA clearly wasn't doing much for him.

 

I'm still curious to know how many of Brett's strikeouts this season were the result of working the count and getting behind vs. swinging at bad pitches. He's clearly got the ability to hit (49 XBH this season in 109 games vs. 48 in 115 games in 2011), his production numbers have been on line to match his output from last season... I just question if a majority of his strikeouts were the result of being overmatched in a 2-strike count while he tried to work it in his favor. He's a been known to be a patient hitter, he takes pitches and likely waits for one he can handle. I'm wondering if his patience, combined with an inability to react to a 2-strike pitch, has lead to a sharp increase in strikeouts.

 

2012 - 158K Games 148 (so far)

2011 - 138K Games 115

2010 - 126K Games 128

 

1) I'm well aware of his strikeout numbers

 

2) He's only played in 106 games this season in AAA with 158K's, not 148. Where did you get that number?

[C.C.]

Brett Jackson striking out a lot is old hat. He's gonna strike out, and the Cubs know that. Gonna have to deal with it while I'm sure they attempt to work with him. They're not just gonna bring him up, watch him strike out a lot, and say "You'll get 'em next time". They're gonna work with him and try and fix it. Maybe they wanted him to get MLB level coaching since AAA clearly wasn't doing much for him.

 

I'm still curious to know how many of Brett's strikeouts this season were the result of working the count and getting behind vs. swinging at bad pitches. He's clearly got the ability to hit (49 XBH this season in 109 games vs. 48 in 115 games in 2011), his production numbers have been on line to match his output from last season... I just question if a majority of his strikeouts were the result of being overmatched in a 2-strike count while he tried to work it in his favor. He's a been known to be a patient hitter, he takes pitches and likely waits for one he can handle. I'm wondering if his patience, combined with an inability to react to a 2-strike pitch, has lead to a sharp increase in strikeouts.

 

2012 - 158K Games 148 (so far)

2011 - 138K Games 115

2010 - 126K Games 128

 

Jackson has only played 109 games this year. That changes the comparison significantly.

 

Here are his strikeout rates at all the full season leagues:

 

A-25.0%

High A-20.1%

Double A-24.2%

Triple A-32.5%

 

So it really skyrocketed when he hit AAA. And he was even worse this season than it was in his half season last year.

 

I read the stat 2012 wrong. I combined the last part of 2011. Duh.

 

So it goes up when he faces better competition. Isn't that worrisome?

[Warpticon]

It has less to do with the specific ranking and more with you saying false things because you don't know what you're talking about.

 

What did I say that was false?

 

At this point it might be easier to list what you said that wasn't. And I wouldn't hang my hat on being kind of technically right, on accident, once, either.

[C.C.]

It has less to do with the specific ranking and more with you saying false things because you don't know what you're talking about.

 

What did I say that was false?

 

At this point it might be easier to list what you said that wasn't. And I wouldn't hang my hat on being kind of technically right, on accident, once, either.

 

Whatever the case his K rate is going up per year. Is him being in the MLB going to fix that? We'll see...

[Tracer Bullet]

What did I say that was false?

 

He wasn't lauded. Well, only by Cubs fans.

[Theo]

Just give him his apology and he'll go away.

[CubColtPacer]

Brett Jackson striking out a lot is old hat. He's gonna strike out, and the Cubs know that. Gonna have to deal with it while I'm sure they attempt to work with him. They're not just gonna bring him up, watch him strike out a lot, and say "You'll get 'em next time". They're gonna work with him and try and fix it. Maybe they wanted him to get MLB level coaching since AAA clearly wasn't doing much for him.

 

I'm still curious to know how many of Brett's strikeouts this season were the result of working the count and getting behind vs. swinging at bad pitches. He's clearly got the ability to hit (49 XBH this season in 109 games vs. 48 in 115 games in 2011), his production numbers have been on line to match his output from last season... I just question if a majority of his strikeouts were the result of being overmatched in a 2-strike count while he tried to work it in his favor. He's a been known to be a patient hitter, he takes pitches and likely waits for one he can handle. I'm wondering if his patience, combined with an inability to react to a 2-strike pitch, has lead to a sharp increase in strikeouts.

 

2012 - 158K Games 148 (so far)

2011 - 138K Games 115

2010 - 126K Games 128

 

Jackson has only played 109 games this year. That changes the comparison significantly.

 

Here are his strikeout rates at all the full season leagues:

 

A-25.0%

High A-20.1%

Double A-24.2%

Triple A-32.5%

 

So it really skyrocketed when he hit AAA. And he was even worse this season than it was in his half season last year.

 

I read the stat 2012 wrong. I combined the last part of 2011. Duh.

 

So it goes up when he faces better competition. Isn't that worrisome?

 

Absolutely it is. But it's also unusual (and very unusual to keep being so productive despite it) which is why people were speculating it would normalize out after a larger sample size. That's why even after his half season at AAA last year, he was still ranked high-it was seen as a fluke. And that's why he's still seen as a decent prospect now, because nobody quite knows why it suddenly spiked or if something can be fixed that will take him back to being a high but not crazy high strikeout player.

[C.C.]

Good god. It's a pissy comment is all.

[C.C.]

 

Absolutely it is. But it's also unusual (and very unusual to keep being so productive despite it) which is why people were speculating it would normalize out after a larger sample size. That's why even after his half season at AAA last year, he was still ranked high-it was seen as a fluke. And that's why he's still seen as a decent prospect now, because nobody quite knows why it suddenly spiked or if something can be fixed that will take him back to being a high but not crazy high strikeout player.

 

Well said, but if it was seen as a fluke last year, I hope it still just a fluke this year.

[imb]

im totally an untrained idiot, but jackson's swing looks so good to me. maybe they want sveum to work his rizzo magic on him at the big league level.

 

jackson doesn't do himself any favors in the K department by getting into all those deep counts. If he could get to where he was making more contact, he'd be pretty deadly in the pitch count department.