Random Baseball Musings

[Guest]

Giancarlo Stanton has multiple facial fractures, dental damage and laceration that required stitches.

 

Ugh.

 

Seriously I hope this doesn't mess him up in the head.

 

 

I know he was a lot older but I swear Sammy was never the same after he got nailed. IIRC, he was still awesome Sammy before that (SSS). When he came back, it seemed like he started standing a foot further off the plate than he used to.

[chuckywang]

After Reed Johnson got hit and "stuck out", I wouldn't have cared if it was intentional or not. I'd be in a rage too.

[Derwood]

I haven't seen the clip, and now I really hope I never do

 

EDIT: Not 5 minutes later, I see it. Oh well

[Vinestal]

I haven't seen the clip, and now I really hope I never do

 

EDIT: Not 5 minutes later, I see it. Oh well

It was actually less graphic than I had expected. There was no blood visible. You can see where the ball hit his face but you didn't get an idea of how bad it was until the aftermath and when they showed him on the ambulance cart on the way the field and the swelling and blood had set in. I hope he comes back quickly and is the same player but this type of thing tends to change the player and his approach at the plate. They are going to have to rebuild his face and then he's going to have to face the phycological challenge of getting back into the batters box with the memory of having his face crushed in the back of his mind.

[Derwood]

I haven't seen the clip, and now I really hope I never do

 

EDIT: Not 5 minutes later, I see it. Oh well

It was actually less graphic than I had expected. There was no blood visible. You can see where the ball hit his face but you didn't get an idea of how bad it was until the aftermath and when they showed him on the ambulance cart on the way the field and the swelling and blood had set in. I hope he comes back quickly and is the same player but this type of thing tends to change the player and his approach at the plate. They are going to have to rebuild his face and then he's going to have to face the phycological challenge of getting back into the batters box with the memory of having his face crushed in the back of his mind.

 

You see blood pouring from his face as he's laying on the ground

[Vinestal]

I haven't seen the clip, and now I really hope I never do

 

EDIT: Not 5 minutes later, I see it. Oh well

It was actually less graphic than I had expected. There was no blood visible. You can see where the ball hit his face but you didn't get an idea of how bad it was until the aftermath and when they showed him on the ambulance cart on the way the field and the swelling and blood had set in. I hope he comes back quickly and is the same player but this type of thing tends to change the player and his approach at the plate. They are going to have to rebuild his face and then he's going to have to face the phycological challenge of getting back into the batters box with the memory of having his face crushed in the back of his mind.

 

You see blood pouring from his face as he's laying on the ground

Ack! Glad I missed that

[Andy]

Giancarlo Stanton has multiple facial fractures, dental damage and laceration that required stitches.

 

Ugh.

 

Seriously I hope this doesn't mess him up in the head.

 

 

I know he was a lot older but I swear Sammy was never the same after he got nailed. IIRC, he was still awesome Sammy before that (SSS). When he came back, it seemed like he started standing a foot further off the plate than he used to.

He wasn't exactly ripping it up immediately prior to getting hit, but Jason Heyward has never been as good as he was in 2012 after getting hit in the face, either.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

david is a cylon

[abuck1220]

i'm sorry but unless you think there was intent, it makes no sense to me.

 

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6ht47A6s11qc073co1_400.gif

 

lol didn't say there'd be no emotion. it just wouldn't be anger.

 

 

let's not be careless here or anything.

 

in nsbb's ongoing competition to be the most sophisticated fan, you have taken the lead. i mean, everyone knows by now that complaining about such trivial matters as "wins" and "losses" is beneath the refined fan. but now we also know that only neanderthal savages get upset when their best player gets hit in the face and then the next guy almost also gets hit in the face. HOW UNCOUTH.

[Guest]

Johnson didn't almost get hit in the face, come on. It was such a reckless pitch that he got himself called out because he swung at it. I don't begrudge the Marlins for being chippy about it, but the lunacy that McGehee put on display was just that. If you can't check yourself enough to stop and think that there's obviously no intent involved, especially with the Johnson pitch, you have a problem. Anyone could see that Fiers was visibly upset about the Stanton pitch, and even in arguing with the Marlins after the Johnson pitch he was more put off that they were accusing him rather than making some macho statement.

[Pushfrog98]

david is a cylon

Frakking skin jockey.

[George Hayduke]

Johnson didn't almost get hit in the face, come on. It was such a reckless pitch that he got himself called out because he swung at it. I don't begrudge the Marlins for being chippy about it, but the lunacy that McGehee put on display was just that. If you can't check yourself enough to stop and think that there's obviously no intent involved, especially with the Johnson pitch, you have a problem. Anyone could see that Fiers was visibly upset about the Stanton pitch, and even in arguing with the Marlins after the Johnson pitch he was more put off that they were accusing him rather than making some macho statement.

IMO Johnson didn't really offer at the pitch, which is a big part of the reason why they were so pissed at the umps. Same with Stanton. I mean, TECHNICALLY his bat did break the plane of the plate in a forward motion, but only because he was tying to turn his body outside to get out of the way, he wasn't actually offering at the pitch. Obviously with both guys you can make the argument that they were swings at it, but to me it's not like he was taking a legitimate cut at the ball that hit him in the face. Same with Johnson. That was Redmond's argument: "Fiers' fastballs keep sailing at our guys faces and you're calling strikes when they turn their bodies (and hence the bat) to try to get out of the way. That's BS."

 

I do think Fiers was acting like a dick after beaning two guys in a row, even though it wasn't intentional.

 

And the pitch to Johnson was at his shoulders, so I think that's close enough to say "almost at the face".

[George Hayduke]

Side question related to the Stanton/Johnson situation: Stanton got charged with the strikeout for that at bat. In those types of situations, would the player who begins the at bat always be charged with the result (even if Johnson had taken over on say an 0-1 count) or is there some discretion by the scorekeeper? What if Johnson had gotten a hit, would that have been credited to Stanton as well?

 

Edit: Nevermind, found the answer. The batter who gets the hit or out is charged with it UNLESS it is a strikeout and there are already two strikes when the batter takes over (as in the Stanton/Johnson case). Interesting.

Edited September 12, 2014 by George Hayduke

[snoodmonger]

Johnson didn't almost get hit in the face, come on. It was such a reckless pitch that he got himself called out because he swung at it. I don't begrudge the Marlins for being chippy about it, but the lunacy that McGehee put on display was just that. If you can't check yourself enough to stop and think that there's obviously no intent involved, especially with the Johnson pitch, you have a problem. Anyone could see that Fiers was visibly upset about the Stanton pitch, and even in arguing with the Marlins after the Johnson pitch he was more put off that they were accusing him rather than making some macho statement.

 

 

Part of the Marlins complaint was likely that, regardless of intent, for two straight pitches Fiers had not demonstrated the ability to pitch inside without putting the ball near someone's head. If you can't do that, then quit pitching inside. You can argue, the day after as a fan, that that's not fair, but it's completely understandable why someone might feel that way. (A few years back a Cubs pitcher hit like 4 batters in the first few innings vs Pittsburg, I think, and they were pissed, even though it was obviously unintentional.) And Fiers' reaction was gasoline on the fire.

[Guest]

i'm sorry but unless you think there was intent, it makes no sense to me.

 

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6ht47A6s11qc073co1_400.gif

 

lol didn't say there'd be no emotion. it just wouldn't be anger.

 

 

let's not be careless here or anything.

 

in nsbb's ongoing competition to be the most sophisticated fan, you have taken the lead. i mean, everyone knows by now that complaining about such trivial matters as "wins" and "losses" is beneath the refined fan. but now we also know that only neanderthal savages get upset when their best player gets hit in the face and then the next guy almost also gets hit in the face. HOW UNCOUTH.

 

lol go [expletive] yourself

[Guest]

david is a cylon

 

i don't even know what this is

[Guest]

Johnson didn't almost get hit in the face, come on. It was such a reckless pitch that he got himself called out because he swung at it. I don't begrudge the Marlins for being chippy about it, but the lunacy that McGehee put on display was just that. If you can't check yourself enough to stop and think that there's obviously no intent involved, especially with the Johnson pitch, you have a problem. Anyone could see that Fiers was visibly upset about the Stanton pitch, and even in arguing with the Marlins after the Johnson pitch he was more put off that they were accusing him rather than making some macho statement.

IMO Johnson didn't really offer at the pitch, which is a big part of the reason why they were so pissed at the umps. Same with Stanton. I mean, TECHNICALLY his bat did break the plane of the plate in a forward motion, but only because he was tying to turn his body outside to get out of the way, he wasn't actually offering at the pitch. Obviously with both guys you can make the argument that they were swings at it, but to me it's not like he was taking a legitimate cut at the ball that hit him in the face. Same with Johnson. That was Redmond's argument: "Fiers' fastballs keep sailing at our guys faces and you're calling strikes when they turn their bodies (and hence the bat) to try to get out of the way. That's BS."

 

I do think Fiers was acting like a dick after beaning two guys in a row, even though it wasn't intentional.

 

And the pitch to Johnson was at his shoulders, so I think that's close enough to say "almost at the face".

 

I can see the argument that Johnson didn't swing(the fact that it's even arguable mitigates how furious you should reasonably be about the pitch, IMO), but Stanton absolutely swung. It sucks for them, but in both cases if you feel they offered it has to be a strike. In either case though, there's a reason you don't see that happen all the time, and it's because the natural reaction to a fastball that's moving up and in is not to pull your left shoulder and expose your face/chest.

[Guest]

Johnson didn't almost get hit in the face, come on. It was such a reckless pitch that he got himself called out because he swung at it. I don't begrudge the Marlins for being chippy about it, but the lunacy that McGehee put on display was just that. If you can't check yourself enough to stop and think that there's obviously no intent involved, especially with the Johnson pitch, you have a problem. Anyone could see that Fiers was visibly upset about the Stanton pitch, and even in arguing with the Marlins after the Johnson pitch he was more put off that they were accusing him rather than making some macho statement.

 

 

Part of the Marlins complaint was likely that, regardless of intent, for two straight pitches Fiers had not demonstrated the ability to pitch inside without putting the ball near someone's head. If you can't do that, then quit pitching inside. You can argue, the day after as a fan, that that's not fair, but it's completely understandable why someone might feel that way. (A few years back a Cubs pitcher hit like 4 batters in the first few innings vs Pittsburg, I think, and they were pissed, even though it was obviously unintentional.) And Fiers' reaction was gasoline on the fire.

 

To be clear, I'm not saying the Marlins should have just golf-clapped and carried on, I get why they would be salty about that happening the way it did. I'm saying that the over the top reaction(McGehee) was just dumb, and also that you kinda lose a little moral ground to complain about pitches up and in when you swing at them.

[George Hayduke]

Johnson didn't almost get hit in the face, come on. It was such a reckless pitch that he got himself called out because he swung at it. I don't begrudge the Marlins for being chippy about it, but the lunacy that McGehee put on display was just that. If you can't check yourself enough to stop and think that there's obviously no intent involved, especially with the Johnson pitch, you have a problem. Anyone could see that Fiers was visibly upset about the Stanton pitch, and even in arguing with the Marlins after the Johnson pitch he was more put off that they were accusing him rather than making some macho statement.

IMO Johnson didn't really offer at the pitch, which is a big part of the reason why they were so pissed at the umps. Same with Stanton. I mean, TECHNICALLY his bat did break the plane of the plate in a forward motion, but only because he was tying to turn his body outside to get out of the way, he wasn't actually offering at the pitch. Obviously with both guys you can make the argument that they were swings at it, but to me it's not like he was taking a legitimate cut at the ball that hit him in the face. Same with Johnson. That was Redmond's argument: "Fiers' fastballs keep sailing at our guys faces and you're calling strikes when they turn their bodies (and hence the bat) to try to get out of the way. That's BS."

 

I do think Fiers was acting like a dick after beaning two guys in a row, even though it wasn't intentional.

 

And the pitch to Johnson was at his shoulders, so I think that's close enough to say "almost at the face".

 

I can see the argument that Johnson didn't swing(the fact that it's even arguable mitigates how furious you should reasonably be about the pitch, IMO), but Stanton absolutely swung. It sucks for them, but in both cases if you feel they offered it has to be a strike. In either case though, there's a reason you don't see that happen all the time, and it's because the natural reaction to a fastball that's moving up and in is not to pull your left shoulder and expose your face/chest.

I think there's a reasonable argument that Stanton had committed to the pitch, but I tend to think it was more like, his momentum had started forward with his stride, so when he realized it was coming at him, he couldn't make any real effort to stop the bat but rather was focused on trying to turn out the way. So to me it's kind of like, was that a swing AT THE PITCH (ie, he offered at it) or was it just incidental to his body movement to get out the way? Judgement call I guess. Same with Johnson, to a lesser degree though, I really don't think he offered at all.

 

I guess if your body's momentum is going forward, your natural reaction would be to move in whater the fastest out of the way direction would be, which in that case would seem to be head down, body continuing outward. With no forward momentum, you'd probably turn inward with your back towards the pitch, which is what you see most often.

[Sammy Sofa]

Of all the reactions I have encountered in my travels, David snapping over being called a robot was the most...human.

[abuck1220]

i'm sorry but unless you think there was intent, it makes no sense to me.

 

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6ht47A6s11qc073co1_400.gif

 

lol didn't say there'd be no emotion. it just wouldn't be anger.

 

 

let's not be careless here or anything.

 

in nsbb's ongoing competition to be the most sophisticated fan, you have taken the lead. i mean, everyone knows by now that complaining about such trivial matters as "wins" and "losses" is beneath the refined fan. but now we also know that only neanderthal savages get upset when their best player gets hit in the face and then the next guy almost also gets hit in the face. HOW UNCOUTH.

 

lol go [expletive] yourself

 

ok well that's certainly not very refined.

[Banedon]

Of all the reactions I have encountered in my travels, David snapping over being called a robot was the most...human.

 

http://media.giphy.com/media/b4anBgSZSyq1G/giphy.gif

[ScrubMD]

Good news everybody, abuck has found a way to tie this into the Cubs rebuild. I was getting worried.

[Banedon]

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[SouthSideRyan]

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We should honor him at the 00s homestand.